Thinking Of Selling Daisy

Some of you all know me and Daisy, but some dont so ill tell you all my situation. I have a Boxer which i know and knew when i got her would be a hyper dog, but all dogs that i have been around including boxers are controlable. I also have a 5 yr old boy and a 2 yr old girl which are my life. Now I live in a small town in the country and have a nice sized yard, so I have always kept Daisy outside. And i know some of u dont think any dog should be kept outside but to me its kinda like having gas, there are more room outside than in,lol. But really i had my yard fixed where she couldnt get around front because she would tear up all the christmas decorations and i had a lot of money in them because my kids love them. Anyway now its getting warm and i had a kennell built 40 ft x 10 ft, she was climbing out i put a top on it, she was getting under it, i got tent stakes and staked it down. She still got under it so i put a runner in that wouldnt let her reach far enough to get out, she will only come out one side. She got out of her collar, i bought a harness now she is getting out of it, i really dont know what else to do. There arent any trainers or any thing like that around here and i hardly have time to train her and dont really know how, i work 3rd shift. i work 11 to 7 starting sunday nights through friday night except tuesday and thursday i work 7 to 7. Now you may wonder the problem, my kids cant get out and play because she is so very very hyper she is 8 months old and outways them bouth already. Everyone says she will calm down but i dont see it happening in the near future, so my brother in law will give me $600 for her and he has a male boxer, and probably more time. So does anyone have any ideas that will help me because i have tried all i know to do and buying her and having a kennell built and all the other things i have done i probably have $1200+ in her and really dont wont to spend much more. But i HATE the thought of not having her here. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

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Tim I remember you and Daisy and your precious children. I know there are others here that might say "why did you get her, etc., etc.?" but that is not the issue now. I do believe that, given the situation that you describe, it might be the best thing if she was re-homed with your brother-in-law if you think he would properly care for her. That way you would still be able to see her so it would be the best of both worlds. :)

Should you decide to adopt in the future, I would suggest looking at shelters and selecting a pup that is older and known to be good with children. So many of those *puppy issues* are just not issues with older dogs and you would be making a world of difference in that dog's life. :)

Suggestions?

Train her. She is only a young puppy. You said you knew when you got her that Boxers are hyper dogs. You know why the dogs you've been around were managable? Because their owners trained them.

She needs to be an inside dog to learn the pack rules. Outside dogs have a difficult time understanding that. Keeping her outside, and reducing her size of yard, is just going to make it worse. She needs to run, she needs to play with other dogs, and most of all she needs to be with her pack - your family, to learn the important behavior aspects in life.

Keeping her outside is your #1 problem.
Bring her inside, crate train her (for when you are gone, ONLY,) and allow her to learn the rules of a pack.
I can assure you that there are many of us here with experience with puppies that can help you. Heck, we can even learn together because I've got a 6 month old here myself.

Selling her just sounds ridiculous. Who cares about money when it comes to this?

Some of you may think this is mean but she will never be allowed in the house for good. And no their not trained their just not this hyper i have actually never been around a trained dog never. And again about the inside as i said i have 2 small kids and she is to hyper and although she doesnt mean to she scares them and that doesnt help. When they run she chases if they dont she knocks them down and i can work with her some but not like i would like to. But i do appreciate the thought.

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Originally Posted by Kfamr

Suggestions?

Train her. She is only a young puppy.

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Tim has said ". There arent any trainers or any thing like that around here and i hardly have time to train her and dont really know how, i work 3rd shift."

That is why I responded as I did. I agree with Kay in that dogs don't belong outside. They need human contact and will never learn how to behave around people if their time with them is limited. I hope whatever dog you choose next time will be an inside dog and maybe even get to sleep in the Big Bed with their humans like most of our PT dogs. :)

I understand and respect that most of you do like dogs inside but although you may think its mean Daisy nor will any other dog ever live inside my house. And although it may seem mean to some that is just the way it is and not to sound mean but i dont need any help with my future choices just this one.

I read the entire post. 2-3 times, so I know what he said. But, training is the only reasonable decision in my opinion and many of us can help him with that.

