Horrible dog attack!

Earlier this year I posted here about a neighbor's dog that had been getting out of its yard and attacking other dogs. Then, the people were given a warning by animal control and given a good talking to by our local police.

Yesterday the dog (a Korean fighting dog, a Gindo) walked right out of their open gate and attacked our other neighbor's dog.

My neighbor had just gone out for a minute to walk her older yellow lab. The yellow lab is seriously injured. In her efforts to protect her dog she fell and broke her right wrist.

These neighbors have a brand new baby, and now the woman cannot even hold her own child. Her dog is seriously injured and was having surgery yesterday afternoon.

Her husband was beside himself. His wife is a writer and cannot write, they will need day care for assistance with the baby, and their dog is having expensive surgery. The owners of the Gindo will now have a law suit on their hands because this is the fourth attack in our neighborhood by their dog.

The Gindo owners had kept him chained up for a while in their back yard, but became lax - and here is the result.

It is a sad comment on dog ownership and lack of responsibility.
Many Koreans have Gindos and they are not pets, but kept in their yards as guard dogs.

And who guards us as we walk our dogs?

What a tragic story! All this damage because of an irresponsible dog woner :mad: And in the end, the dog will get it. The owners will get off with a slap on the wrist and a fine.

Your neighborhood needs to be protected against these people's negligence before someone else gets hurts.

Such a tragic situation for your neighbors. I hope the dog recovers and the owners of the Gindo dog get more than a slap on the wrist or they will repeat being irresponsible pet owners.

When is enough enough? I think you need to start a petition and get the dog removed from the neighborhood by pressuring your local newspaper and the cops. This is way out of line, I know many many instances where the first attack is the last and th edog is removed or destroyed. That this seems to be an ongoing problem is unacceptable. You need to be proactive...you, your dog or yet another neighbor could be next.

I couldn't agree with you more!! When the incident occurred months ago, and I involved our Senior Lead Police Officer, he responded only because he is in charge of our neighborhood.
He made it clear that this was not a police matter, but he was only responding to our concerns. He referred me to the Animal Control. When I called Animal Control, I was firmly told that I should never have become involved. The only thing that can be done is by the person that was attacked directly with the owner of the dog that attacked.

When I became involved two dogs were being viciously attacked by the Gindo. The two dogs were on leashes being walked by a Hispanic housekeeper. I was a maniac, but got the attacking dog away from them and went directly to the owner's home.

Trust me.......they could have cared less!! It was at this point that I called the police and Animal Control.

We are talking about having a petition signed by all of the neighbors to deliver to the owners of the Gindo.

That sounds just aweful, I hate to hear tragic news like that. :(

How horrible! OK, like what kind of response is "you shouldn't have gotten involved" from Animal Control?? Jeez, I thought most of the cases that animal control gets is from concerned people who witness horrible things, and I thought it was their duty and/or the duty of the police to take care of such things. It sounds like these people shouldn't even have a dog because they are NOT responsible...and even worse...could care less about the actions of their dog against neighbors...unprovoked!! That is rediculous! People (and animals) shouldn't have to suffer from the acts...or lack thereof...of unresponsible and careless pet owners.
These people definitely need more than a slap on the wrist, but they should have to pay for all the damage done to the poor family with the baby (all the extra expenses for child care and doctor's appts for the broken wrist, etc.) and should also have their animal taken away. How awful...

Gini,

You did exactly what I hope I would have done. Try to
help the person & leashed dogs being walked. I cannot
believe that someone in the city's animal control dept.
would ever say ,in effect, "it was non of your business".
What kind of attitude is that ?
I did try to find out a little more about the Korean breed
dog because I'd never heard of it before. I did find this
site that is explains this particular breed of dog.

http://www.kang.org/Jrp50.html

They seem to be a remarkable, but very primitive breed and
not at all suited for urban life. If we can sent letters or sign
a petition to help in this situation, please let us know.

Liz, a thousand thanks for doing the research on the Jindo. I have discovered that I have been spelling it incorrectly, thanks to you.

The dogs pictured on this site are the exact dogs that are in our neighborhood in abundance. The white Jindo is the same as the one that is attacking other dogs. Isn't it a beautiful animal? Looks like one you would love to pet, right? The only problem is that you will lose your fingers!

