After closer observation thanks to comments from other PTers, this looks like another round of PETA's bullpoop. It might still be interesting food for thought, so I left the link up. :)
www.addictedtolife.net/mydeadflicka
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After closer observation thanks to comments from other PTers, this looks like another round of PETA's bullpoop. It might still be interesting food for thought, so I left the link up. :)
www.addictedtolife.net/mydeadflicka
Oh man! I too wanted to see this movie. Now after reading this, no way!
That's pretty rude. I can't get over people who make these statements up. This just sounds like another PETA organization to me. Accidents happen - and yes, these accidents shouldn't have happened - but they're not unusual accidents.Quote:
Tim McGraw is a rodeo supporter who has performed at many rodeos and is clearly a fan of this kind of animal abuse
I've heard of lots of times where a horse "missteps" and injures itself so badly, it needs to be put down. If a horse steps on it's on rope/bridle/whatever, it can break it's jaw.
Many movies have wild horse races - tons of older westen movies have many in their movies.Quote:
They should have disallowed an event so inherently dangerous and uncontrollable from taking place to begin with
Maybe AHA should have stepped in sooner - they could have prevented these deaths.
(PS - everything I have said it my freely spoken opinion, please do not attack me or ask me to justify my statements because I don't need to)
Bc mom you're right. It does sound like something PETA would say.
I agree. And they cant honestly think that people will belive that video is of the same rodeo. Thats why they have it in 5 different sections...:rolleyes: One of them is even a totally different colour. Not to mention they are ALL different horses...Quote:
That's pretty rude. I can't get over people who make these statements up. This just sounds like another PETA organization to me. Accidents happen - and yes, these accidents shouldn't have happened - but they're not unusual accidents.
I bet they are some how connected to PETA.
The two horses arent dead from this.Quote:
extras and bystanders who witnessed what happened on the set have gone public about the animal abuse that occurred, including animals being struck and punched to make them "perform." Now two horses are dead, and there is concern that more may follow.
And I doubt they actually punched the horses. Although its not nice to think about, the horse would have felt it only a little due to all the muscle surrounding there bodies.
Thats why we can use crops on them (and they arent cruel I know most PTer's who ride use one).
I'm sure when I had Trigger it looked like Ive punched him , but I havnt Ive smacked him under his belly to make him smarten up thats it. Maybe these people saw it from the wrong angle.
Right there shows me that if there were FOUR members of the AHA there then nothing intendly cruel was done to them. They wouldnt have let it happen.Quote:
Four employees of the American Humane Association (AHA) were reportedly on the movie set prior and during the filming of the rodeo scene.
I am surprised that this story is just being circulated now
This happened at an equestrian park a few miles from my house during the filiming.
I do not blame Mc Graw......
I blame the film crew and company that produced the film.
It's just another sucky Hollywood thing that happens with movies about animals.
Like the run on pets after a Hollywood movie...
EXCELLENT point, Alicia!!! It's NOT animal cruelty to "punch" (as they call it) a horse. Do you guys know how hard you have to kick some horses to get them to walk forward? These are tough, tough animals we're talking about. It sounds cruel, but it's not whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttercup132
I agree that this sounds like an activist ploy. If you look on the bottom left hand corner, there is PETA -- they seem to be in on this one together.
My riding instructor used to "punch" our horses. Some of the horses were very stubborn so she'd give them a good smack or a kick to smarten them up or get them going. It's a huge animal, it's not like it's getting hurt. Accidents happen -- Get a that many horses together and something is bound to go wrong eventually.
Ever since Disney made a movie pushing hundreds of rodents of a cliff (forgot what they're called) a law was enforced that made the Humane Society be at every single movie shooting with animals. The website about abusing the horses in the making of Flicka was probably a hoax.
I think it is all Crap!! For one they are going by the words of a disgruntled employee! and second the website is hosted by Sharkonline, hmmm....How believeable do they sound to you? A mis-step can happen at any moment and cause a horse to be put down, it is unfortunately a sad part of owning a horse! And a horse tripping over its own rope happens alot as well, that could have been prevented depending on the circumstances, but another horse trampling it, kind of hard to stop a 1500lb animal from doing what it wants! things happen and yes it is sad, but i think this website is just looking to cause problems! I think that there is absolutely no truth to it whatsoever! I will go and see the movie. and I will enjoy it!!!
Well, after reading all your posts, I deleted mine. I was infuriated by what I read but didn't realize PETA was involved. After knowing THAT, I see it all more clearly.
"Punching" a horse sounds so cruel though. But since I don't know much about horses other than I think they are such beautiful, gentle animals, I'd appreciate it if anyone can enlighten me.
I thought it was bad too intil like everone esle I saw that PETA was involved :rolleyes:
agreed this website sounds extremist. Horses are HUGE animals and they can be stubborn. many things on ranches actually seem cruel till you are actually out there doing it, I have heard the same stuff about stockdog training, to an outsider it seems cruel as the trainers yell at, hit the dogs and smack poles in front of the dogs, even I thought that way..till I was actually out there in the feild training my dogs on sheep, suddenly I understood that these things were needed, its not cruel its the only way to get their attention.
