Men....ugh.

I have to crumb on my species today.

Men are meatheads.

I was in line at Target and in front of me was a guy with a 2/3 year old kid.

At firt I could not see the child, but cfould hear her fussing about wanting candy.

The dad was doing his best to ignore her and he began to talk to the cashier, who I didn't notice was HUGELY preggers!

The guy was frazzled because I heard him ask the young gal, "Is this your first one?" She smiled and replied, "Yes!"

This idiot goes into a spiel about how nice it is when you first have them and how badly it turns out as the get older.
I thought, "----, what an idiot...." I looked at the gal and she just got a real sour look on her face......

When he finished the transaction and began to walk away, I told the gal, "He's wrong. As they get older, you become a better parent."

Her face lit up and she whispered to me, 'I like that idea better...'

I don't have kids- and I refuse to use that stupid line "That I know of...."
It's just really amazing how stupid men are when it comes to taking of kids.

Yes, there are wonderful dads out there, but god, I end up seeing most of the idiots out there..:(:rolleyes:

That is sad. It seems parents are becoming less and less interested in their own children. It isn't just men Richard. There are plenty of bad moms out there too.

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Originally Posted by happylabs

That is sad. It seems parents are becoming less and less interested in their own children. It isn't just men Richard. There are plenty of bad moms out there too.

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Yuppers....gotta agree with that one.

Absolutely!!!

This reminds me of a corporate dinner that I attended and I was sitting across from a man who loudly proclaimed that his son was a disappointment to him and that it's ok b/c he was sure that he was a disappointment to his son, too. I said "Why? He's a good kid! He's an honor student, a champion swimmer, doesn't get into trouble, etc...." and he said "He got older. We like babies".

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Originally Posted by Medusa

"He got older. We like babies".

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Hey, that sounds like people and dogs:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by happylabs

That is sad. It seems parents are becoming less and less interested in their own children. It isn't just men Richard. There are plenty of bad moms out there too.

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And believe me at my job I see it all the time. Why just the other day a woman ordered 2 alcholic drinks for her two young kids and sat them in front of her (I KNOW she ordered them for the kids because I heard her say "I ordered this for you" as I walked away!). The boy couldn't have been more than 6 and the girl maybe 15:rolleyes: I just don't understand why people have kids...oh yeah because they choose not to use protection:mad:

I rarely do this, but :rolleyes:. I wish people could learn to use those large brains we were either endowed with or evolved.

When we had the discussion of children my soon to be ex would say that he already had 2 more kids than he could stand. And he would proclaim this in front of his kids quite often, you could see the hurt register in the little kid faces.

So I have no kids and now that would seem to be a blessing.

I was way too young to have kids (23). I was very immature and now (hind sight, I know) I realize I should've waited till I was AT LEAST 30 before I got married. I don't ever regret my daughter Amy. She is the love of my life and soul.

But you know, there are two sides to this discussion.
Most of everyone here are probably in their 30's, 40's, 50's...and me....I'm 61.
When I grew up things were very different. Mums stayed at home and looked after the kids, we went for bike rides, built billy carts, caught and tortured tadpoles....stuff like that. And I believe it has shaped the way we are, the way we think, and our expectations of what is correct or incorrect in raising children based on our own upbringings.

What happens these days ???? Most mothers work....either to pay off that mortgage of their dream home, or just as common....they have to work because they are divorced (divorce didn't happen when we were young as much as nowadays). So what happens to the kids ????
Instead of going for a bike ride, they sit in their room with a playstation because mum and dad are too busy making ends meet, or mum is at the bar trying to find a suitable partner. The kids are not allowed out for their bike ride because of the ever increasing dangers within current society.
School holidays come along, and off they go to childcare centres or nannies or whatever....or if they are older, they are left to fend for themselves.
The children of today are VERY different from the children of our day, and naturally they view the world VERY differently than we did.