The brown variety are more prevalent, but no less viscious. My other neighbors have two of them and they have been responsible for killing a cat when they got out. I have not been involved with that situation, but understand Animal Control has been at their home very frequently.

I wanted to allow my neighbors some space, but plan on talking to them tomorrow to see about starting a petition, at least to deal with the attacking dog.

My limited knowledge is that Koreans ignore our laws and do not license them, or give them the proper shots unless Animal Control follows through. I have seen Animal Control here often and have heard that they are checking door to door on licenses.

We can no longer just sit back and be "good neighbors" and not cause problems. These dogs must be controlled.

Let me start off by saying that I'm really sorry for this whole incident. It sounds really horrible :(

However I'd like to respond to something else you said...

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Originally posted by gini
Isn't it a beautiful animal? Looks like one you would love to pet, right? The only problem is that you will lose your fingers!

My limited knowledge is that Koreans ignore our laws and do not license them, or give them the proper shots unless Animal Control follows through.

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I don't think it's right to stereotype like that. I doubt ALL Jindos are like that dog and I also doubt that ALL the people from Korea ignore laws. I'm sorry that you have had such a bad experience with both Jindos and Koreans, but not all are bad. It's like all the people who hear the word "pitbull" (or any other "dangerous" breed) and go "OMG, you own one of those KILLERS?!".

I'm sure you didn't mean it the way I took it, I'm known to take things out of context >_<, but I figured I'd just mention the above anyways. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone! I just get so mad when people act like a certain breed of dog is vicious or dangerous or whatever when in REALITY it is all the owners fault.

Good luck with whatever you'll be doing, I hope that the owners will be punished for REAL, and maybe the dog can be rehilibated (sp?) in a loving home (if that's possible...)

I looked in my dog books & quickly on the net, I can't find the breed Gindo, is this a nickname or an unregistered breed of dog?

Jess

Jess, if you check the link posted ahead, there is an informative site on them. It is spelled JINDO .

It was a yellow lab that got hurt- WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! !


I hope that Jindo dog dies!


-YellowLabLover---

p.s. I also feel really bad for the labs owner.

YellowLabLover, That comment you just made was not very nice.

You want the Jindo to die because he hurt a Yellow Lab? Why is it the Jindo's fault. He is not to blame here. His owners are. Perhaps you anger should be dirrected towards them and not the dog!

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Originally posted by YellowLabLover

I hope that Jindo dog dies!

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That's not a nice thing to say! :mad: That Jindo dog has every right to live too, whether you like it or not!

Gini, I am so sorry this happened and one can only understand your feelings if they have been through this, please don't listen to the member who has no knowledge about what she is talking about concerning what happens here in our country, although she likes to criticize everything we say. Just ignore it as I do.

We have the same problem here with Pitbulls, now I'm not saying all Pitbulls are bad, please don't jump on me about that. What I am saying is the people who own them are not being responsible owners.

If one visits our animal control which we do, they have many, many pitbulls because the people just keep breeding them and then give a couple away to their friends and don't know what to do with the rest of them so they are in animal control waiting to die. In our neighborhood we have young men who do this, in between breeding them they fight them. It's not the Pitbull who is at fault, it's the people who own them and there should be laws stopping this kind of thing, but the so called responsible elected officials look the other way.

According to Animal control there is nothing they can do, when Daisy and Perry were attacked, the dog had to have at least 3 or 4 attacks of other dogs before they could do anything. In the meantime my dogs were in the hospital Perry with his fur ripped open and collapsed lungs and Daisy's shoulder ripped open, bone showing and needing surgery. My life has changed forever, I never feel my dogs are safe anymore, I worry constantly, I have to escort them outside, because I'm afraid they will get attacked again. Is this fair?
They returned the dogs to the owners on the very same day with a ticket. This happened in my own fenced backyard.