If you're never going to allow your dogs inside, good luck, because I imagine you're going to have a lot of "hard decisions" just like this one in the future.

-Sigh- Good luck I suppose because it doesn't seem you're here to actually listen to our suggestions and you're set in your decision.

Hope your brother-in-law takes the time for her. Also, you may want to speak with her breeder. Often time selling a dog is against the contract. Most breeders prefer the dog is returned before rehoming.

*sigh* :(

:( If you are not willing to put the time into training, exercise etc then you would be best to rehome... i am only saying this for the sake of the dog. Maybe think it out a bit more before bringing another innocent life in to your yard.

Im sorry if i sounded like i wasnt listening to your suggestions. But im pretty aggrovated because i really dont want to let her go and the reason she cant come in is because of my 2 kids. I would care less if not for that and if i knew how to train her i would and as far as a not being able to train a dog outside i dont agree. And i do appreciate your suggestions.

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She's a Boxer obviously she is going to be really hyper shes also a puppy. You asked for suggestions but seem to be making excuses for why they all wont work. I hope she goes to a home where they love her and actually have time for her.

In my opinion, you have no business even having a dog. You should have thought about your "two small children" and taken that into huge consideration before even getting a dog. If you want a good dog, then you must be willing to do the things needed to obtain that goal. Dogs are very personalable animals and don't deserve to stay outside and get the crumbs of attention you decide to give them when you feel like it. To them, that's punishment. Dogs are living, breathing creatures, not some piece of property you can dispose of when you see fit. And for goodness sake, find a good home for her and forget selling her. If you really cared for her, money would be the last thing on your mind.

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Originally Posted by Kfamr

I read the entire post. 2-3 times, so I know what he said.

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I wasn't saying that you didn't. I was only explaining why I responded the way I did (i.e., didn't suggest training). *sigh*

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Originally Posted by dukedogsmom

In my opinion, you have no business even having a dog. You should have thought about your "two small children" and taken that into huge consideration before even getting a dog. If you want a good dog, then you must be willing to do the things needed to obtain that goal. Dogs are very personalable animals and don't deserve to stay outside and get the crumbs of attention you decide to give them when you feel like it. To them, that's punishment. Dogs are living, breathing creatures, not some piece of property you can dispose of when you see fit. And for goodness sake, find a good home for her and forget selling her. If you really cared for her, money would be the last thing on your mind.

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well said.

Glad to hear that you are thinking of rehoming Daisy. May I strongly suggest that you do not do it yourself, but contact a Boxer rescue (there seems to be one not far from you in Tennessee). They will be better able to determine what is best for Daisy. If what you really want is what is best for Daisy and your family that is the best way to go. Your brother -in-law probably isn't a good idea either since from what you say Daisy needs training and you have indicated that he doesn't train his dogs. Sounds like a failure before it even begins. Hope Daisy does well in her new home, she is a cutie.

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Originally Posted by Pam

I wasn't saying that you didn't. I was only explaining why I responded the way I did (i.e., didn't suggest training). *sigh*

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I just wasn't sure why you quoted me with a quote from him - as if I was wrong to suggest training. But, I understand now, although I see nothing wrong with your original post. We're all going to have differing opinions on the subject, obviously.

Why the sigh? :confused:



Again, Tim, I strongly suggest you speak with her breeder. I'm not sure what type of breeder she came from, however, a responsible breeder will take back dogs and require that you return them if needed to rehome.

I have a feeling our suggestions weren't what he wanted to hear. I'm afraid her brother in law will breed her since he's got a male. You know, it's funny how people come here for advice and then don't even listen. Someone else recently did the same thing.

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Originally Posted by dukedogsmom

I have a feeling our suggestions weren't what he wanted to hear. I'm afraid her brother in law will breed her since he's got a male.

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Val, That was my exact first thought. Why else would he pay $600 for her, unless he could "recoup" the cost?

I am trying to be understanding about the situation. I understand there are situations where dogs need to be rehomed, and I do think this is one of them, becuase it will be best for the dog. But I also think it should be handled by either the breeder or a boxer rescue. Maybe I am jumping to conclusions and the BIL only has the best of intentions. If that is the case, then I am wrong and I apoligize. I would just hate to see her sold as a brood bitch.