I mean has anyone seen what happens to animals in the orginal "My Friend Flicka"(1943)? I mean its a good movie but imagine actually being on the set working with these animals.
I always try to find several reputable sources of information that all agree on the same story before I believe things on the internet ... or anywhere for that matter.
You can pretty much always find a website that backs up any point of view in the world ... and then you can easily find the polar opposite.
Some pleasure horses can be 5000 pounds. Take a 125 pound girl and get her to tap a horse with her finger. The horse won't even feel it. Get her to nudge it in the side to walk on, it won't work on all horses. Get her to kick it harder, the horse calmly walks on. Smacking and punching a horse would be like a tap to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by moosmom
It's hard to explain unless you actually ride.
Is there any proof of all this? :confused:
I kinda wanted to see that movie..I still might.
Yes, looking at PETA's involvement now, it does seem pretty extreme. It still irks me that fox lied about the two horses' deaths, but I also don't know a lot about horses, so I can see how this might have happened.
Bleh, PETA contorts everything so semi-convincingly. Editing the OP...
as a rule I stay away from the dog house...
as a rule I stay away from PETA
but this was brought to my attention on another site.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
When you see cruelty cases or hear about them of someone punching a dog or a cat wich wiegh between 10-90 pounds yes you imagine it being terrible. Now transfering that to a 5000 pound animal of pure muscle by a normal weight person to the horse its just a smack like mother would do to tell her kid to straighten up. Except the "kid" is way bigger then the "mom". Hope that made sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by moosmom
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
I personally think that this site is just as bad as PETA except for the opposite reason. I came across it once and saw a picture of dead rabbits spelling out the word PETA on that site....
I second that. Im SO sick of PETA.Quote:
I will go and see the movie. and I will enjoy it!!!
I remember the first time I saw a Clydesdale. I was in awe. I asked the trainer, "Would he mind if he petted him?" (He was asleep.) His trainer replied, "I don't think he'd notice."Quote:
Originally Posted by BC_MoM
Love, Columbine
I understand where you are coming from.:) However, it is only hitting the horse in certain areas that will not produce a painful reaction. For example, many people believe a riding crop is cruel, but when used properly, it's simply an extra leg. It should only be used to give a sharp tap just behind the girth or on the shoulder to remind a horse who's boss. When it is used with serious force, or in other areas such as the legs, back or hindquarters, that is cruel as it causes pain. Hence if you smack a horse in these areas it would produce the same result.Quote:
Originally Posted by BC_MoM
Back on topic, it does sound a little fishy to me on both parts. I don't think I will watch that film.
Thanks for clarifying it, Buttercup. I also read the link that Staci posted about PETA, and signed the petition to have their 501(c)(3) status revoked. I've never liked PETA. Although I do believe everyone has a right to freedom of speech and expression, PETA is way too far left wing for me.
Like most of you, I believe that they are over exagerating. I really don't need to add much more to this, as most of you already said it.
I saw the movie and it was a really good story. My aunt started bawling her eyes out!
We're going to see the movie and we are looking forward to it.
I probably won't see the movie in theaters, seeing as I'm broke. But I will rent it. :)
Donna, I spent a lot of time around horses growing up. You really do have to be physical with them to get their attention. I've personally had to shove or "punch" a horse to get it to move or keep it from crushing me into a fence or wall. Especially when working around draft horses.
One of my first experiences with a horse, I was feeding my friend's Arab and forgot to keep my palm flat. Next thing I know, my fingers are in his mouth and he's not letting go. I tried prying his mouth open, slapping his nose, nothing worked. I cried out to my friend who told me to punch him in the cheek. My reaction was, :eek: . I told her I didn't want to hurt him.
She came over, gave him a swift sock in the cheek and he let go of my fingers. Slightly bruised but thankfully not broken. The Arab gave my friend a look like, 'What was that for?' and then went back to trying to find food in my pockets. :rolleyes: :p :D
Kimmy, if it makes you feel any better, I'm sure Scott and I will be waiting on the DVD to watch it. We rarely go to the movies. Too expensive and too much sitting at one time! I like the "pause" button so I can get up and move around! LOL!!!
I hear ya! :D Even matinee prices around here are getting rediculous.
We tend to go to only go to the big blockbuster flicks that we anticipate (like Star Wars, LOTR, "the super hero flicks", ect.), everything else we wait until video. :)
Our cheap-seats used to be $1.75 - they moved to a new location and it's now $4.45 - only 1/2 the price of the expensive theater which is $8.75.
I always hid my own popcorn from home in my bags - I ain't spending another $10 on stuff from the theater!
I'm probably not going to see it anyways, but that website is a bit crazy. I ride horses, and there are some that just seem to have no nerves. My percheron, for example, he's the most dense thing ever! It is nearly impossible to get him to move without a crop or small spurs. So I can see how they could easily mistake it as "abuse", seeing as if the horse is stubborn, it may look like you're beating it to someone who's never ridden a horse like that. As for the deaths, that's very sad, but that is the problem with these kinds of things. We take an animal and make it do something that could easily get it hurt. I'm still probably not going to see the movie. Not really my type of movie.