No, dogs are not bad, but the owners of these dogs do not care what happens to other people's dogs or people. Gini, I hope you do get that petition going and I hope they ban these dogs from your area until the Koreans take some responsibility regarding ownership of these dogs and the elected officials wake up to what is going on. You can bet they live in a safe area without these kinds of attack dogs.
Sorry for the long post, but I can understand how Gini feels, I have been there.
Jackie

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Originally posted by jackiesdaisy1935
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According to Animal control there is nothing they can do, when Daisy and Perry were attacked, the dog had to have at least 3 or 4 attacks of other dogs before they could do anything. In the meantime my dogs were in the hospital Perry with his fur ripped open and collapsed lungs and Daisy's shoulder ripped open, bone showing and needing surgery. My life has changed forever, I never feel my dogs are safe anymore, I worry constantly, I have to escort them outside, because I'm afraid they will get attacked again. Is this fair?
They returned the dogs to the owners on the very same day with a ticket. This happened in my own fenced backyard...

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:mad: OMG Jackie, I'm so sorry to hear about this!!!! It's absolutely horrible! Was this something that happened recently?
This may sound a little harsh, but I think officials need to take attacks like these more seriously and punish the people who can't responsibly own a "guardian" breed of dog. I think it's rediculous that they want people to wait until a dangerous dog attacks 3 or 4 times before anyone does anything? 1 attack is enough for me...and if it were on my property...I can't even imagine. I'm fuming at that thought. :mad:
This is rediculous!!!! If I'm living in a neighborhood where irresponsible people have vicious dogs...I wouldn't stand by and let them get away with it. I would expect people to take care of their animals and take responsibility of their animal's actions as I would with mine. :mad: It isn't fair that anyone should feel afraid for themselves and/or their pets and children in their own neighborhoods. Gini, I too hope you get that petition going. Actions like this need to be addressed before anyone or anything is seriously injured or killed. We will not stand for irresponsible ownership!!! Those people need to be punished!

I agree, it's not directly the dog's fault...but in fact it IS the owners that make a dog bad. It is sad that most "guardian" breeds of dog get a bad rap for it, but it is a fact that certain breeds are chosen by certain people because of their ability to be viscious. However, it's the owners that should be punished and not the dog.

Wolflady, this happened in June, we had been to the store and came back to find the pitbull had smashed through our fence and attacked both dogs. We found Daisy hiding in her doghouse and Perry on the bottom step barely breathing. Luckily the Pitbull got his chain caught on the broken fence and couldn't get loose to continue the attack.
Both Perry and Daisy are doing wonderful, Perry was distrustful of every little noise or anything but is doing well, completely recovered from his wounds, it took Daisy a lot longer to recover, she had surgery, but even her Vet is surprised at the recovery she is making and almost back to normal, she is doing really well.
Thanks for asking
Jackie

{{{Jackie, Perry, Daisy}}}

I'm so glad that both Perry and Daisy are doing well. What an awful experience for them and you!! Bless their little hearts! I'll be sure to keep you all in my prayers. :)

**hugs**
Karen

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Originally posted by YellowLabLover
It was a yellow lab that got hurt- WWWWAAAAAAAAA!!

I hope that Jindo dog dies!

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That was really unnecessary. It's not the Jindo's fault, it's the owners. And what's especially sad about this is that you're only caring so much because it was a yellow lab (obviously your favorite breed). ALL breeds are just as good and none are worth more than another, be it a pure-bred yellow lab or a "mutt".

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Originally posted by jackiesdaisy1935
Gini, I am so sorry this happened and one can only understand your feelings if they have been through this, please don't listen to the member who has no knowledge about what she is talking about concerning what happens here in our country, although she likes to criticize everything we say. Just ignore it as I do.

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I have a NAME you know ;) You don't have to refer to me as "the member who has no knowledge about what she is talking about", you're free to just call me "Ann". And JSYK, I've lived in the USA for over two years (in total that is, I've gone back and forth many times since you aren't allowed to be there for more than 6 months in total without a permit) so I do KNOW what I'm talking about. Just because I can see some faults in the way the USA works sometimes, unlike yourself, doesn't make me some horrible person like you seem to think. If you honestly are that offended by me, please do ignore me for REAL.