As for no dogs now or ever in the house becuase of the kids? I just don't get that. Where would some of our PT children be with our their best buds? But that is a whole nother topic.

Rehoming her sounds like the best idea. But, I'm confused. You said you would never have an inside dog. Which is fine, I know a few people who feel that way. It's a lifestyle and a mentality that I find outdated, but to each his own. As long as the dog is able to be with people A LOT and is given proper shelter and food, it's better than a lot of situations where the dog is kept inside and ignored. Still not the best in my opinion, but again, to each his own. Daisy doesn't sound neglected, just completely misunderstood. And, in the wrong hands. I would suggest going through a rescue organization, though, as has already been mentioned.

Back to my confusion. You stated you would never have an inside dog. But, then you stated a couple posts later that Daisy isn't allowed inside because of your children. And, I'm assuming that's because she's too large and too rambunctious. Which makes sense, although it's something that should have been considered prior to choosing a large, active breed. Hind sight is 20/20, of course. :) If you're never going to have a dog inside, that's one thing. I wouldn't take $5000 for a dog I thought was going to spend the rest of his life outside of the house. Had you not said "But im pretty aggrovated because i really dont want to let her go and the reason she cant come in is because of my 2 kids", I would not be confused. If it's just because of the children, why would you not consider getting a smaller, more manageable dog next time? Or just wait til your children are older? They're not always going to be small and able to be run over by a playful puppy.

As for outside dogs being untrainable, I didn't read the comment suggesting that I guess, but maybe they just meant that it was *more difficult* to train a dog that lives it's life outside? My opinion on that is that it is not necessarily harder to train a dog to sit and stay outside, but it is more difficult for a dog to understand it's place in the pack when it's rare that it's even part of the pack. Does that make any sense? You do add a level of difficulty to the training when a dog is never really let in, though, I will agree with that.

I do hope you rehome her. I also hope you go through a rescue organization. Good luck!

a quote from Tim a while back...

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TO B HONEST ONE OF THE REASONS I BOUGHT HER IS BECAUSE I WORK 3rd SHIFT IN THE COAL MINES, AND FOR SOME REASON PEOPLE R SCARED TO DEATH OF BOXERS AROUND HERE ANYWAY.

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I'd suggest rehoming her. Then instead of ever getting another dog, install an alarm system and buy a gun (careful with the kids) and your family will be safe when you are at work. You could have done that with the money you 'wasted' on Daisy. My heart goes out to Daisy. :(

http://www.ckbr.org/

http://www.bluegrassboxerrescue.org/

http://adopt-a-boxer.1-800-save-a-pet.com/


Here are a few links to help this animal, I won't even go into my personal feelings on this matter, as to do so would make your ears melt. I will say that is people like you that have a throw away dissasociative attitude towards companion animals, that make it possible for me to blessed with fostering and rehoming and getting to know so many animals that are much more amazing and smart than the owners that had them. So I guess I should thank you.

As for your kids and dogs in the house, I had kids, and rotties , and as all babies do the pups got knocked over and the babies did too. Everyone survived amongst laughter and tears for the boo boos. Too bad that you cannot find the same love for your dog, that she has has for you.

Hopefully, you will put aside your wallet and make the decisions that are best for the animal, at least once in this saga.

Just my thoughts

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See that little girl in the midst of all the dogs. That is my granddaughter Jasmine when she was about 20 months old. See the dogs - 5 are mine, 3 are hers and 3 are Amy's and one is my boss's. Dogs and little kids - taught properly they will get along fine. Included in that mix, is a Jack Rusell, 3 Dalmation mixes and a Great Dane. All can be a little hyper and yes, she has taken a fall once or twice but she loves each and every one of them - and I think each of them love her. Now she has a little brother and he too is being brought up as part of the group.

Jasmine lived with us for about 6months starting when she was 14 months old. At that time we had 6 dogs. Her dalmation, great dane and terrier mix made nine. When she heard them running down the hall, she turned toward a wall, grabbed ahold of whatever she could and let them run by her. I can't imagine what her life would be like without living with dogs!

