Vermont has just legalized same sex marriage! :) It's a step toward the future!
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Vermont has just legalized same sex marriage! :) It's a step toward the future!
I saw this earlier....How awesome! I'm very excited.
Personally I dont see why a gay or straight couple would want a government stamp on their relationship.
The government stamp on their relationship gives them more equal rights to things like visiting each other in the hospital, inheritance issues, benefits and coverage.
That, as well as the emotional satisfaction of feeling like full citizens.
I am glad Vermont is joining us!
So it isnt about marriage then. Straight or gay, couples shouldnt have any more rights or penalties then gay or straight single citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
For many couples the legal aspect goes into play and is very important, for others who are finanically secure and not worried about their health as of now it's about love, and being able to stand up in front of their family & friends and declaring this is the person who completes me. Just like a man and a woman have a need/desire to marry so do gay couples. Also if they want to adopt a child down the road they can adopt as a married couple and perhaps this will make it easier for them. Frankly I don't see why anyone has the right to tell two gay people they can't be married, it's no ones business but their own.
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Originally Posted by Karen
They don't have more rights, a married couple is just different in the eyes of the law. To use just one example, if you are single, there's no obvious answer as to who would inherit your estate if you died suddenly with no will, and you have more than one immediate relative.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
Another example is, if you were single and (heaven forbid) critically injured and put on machines, there's no one who can stand up, legally, and say "He would not want that, there's no chance for recovery, pull the plug." Then, instead of the decision being made by someone you know, and with whom you have discussed such issues, it gets decided by a court, or a doctor, or an administrator ...
As a single person, you should have a will, and a designated Power of Attorney assigned to someone just in case these things happen.
It is not about MORE ....it is about DIFFERENT.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
When two people marry they acquire DIFFERENT rights and obligations than a single person.
If you don't want those DIFFERENT rights and obligations it is very simple.
Don't get married.
But don't deny those DIFFERENT rights and obligations to others who do want them.
OH freakin please, :rolleyes:. So much for the Equal Rights Movement then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Did you read my post? It explains things differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
I am curious Karen. How does your post explain things differently?Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
(Other than blue doesn't do <<roll eyes>> at you....)
I think it is important to understand there are obligations that go with marriage as well as benefits. I am responsible for the debts my husband incurs for example.
You stated the obvious answer, be prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
If you have the time and money to get married you have the time and money to see a lawyer to get your wishes spelled out in a court of law.
Different rights go against equal rights.
Adults have different "rights" than minors. At age 65, people have different "rights" than those under age 65 - people who have passed a driver's test have different "rights" than those who have not. Veterans have different "rights" than those who have not served in the military.
The problem is what the word "rights" means. I've said this before. It gets thrown around carelessly.
Minors have privilages until they break the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Please elaborate, I have another 30 years to hit that age.Quote:
At age 65, people have different "rights" than those under age 65
Driving is not a right, it is a privilage that is earned or lost.Quote:
people who have passed a driver's test have different "rights" than those who have not.
Veterans earned those benifits by serving, they are not "rights".Quote:
Veterans have different "rights" than those who have not served in the military.
On this we can agree.Quote:
The problem is what the word "rights" means. I've said this before. It gets thrown around carelessly.
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Originally Posted by blue
Trust me...people who get married EARN their different "rights" too! :D:D:D:D
This is a good point...Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
To me, a right is something inalienable. Something that just IS, not granted or denied by a piece of paper. Perhaps government/controlling agency may not recognize a peoples inalienable rights, but they are still rights all the same. Further I belive that a true RIGHT is something that age, sex, creed, marital status, sexual preference, religion, etc, should be blind to. I think the US Bill of Rights pretty much hits it on the head.
I think, if I wrote the quoted part above, I would replace "rights" in the first paragraph with entitlements. Entitlements are a whol different ball game. A entitlement can be granted and taken away at the stroke of a pen. As such, people should not depend on them. But that gets too far off topic, eh? :)
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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Roger that. LOL :D
I don't have a need or a desire to get married. It's soooooo much easier to "shack up" long term, LOL ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marigold2
I think it's funny how many straight couples are desperately trying to get OUT of a marriage, yet gay couples want to get INTO one. :D
FWIW, I too am glad that Vermont did what it did. What's better is that is was the result of legislative action, as it should be. The other states that did it, did so as the result of judicial action, which IMO is VERY wrong and scary.
Judges do not make law.
Blue, I take it that you just recently did your taxes? :)
Good! I think all states should legalize it. I certainly do not agree with that lifestyle, but who are we to say they shouldn't have the right to choose a partner and live their lives together as a couple, and have the rights and benefits of a straight married couple? As long as they don't try to push their beliefs and lifestyle on others - who cares????
I personally know 2 same sex couples (not married) who have adopted children, and you couldn't ask for a better set of parents for the children. Some straight parents with kids could take some lessons from them!!!