The dog needs to sent to a Jindo rescue to see if they can tame him. I was bitten by a pitt bull several times & he left welts & 2 quater sized bruses & there was no way, I was gonna let the shelter kill the dog, I was going to sudjest a rescue, after I cleaned up, but when I went to tell him this, he was already on the phone calling a rescue, I was sooo happy, because it wasn't the dogs fault I pissed him off, I was doing my job by trying to train him not to jump & to sit, stay, come & walk on a leash. The trainings not what pissed him off, it was that I had other dogs to train as well & when I was finished working with him, he knew I was going to go see another dog, so he would bite me & hold on, he was not a mean dog, he just wanted more love that I couldn't give to him.
But on the bright side, the rescue too him, & I helped 2 other dogs find great homes & I traine a black lab to stop jumping & bitting & I trained a Walker hound to walk without pulling.
I did all this in 2 weeks or 41 hours, I would have stayed longer but that shelter was too far from my home, its an hours drive.
but I loved the experience & the shelter wants me back, but I know I wont be able to. I might try to find a shelter out here in Ottawa that I can go to, to just train dogs

Yes, you do have a name and it's Ann, wow you have been here 2 years, I've been here 67 years, probably a little more experience in living here than you do. Do I come in here and trash Sweden? We respect the countries that everyone comes from, I have never heard an American on here trash anyone's country and we have the intelligence and respect not to do something like that.
Why don't you grow up and talk about things that you know about like animals and leave our country out of it unless you have something nice to say for a change. I really don't care to respond to your posts as you are immature and silly.
I'm not letting you run me out of PetTalk, unless Karen and Paul decide they want me to leave because of this post, or the members are tired of me and then I will leave, it will be up to them not you.
What I am tired of is your ridiculous trash talking. You have intelligence, that's for sure, use it or lose it.
Jackie

I find you really offensive sometimes. I complained about this too, and I am an American. Gini's comments were either poorly worded or ignorant. To state that a group of people all does the same thing is wrong, and offensive. We are in cyberspace, and are unaware of each other's races and ethnicities, I suggest we realise that and word our thoughts more wisely.

And just a word of advice, when you're the only superpower (making you the dominant country of the world), expect some criticism. We're not under Sweden's rule, but other countries are greatly effected by US decisions, and therefore have a right to state their cases.

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until the Koreans take some responsibility regarding ownership of these dogs

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Jackie Daisy I can honsetly say that I found this offensive. Why can't you say "the people who own these dogs" rather then generalize. I found nothing that Ann said in this post offensive in any way. Her post said nothing bad about america. It just said it's not nice to generalize, and I, as a proud American agree.

I really want to respond on the recent postings, but I
have a puppy to care for right NOW. I'll be back. Liz.

hi!! ummm... guys.... i agree with ann, though i still think your a great person jackiedaisy, you didn't have to jump all over ann for it...


plaese don't fight!!!

Well Soledad I find you offensive too, since I see the majority of people posting find me offensive then I guess I will leave, I'm sorry that this has turned into a conflict, I am an American and I love my country and I will not stand to see it trashed by the likes of Ann or anyone like her.. I don't find her offensive I find the things she has to say about my country offensive, I doubt I would be welcomed in Sweden if I said the things she has said here.
PetTalk has been a wonderful place for us all to gather to talk about our pets, I'm sorry it has become a platform for hate and discontent with a few like you. It seems you are only happy when you both start a conflict of some sort. Why don't you lay off of Gini, she is a nice person doesn't have a racist bone in her body and certainly is not ignorant.
You never have a good word for anyone.
To all my friends on here, I appreciate all the nice things you have said, the concern you showed for Perry and Daisy, and the love you have given me, I guess it's time for me to say goodbye.
I wish you all good luck and good health.
Jackie

Lots of things to clear up here, I can see.

1. There is a difference between criticising and trashing. Please learn it.
2. You would still be welcomed into Sweden if you made disparaging remarks about it. It's not a totalitarian state. Other countries besides America have freedom of speech.
3. PetTalk has NOT become a platform of hate and discontent. You seem to have MAJOR problems with anyone having opinions divergent of your own. Perhaps you are just set in your ways.
4. Look at my posts, I do have a good word for people. Stop generalising.
5. I said either Gini had worded her thoughts poorly or was treading on some rather racists grounds. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. It is not right to dictate what an entire population does/does not do based on race.