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Originally Posted by Dr.Goodnow

http://www.ckbr.org/

http://www.bluegrassboxerrescue.org/

http://adopt-a-boxer.1-800-save-a-pet.com/


Here are a few links to help this animal, I won't even go into my personal feelings on this matter, as to do so would make your ears melt. I will say that is people like you that have a throw away dissasociative attitude towards companion animals, that make it possible for me to blessed with fostering and rehoming and getting to know so many animals that are much more amazing and smart than the owners that had them. So I guess I should thank you.

As for your kids and dogs in the house, I had kids, and rotties , and as all babies do the pups got knocked over and the babies did too. Everyone survived amongst laughter and tears for the boo boos. Too bad that you cannot find the same love for your dog, that she has has for you.

Hopefully, you will put aside your wallet and make the decisions that are best for the animal, at least once in this saga.

Just my thoughts

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Im affraid Tim may take this the wrong way...BUT...i couldnt agree more with you! I understand what the dog was bought for, to protect, which im sure if given the chance she could protect with the best confidence...if she knew she was needed!
You said she wasnt allowed in the front yard where burgalars or theifs may wonder by...well with her locked in the back yard on a chain or in a inclosure, she really isnt doing her job very well. A dog for protection really needs to protect their own...inside! so they can check on ur kids, check on ur wife and be able to protect them in their time of need. A backyard really isnt protecting anyone! Just protecting your kids from coming in contact with her.
I personally dont care when my dogs push over a child...kids fall, they get cuts and bruises and they learn from them(hopefully) and move on. It's not life or death if they get knocked over unless onto a sharp object or something.
It's just control and training. I really dont think daisy could be anymore useless in the situation she is in with you. Im sorry Tim, but she isnt doing what you bought her to do, and she isnt getting the attention that she needs, so i would first go to the breeder, then def. give her to a boxer rescue.
Im also affraid your brother in law will just breed her.
Sorry if thats rude but i feel it to be the truth!

I'd rehome her. I think she'd be happier with your BIL.

Tim, do you have another dog? I thought you had a terrier of some sort. Or am I thinking of somebody else?

Good luck.

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Originally Posted by coco-bean

Im also affraid your brother in law will just breed her.
Sorry if thats rude but i feel it to be the truth!

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Whoa Tim, if she's not fixed, I would bring her to a Boxer Rescue organization. Forget the BIL.

I suggest rehoming her, and never getting another dog. Boxers are extremly hyper, they need a LOT of exersize and a LOT of training, I dont know how you can justify saying your dog is to hyper so you stuck her in a smaller kennel, and she is still to darn hyper..??? that just makes absolutly zero sence to me, obviously she is going to be getting out she's bored, she needs mental and physical stimulation. I dont suggest selling her to you brother in law as it sounds liike he intends to breed her. I suggest sending her to a boxer rescue. it seems to me the onl reason you really want a dog is to know you have one there so I siggest you head to the nearest toy store, buy one of those life sized dog stuffies, stick it in the kennel, wala you will have the assurence that you have a dog, it wont need attention, training or human interaction, and it wont jump on your kids.

Well, I don't see why you posted about this at all. What do you want from
us here at PT? Do you wanted to be reassured you are doing the right thing?
I really would like to know what we can do, other than the advice already
given re: training, making Daisy a real part of the family from the very start
would have solved many of the problems you are now having with her.

Like I said, you have your own opinions about the proper way to raise a
dog, and now are living with the consequences of your choices. What do
you want to hear from any of us?

If you do rehome Daisy, please, please contact a Boxer Rescue group. They
are full of people who know & love the breed.

Tim, not sure you really want advice but having 2 kids here's mine.

The choices you make toward your animals will shape your childrens perception on what is right and what is wrong. Treating your dog with respect and what is in her best interest will be a valuable lesson to your children. I truly believe that children that are taught to respect animals and treat them as part of the family grow up to be better humans.

Just my 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

Tim, not sure you really want advice but having 2 kids here's mine.

The choices you make toward your animals will shape your childrens perception on what is right and what is wrong. Treating your dog with respect and what is in her best interest will be a valuable lesson to your children. I truly believe that children that are taught to respect animals and treat them as part of the family grow up to be better humans.

