Two New Snakes .. [6]

some of you know I just lost my best (still is and always will be) corn friend, hobbes - I've been grieving over this for too long time now. I told my friend (who gave me him) what happened and she gave me her baby ghost corn girl then surprised me with hobbes' brother the next day. I was happy and teary at the same time, the new cornboy and hobbes look so much alike - except for two hearts on his head; red and orange and afterall, it's his last brother.

he, of course was a bit bigger when landed into my hand....has been a while. the girl's personality is SO much like hobbes too, only a little younger. I feel honored to have them and no one can ever or will replace my little boy I lost - they have just let me love the snakes again and have been helping my grief very much.. sometimes it's still hard to look at the boy. :( so, without further ado...

please welcome falloweena!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...lloweena-1.jpg

pink cheeks!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...ts/xdawn-1.jpg

and candlelight!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...xbrother-1.jpg

double hearts
(call him coeur if you like too - heart in french)..
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...ittleman-1.jpg

and both together..
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...xbothaga-1.jpg

smiling
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...together-1.jpg

thanks for looking. :)

Aww they're so cute! I love Candlelights bright colors, but I also like the coloring of Falloweena.
Welcome to the newest members of the ark! :)

They're both beautiful. I don't even much like snakes, but these two are stunning! Gina, you are so wonderful to share your love with all of the animals of the world.

wow they are so beautiful. it is wonderful that you could get hobbes' brother. now a little part of him kinda lives on with his brother.

What gorgeous colors Candlelight has! Falloweena is very pretty as well! Glad that your friend was able to part with them, knowing they would make you happy!

AHHH! THERE SO BEAUTIFUL!

They make the sweetest couple of snakes I've ever seen! :D

Aww congratz on your new reptile babies, they are indeed aodrable.

Wow so neat looking they are! I'm so glad you got some more snakes and can once again enjoy them. And I can't believe how much it does actually look like they are smiling:D

Congrats on the new additions. You're not keeping them in the same tank are you? Snakes aren't really social critters and can turn cannabalistic.

thank you everyone for the welcome and compliments.

kim, no they're not really social critters but they won't kill each other unless one is bigger than the other. both are friendly though, they have been wrapping each other warm sleeping but I do not plan to keep them both in the same tank when they grow big - they're just tiny right now.

These two hatchlings were the same size:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16.../cannibal2.jpg

Talk to just about any snake breeder and they'll tell you cannabalism is found more often with hatchlings than adults.

Just FYI.

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Originally Posted by ramanth

These two hatchlings were the same size ...

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I can't see the "second one" ... or :eek: was that the *point*?? :(

Maybe those lumps & bumps on #1 define the location of #2?

How unfriendly!
:rolleyes:

Yeah. :( Sadly baby snakes eat other baby snakes. :( :(

And then typically the baby snake that did the eating ends up dying too because the "meal" was too large. So then you end up not losing only one but two snakes. :(

Congrats on the new additions. They are so beautiful. I love Candelight's color, but Falloweena's markings are gorgous!

oh that picture is sad.. :( isn't that a king snake? I'd like the link of that picture you got from please. I love to learn something new about animals everyday.

my friend who gave me them is a breeder, she told me what I said in my previous post. I talked with her again to be sure, she never had this happened to her 100+ hatchlings and have always kept the babies altogether until adopted out - though said "cannabalism is possible but is extremely rare," especially with friendly corns. I showed her that picture, we agreed this could happen to anyone who aren't fed seperately or wasn't being fed, taken care of well.

but you have stressed me enough - my heart cannot afford losing another one or the worst, two - so I called the snake breeder I know (with a federal license) for second opinion first thing this morning. I filled him in with my two corns and the concern, he then said "that's totally erroneous. they don't eat each other under normal circumstances." and then mentioned about kings, "the corn snakes don't normally eat each other like king snakes - the only exemption should be under fed." again, said the same thing, rarely happens.

so.. my corn kiddies are fed 5-7 days with medium pinkies, seperately of course, and are in new large tank with right temperature. all I am doing is following the instructions lol. I've had them for about week now, they seem great together. :confused: thanks though, I appreciate your concern.

thank you kittygurl!

That's a cornsnake, not a king snake.

That picture and the majority of my research comes from Cornsnakes.com

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/

Just because it's rare doesn't mean it can't happen. I just don't feel it's worth the risk personally. I'd never forgive myself.

yeah, could be a risk, no one said they should be kept together. it is like you chose to drive and got in an accident if you don't pay attention. actually they meant rare with king snakes, so less than corns? my corn kids, what if they like to be together? don't want to bother if they do, unable to apart them eventually.

thought so, the heart-shape on the head - thanks for the link.