My nieces and nephews are of Korean descent, and they don't own any wild dogs that attack. I don't want them to grow up in a country where they're not seen as "full" Americans, or people who mistreat animals and break laws.

Reading this thread makes me a little bit sad... Guess, we should all realize that WE ALL share ONE common thing, and that's our LOVE for our pets... We come here to vent, to console our pet lover friend in cyberspace, to laugh at those funny pictures , to cry, to laugh or just to merely read what everyone has to say ...

I won't take sides, 'coz I do believe that neither jackie nor Ann has any intention of offending anyone... Sometimes, because of our passion in voicing out our opinions, we say things that HURT other people UNINTENTIONALLY... These things happened not only here at Pet Talk but in our everyday lives... But as a responsible, true loving individual, I do believe that ANYTHING can be patched up or ironed out if we are willing to fix things up...

We are all friends in cyberspace, and i hate to see any member leave just because we don't share common opinion... Regardless of nationality, color , age , race or religion, nothing can beat our true passion for our loving pets..

Miss Jackie, please don't leave Pet Talk...:( :( I beg, if I need to... We need you here..

Ann, please don't leave too :( :(

We are all friends in cyberspace.. We all have one common goal - and that's to express our true love to our pets and to protect any animals in any possible way that we can..

Have a wonderful day everyone and God bless !

:) :) :)

What is this, gang up on Jackie night?

I 'd suggest any one who thinks that Gini or Jackie are
making racist statements please read the above link on
this particular breed of dog. It is a Korean Breed and the
link to info on the temperment and nature of the breed is
written by a Korean man who admires the breed . Please
read past the first few pages on the link. Pages 12-16 are
especially revealing of the the Jindo nature .The link(with pics)
shows how a typical island dog & human family co-exist.
The Korean island mind-set does not translate at all to a
typical urban setting such as L.A.(or any other large urban
city) There are no leash laws in Korea. There are very strict
leash laws in most American cities. It may be a culture thing,
Whatever, an unleashed and unrestrained dog that attacks
other animals should not be tolerated in any U.S. city.
There are city ordinances(not strong enough) to deal with
the owners & the animals that violate the law.
An unleashed guard dog laying in the road in front of the
owners house might work in some small Korean village, but
certainly does not work here in American cities.
Gini made no racist statements, neither did Jackie. What we're
trying to discuss here, is the prevalence of unprovoked dog
attacks made by uncontrolled dogs of any citizen , in any
American city.

I don't think either Gini or Jackie meant to sterotype Korens or anybody else or any breed of dog. I believe it was stated and meant in general statement such as - Americans like to throw their money away foolisly - well it just a statement about Americans that spend a lot of money ect. in what ever area this statement is made about.

Things have been said on this site by others about America in a degrading way. And even though this was said over a year ago it is remembered by Americans on this site that will stick up for their country and feel very hurt by those words.

And thats a poor joke if you think that Jackie is offensive to others. She say the most kind things to others on this board and has for the long time she has been a member here.

So you don't all need to try and be the all- mighty one here.

"My limited knowledge is that Koreans ignore our laws and do not license them, or give them the proper shots unless Animal Control follows through. "

That's why I raised the issue. It seemed poorly worded. I think anyone can see why it did not bode well with me. But I'm sure I'll be forced into some sort of deconstruction.

The few times I've seen JackieDaisy on here she has been rude to either me or someone online, which is why I made my statements, especially when she accused me of never having a nice word for anyone.

Stop it, everyone, RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!

This is Pet Talk.

Everyone is here because we hold one important thing in common - our love of pets. I am sorry this thread has gotten out of hand and feelings have been hurt. Let us stop, now, and begin to heal.

No one should stereotype peoples, nationalities or breeds here. No one here should "trash" another's beliefs. People should remember that we are all here because of our love of animals.

This thread started with an unfortunate event. We feel bad for the people and the pets involved. That said, I do not think anyone should ever post that they wish an animal would die, you can think it, but please, do not post that here without considering that anyone can read this forum, even owners of Jindos, Pit Bulls, Labradors, Siamesse cats, everyone, including children, can read this board. Be minful of that before you hit "Submit reply."