Just my 2 cents.

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Amen sister!!

I, myself who has an outside dog as my mother refers to her, understand the outside dog situation, but if you had two small kids and you adopted a hyper breed like the Boxer, you should have known that it could be a risk to the kids.

Bring her to a rescue where she will be spayed before rehoming. Its better to find her a new home now than wait until she's older and less desirable. Besides, spending its life in a little fenced in patch of land is not the kind of life you should wish on any dog.

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I, myself who has an outside dog as my mother refers to her, understand the outside dog situation, but if you had two small kids and you adopted a hyper breed like the Boxer, you should have known that it could be a risk to the kids.

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I too have an "outside dog" at my dads house, merely because my dad says "No livestock in the house", "they belong outside so they can run and be free". but my dad also doesnt believe in caging so my doggie runs free, and personally i wouldnt have it any other way...FOR HER! she's old, doesnt like to be inside, during the winter if she is put in the garage at night, she will bark and bark and bark until the garage door is lifted so she can go in and out as she pleases. But she also comes home because she knows where her family is.
She was given attention outside so i do understand some of it, but what i do not understand is...if you have a dog that is outside, how do you know when its sick? or is hurt? or if no one has paid any attention to it, how do you know if theres a lump? You just DONT, and thats what also makes me very angry.
I know when my dogs are sick and dont feel well, i know how their skin feels...and i also know when each of them need to poop or pee, because im with them all the time, their my children and i dont see how people can treat their pets so terribly. Even if they feel it isnt bad, they dont know about their dog like those of us who have indoor pets.
very confusing to me!

My outside dog is allowed inside when the weather is severe, or sometimes I just bring her in because I want to. My mom doesn't object, she just doesn't want her inside full time. Anyways, that's getting off subject..

I thought the he got her for all the wrong reasons. I grew up with the mentality of no animals in the house but now that I'm on my own - I am passionately the OPPOSITE of that. That said my parents do allow my sister's dog and my dog in the house. Being well trained AND well loved makes a HUGE difference.
I notice he hasn't posted recently so I suspect that he is "put off" that we didn't agree with him and probably won't be back. I hope he finds a good home for Daisy via the boxer rescue and NOT with his brother in law where she would be a bitch for a back yard breeder or a puppy mill.
I understand that he has put a lot of HARD EARNED money into her - I am not disputing that. I think he works in the coal mines so I'm sure that $1000+ is alot to pay for anything. But while I don't work in the coal mines - I work hard for my hard earned money too (I work therefore it is hard earned) and I couldn't even BEGIN to imagine how much money I have in all 3 of these animals that are plopped right in front of me and one on each side of me right now. But I don't look at them and see dollar signs like apparently he does.
But the comment she will never come into my house b/c of my kids is a outdated and over used - My dog is 100000% better behaved than my sister's kids- I'm sure Tim's kids are well behaved maybe my sister just has heathens.
I have a lot more to say but along the lines of quoting Dr. Goodnow - his ears might melt off. And he isn't going to listen to us anyway b/c I am sure he has made up his mind - and I think he's made it clear the almighty dollar is worth more to him than teaching his kids about kindness to animal, responsibility, and the fact that pets aren't disposable. I'd be surprised if he comes back to read this anyway. I am really surprised he posted here anyway b/c he knew what kind of response he got when he posted about docking her ears.

Why is your brother-in-law willing to pay six hundred dollars for an untrained, ill mannered, destructive, escape artist? :confused:

Sure go ahead and sell her to him. After you've had her spayed. At least she'd have the experience of socialization with another dog before she's dumped again. :(

From what you've indicated it's not likely that there is an ethical breeder involved that would be willing to take her back and rehome her. If you care anything for the dog at all, contact a Boxer rescue and give her the chance she deserves to find a forever home where she will be loved and appreciated.

If given the opportunity; at only eight months of age she should be extremely trainable and will no doubt make someone a wonderful pet.

The sooner she is removed from her current situation--the better her chances will be!

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And i know some of u dont think any dog should be kept outside but to me its kinda like having gas, there are more room outside than in,lol.