I'm not saying that Richards view of that idiot in the supermarket is wrong, what I am saying is .....just maybe the supermarket guy is partly right.
Maybe he has had the experience of other children that may be siblings of the baby he was holding, and has had trouble with them....well.....not trouble, but differences. Maybe he sees the kids next door running around the neighbourhood placing cherry bombs in everyones letterbox because there is simply no one there to guide them. Perhaps his expectations of how children should be, may be based on what his own childhood experiences were.

I know of parents that are almost faultless in raising their children, but their children have turned into real AH's (sorry Karen), so just maybe proper parenting isn't the issue here.....we all try our best in raising kids, I guess I have been lucky because I have three wonderful and very highly educated daughters......some people I know who are like me have children that are exactly the opposite. Being a good parent does not necessarily ensure that you have a good child....it helps.....but it doesn't always work out that way.

I wonder what differences the future holds. When we have all passed on.
How will children be raised then ???? I would think a lot different than nowadays, as much difference as it is now to our own younger days.
The world is changing folks, it always has, and it always will.
That's my thoughts anyway, for what it's worth........and I quote Smokey, we evolve !!!!!
Wom

I have seen women and men equally offend in this matter.

At least these days, if the couple splits and the father WANTS custody, he has a shot at getting it, I have friend who were put in foster care and an orphanage because when their parents split and mother didn't want the kids, the court refused to give them to the dad because he worked, and wouldn't be home all day - even though the kids were school-aged.

I was more irked that he was dismissive of the child, "No, you don't want any candy...." as opposed to speaking to her and explaining why she was not getting any.

His comments about her being pregnant for the first time and the kids 'getting worse' as they grow older was just plain insensitive.

Here's a gal that's probably excited about having a kid, and this knucklehead makes her feel badly.

I know that kids are a handful - I just thought his comments weren't polite.:confused:

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Originally Posted by Karen

the court refused to give them to the dad because he worked, and wouldn't be home all day - even though the kids were school-aged.

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That wouldn't happen here.

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

I was more irked that he was dismissive of the child, "No, you don't want any candy...." as opposed to speaking to her and explaining why she was not getting any.

His comments about her being pregnant for the first time and the kids 'getting worse' as they grow older was just plain insensitive.

Here's a gal that's probably excited about having a kid, and this knucklehead makes her feel badly.

I know that kids are a handful - I just thought his comments weren't polite.:confused:

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I wasn't there. I can share with you that sometimes child can get a little, uh, whiny, when it comes to candy. Maybe he knows that engaging in dialogue only gives reason for the child to continue? I know with J, a stern, "no, we are not getting candy today" one time and no further acknowledgment, works better than explaning several times.

Many people of both genders have to work today. They have to work for different reasons, or <gasp> cause they like to. Women have made huge advancements in terms of education, employment and social equality, if you will. 50 years ago, it was, IMO, a bleaker life for women. They either stayed home with their children or took on traditional "female" roles (nursing or teaching). Often times, these women elected not to have children. Good for them, if that is what they wanted.

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Originally Posted by wombat2u2004

That wouldn't happen here.

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I believe Karen is referring to the way it used to be. Not currently.

"Men" who say that children are the 'worst thing that can happen from sex', have no idea what they are missing.

I cannot put into words what my daughter makes me feel. Love without end, fear, worry, joy....

I understand what a privilidge it is to be entrusted with raising a soul. Said that so many others don't.

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Originally Posted by Puckstop31

"Men" who say that children are the 'worst thing that can happen from sex', have no idea what they are missing.

I cannot put into words what my daughter makes me feel. Love without end, fear, worry, joy....

I understand what a privilidge it is to be entrusted with raising a soul. Said that so many others don't.

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You made my point.

I probably have no right to have commented on the conversation that I heard...I understand that this dude was probably not in a good mood about the situation.

I know enough about human nature and raising kids to know that it may have been a 'bad day' for him? But, how can you dimiss your kid by telling them 'no' in a cranky manner, and in almost the same sentence, make someone feel that a life changing event for them is nothing but a PITA?

I understand there are different sides to this story, but I do feel that his comments were rude and uncalled for.

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IT would be like having someone walk up to you and your Toyota and saying something like, "Hey your car has a dangerously sticky gas pedal!":confused::rolleyes:;)