Also, you are keeping a male and female together. Which means they may (and probably will) breed. If the female is not large enough she could egg bind which can result in death.

I'm not trying to be mean, it's just that I've done a lot of research when it comes to reptiles and I'd hate to see something bad happen to your lovely pair.

the snakes are gorgeous gina... i'm sure if you see any signs of aggression you'll separate them. let''s focus on the positive ;)

Nobody was focusing on the negative, but it's a good idea to let people know of the possible risks of certain housing situations, in case they didn't realize it. Kimmy is absolutely right about everything she had said. You don't see any signs of aggression, you just have a missing snake IF that happens. I have two baby snow corn snakes and a 6 foot Red Tailed Boa, and there are things eveyrone who owns snakes should know, especially if they are new to them. Nobody said anything wrong to Gina, mean or any other way, it was simply information, and correct information. It CAN happen, and whether it's rare or not it happens. There is no reason to say Kimmy is being negative for passing on true information about potential problems. At least now Gina can make an informed decision about how to house them.

well, someone is making this a big deal while it should not be - I think that's what she means. yes, it can happen but this is not a perfect world and anything can happen. I mean, a cat have eaten a human before and if this is common and correct, why would a reputable breeder hand me two snakes and say it's okay to be together?

they're my first snakes doesn't mean I haven't done any or little research, especially I've spoke with two breeders (who each keeps 20+ tanks with 5+ hatchlings in each for 8+ years) and even especially after I've lost my very first one. I also looked at the forum (link given above) also, not all of them are the breeders and not all of them are responsible owners like some on here so I am more of to tend on experiences than 'texts on internet' alone. it's nice to know someone cares about my snakes, I'd still research more about this though for a better knowledge and again, do not plan to keep them in same tank.

vela, I didn't know you had snow corn snakes! how come you didn't post them yet, I'd love to meet them. :)

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[color=slateblue]well, someone is making this a big deal while it should not be - I think that's what she means. yes, it can happen but this is not a perfect world and anything can happen. I mean, a cat have eaten a human before and if this is common and correct, why would a reputable breeder hand me two snakes and say it's okay to be together?

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I don't see anyone making a big deal. Ramanth is giving you information and her opinion, what you do is up to you. I don't think it is kind to dismiss her.

Your snakes are very pretty, I love the red/orange one, he is so striking!

I can't wait to have kids so that I can let them have cool pets, and not be known as that crazy lady down the road with 20439098375 animals (I already have that rep here, don't want to encourage it, haha).

Hope to see some more pics as they grow.

dismiss? just stating what I think jenn means as I don't see anything negative here.

yeah I know what you mean, trying to vary the animals here myself - I love all of them. all S's too, skunks, snakes, slugs, snails, you name it. people/friends think I'm a crazy cat lady or cats are my favorite animal - thirteen cats here. :rolleyes: due to population, cats/strays/ferals/kittens are easier to rescue.

thank you! and you will, as long as not every threads are about seperating them. ;)

I am sure you mean no harm to any creature, but I honestly do not understand why you are so easily offended when someone simply has the animals best interest at heart. Ramanth is very passionate about her reptiles yet you just brush her concern aside like its crumbs from your lunch. I just do not understand why you keep bringing animals (cats, sugar gliders, snakes etc) into your home when things are so unstable for you right now.

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Originally Posted by sandragonfly

it can happen but this is not a perfect world and anything can happen

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this is very very true since you yourself have been there.

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Originally Posted by ramanth

These two hatchlings were the same size:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16.../cannibal2.jpg

Talk to just about any snake breeder and they'll tell you cannabalism is found more often with hatchlings than adults.

Just FYI.

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Originally Posted by sandragonfly

oh that picture is sad.. isn't that a king snake?

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Ramanth knows you have corn snakes she wouldn't post a pic of a different snake to confuse you.
I just don't understand why you get so bent when people try to give you advice.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16.../cannibal2.jpg
The Scorpion and the Frog
One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.
The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

Self destruction - "Its my Nature", said the Scorpion...
An Interesting article regarding this fable

After I lost my corn snake (that was exactly like Hobbes and went missing like Hobbes) I got another but I did the same as you and oddly enough I got the exact same ones. A ghost and another Albino. I kept them together too (always fed seperate) and there were no problems. Now I had a huge tank and they had tons of their own hiding spots. The place I got them from (a huge reptile store) always had the babies and young corns in the same tank. Not saying it's right but I guess alot of people just don't know.

I would listen to Ramantha though as she seems to know ALOT about her reptiles and you are new to owning them.
I also want to say the place I got mine from the guy was very very knowlagable and bred corn snakes too and never sperated them so doesn't mean your breeder friends exactly know what they are talking about.

These were my guys
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...kee12331/P.jpg