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Like I said above - I think he knew exactly what response he was going to get and to the fact that he attributes owning a dog that is STUCK outside in all kinds of weather vs having gas shows how much he values the responsibility of owning an animal.
I really hope he learns from this and never gets another animal.

As I said earlier, I can't believe the people that come here for advice and then get all angry when it's not what they wanted to hear. Why ask if you don't have any intention of even listening? He'll probably have lots more dogs and he'll be teaching his children that pets are disposable. Very sad.

I'm not judging you as a person... but it seems like the "same old" story to me. I don't have time, she's way crazier than any other dog I've met, there are no trainers, etc. It doesn't even sound like a trainer is necessary. If you got a few good training books, and dedicated your spare time to exercising her, training her, and acclimating her to being gentle with children and being quiet in the house, you WILL almost certaintly have a well-behaved dog. NO dog learns manners on their own, while sitting in a backyard alone. It's NOT second nature for them to be well-behaved, calm, and obedient. That has to be taught, and honestly it isn't rocket science.

There are reasons that a dog relentlessly tries to escape. In Daisy's case, she is escaping out of sheer boredom & lack of exercising/training. Imagine if you had to sit in a pen 24/7. You would go a little crazy and make escape attempts, too. If you want to keep her, I recommend giving her 1 hour of active off-leash exercise a day, as many walks as you possibly can, 15-30 minutes of training, and spending as much time with her (outside presumably) as possible. You should also provide her with stimulating toys (Kongs, treat balls, chews, etc) while she's alone, so she has something to occupy her time with. Dogs do not want to be alone, even if that means they're sleeping in a crate in your room. They WILL keep on escaping through anything you set up, to look for you. As far as not being in the house because of the kids... my sister has 2 girls, ages 1 & 4. My dogs are AWESOME with them, and all of them get along wonderfully. My dogs are also great with my 5 year-old little brother, they all hang out in the house together and the dogs nor the kids have ever hurt or scared each other. It's about supervision, and teaching manners (to the dogs and the kids).

If that doesn't seem *worth it* to you, find her a home that DOES have plenty of time to train her & will allow her inside with the family.

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I'm not judging you as a person... but it seems like the "same old" story to me. I don't have time, she's way crazier than any other dog I've met, there are no trainers, etc. It doesn't even sound like a trainer is necessary. If you got a few good training books, and dedicated your spare time to exercising her, training her, and acclimating her to being gentle with children and being quiet in the house, you WILL almost certaintly have a well-behaved dog. NO dog learns manners on their own, while sitting in a backyard alone. It's NOT second nature for them to be well-behaved, calm, and obedient. That has to be taught, and honestly it isn't rocket science.

There are reasons that a dog relentlessly tries to escape. In Daisy's case, she is escaping out of sheer boredom & lack of exercising/training. Imagine if you had to sit in a pen 24/7. You would go a little crazy and make escape attempts, too. If you want to keep her, I recommend giving her 1 hour of active off-leash exercise a day, as many walks as you possibly can, 15-30 minutes of training, and spending as much time with her (outside presumably) as possible. You should also provide her with stimulating toys (Kongs, treat balls, chews, etc) while she's alone, so she has something to occupy her time with. Dogs do not want to be alone, even if that means they're sleeping in a crate in your room. They WILL keep on escaping through anything you set up, to look for you. As far as not being in the house because of the kids... my sister has 2 girls, ages 1 & 4. My dogs are AWESOME with them, and all of them get along wonderfully. My dogs are also great with my 5 year-old little brother, they all hang out in the house together and the dogs nor the kids have ever hurt or scared each other. It's about supervision, and teaching manners (to the dogs and the kids).

If that doesn't seem *worth it* to you, find her a home that DOES have plenty of time to train her & will allow her inside with the family.

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well put tho I still think we are falling on deaf ears if he does come back.
You have to train and discipline the dog just like you do your children. You had to teach your children to walk, talk, eat, dress, brush their teeth. Guess what? They didn't just KNOW how to do this YOU had to TEACH them!

On the training thing.. you may have a busy schedule, but if a 14 year old (me) can house train and teach a dog manners, I think you could, too.