The reason we are here is because we are all passionate about our pets and those of others. Passionate people sometimes say things they may later regret. We need to stop, right now, and let everyone settle down on this matter.

DO NOT POST in this thread until you are absolutely sure what you are going to say is not hurtful. We don't need to "run anyone off," we do need to be kind to each other.

Please!

Please!

Go pet a pet. Be glad you and your animals are safe right now, I am glad. I worry about Miss Hoppy sometimes but we just did "raisin time" so she is happy, and safe.

A few days ago, the Dog of the Day's owner said "If everyone had a dog like Dakota, the world would be a better place!" Do you not feel that way about your pets? I know that bunnies would get a lot more respect from people if they all knew a bunny like Miss Hoppy!

Take a deep breath, and go give somebody a raisin, a biscuit, a tummy-rub ... whatever makes them happy!

OK thats it, I have had enough about the country fighting & who said what & so on. For crying out loud I live in CANADA, & a vast majorty of "people" think we live in iglues & travel by dog & eat raw fish & blubber, I have met alot of these people on the net & in person when I travel to a different "country" u don't see me freaking out, I love my Country too, but I really don't care what others think nor say, because I'm old enough to know what I like & not to fight. & if people around here can't get along I think we need to grow up a bit & think of how silly this fight really is. Fighting is wrong, did any wars really solve anything? come on were all people here, dissagreaments & different opinions happen, its natural, were only human, but were not ANIMALS! We have a brain so we can think of right & wrong & we all know FIGHTING is wrong. If people arn't going to grow up, then stop talking to eachother & stop fighting with eachother. My dad taught me that I'll always be picked on by bullies if I kept fighting back or yelling at them, but the second I acting as if they wern't there, they stoped. I grew up alot that day, & boy was my dad right. so I was us all to grow up & continue to enjoy chatting & bragging & having diff opinions & being friendly with each other.


Jess

p.s. almost forgot, we all have a very important tool & its called forgiveness.

Jackie, when I first joined this board, you were probably the first person I met, and one of the nicest too. I really appreciate you, and I love your dogs. Please don't leave. :( I really don't think what Ann said was anything wrong, and I don't think Jackie is "offensive" at ALL! People are just very defensive of their countries, it is a part of them. PLEASE listen to Sammi and Karen!!

Gosh, see I thought only the Japanese ate sushi, you're saying Canadians do, too? Just kidding about the "raw fish" comment! My bosses LOVE sushi, my Dad calls it "bait." ;) But I don't let them fight about it, either!

I'm sorry this sort of tumbled into the mess that it is. I was quite annoyed, but it's over. Obviously, my point was completely lost...but there are more important things. Sorry to all involved, but I still stand by my comments.

Ya, I also have a dog team of 8, made up of pure breed huskies, oh wait!! how silly of me, huskies r hardly ever used as sled dogs anymore... now its husky + malmute + hound mutts... bet a lot of people didn't know that... & yes I did have a 1 dog team when I was 11-14, Max was my sled dog & when I was 16, my friends Rottweiler was our sled dog.. BUT I REALLY DON"T EAT RAW FISH, I hate fish!! hehehe

this is a fun conversation... hahahaha :D

Jess

Lol Jess, yes a very nice conversation. I won't even get into what people think of me when I say where I live. :rolleyes: From what I hear, the most popular "sled dogs" right now are Alaskan Huskies. Not really a "breed"....just a line of dogs bred for racing, that are very fast. :D I'm not quite sure why I was compelled to comment on this lol.

The alasken huskies ur the mixed breed I was talking about, its hard to imagin that there is hound in there, but the used hounds because they have long legs & fast legs. some of the dogs coats r so thin, they have to wear coats & booties... hehe.. just like my dog Max :)
Max is such a sissy
max is well trained & I taught him a command called teeth & open.
I tell max to bare his teeth & then open his mouth. I taught him this because hes such a friendly dog, he just looks silly baring his teeth
heres a photo of him

Jess
P.s.
I'm high in caffeen right now, so if I'm making little sence, just go with it... heheh