Well Im Taking Daisy Monday For Her Ear Cropping, It Was Gong To Be Friday But The Vet Cant Do It Then So I Had I To Move It Up.i Got These Pictures Today Will Be The Last Ones Of Her With Her Big Ears.
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Well Im Taking Daisy Monday For Her Ear Cropping, It Was Gong To Be Friday But The Vet Cant Do It Then So I Had I To Move It Up.i Got These Pictures Today Will Be The Last Ones Of Her With Her Big Ears.
She's such a cute dog, I don't understand why you would choose to cut her ears like that. There's no medical purpose to it, it's done simply for cosmetic reasons. :( Why can't she keep the ears she was born with?
=*( I sooo love the floppy ears. I didn't do Crackers, and Ginger's were done before I got her. I hope she comes through okay, have you told your vet not to let them use acepromazine on her? Boxers are prone to their hearts stopping with the use of acepromazine, and they have other preanesthetics they can use, so I would not back down. I know someone whose puppy died from that in surgery for an ear crop. Not trying to scare you, but it is important. Boxers are more prone to it than other breeds. I'm afraid I just can't cut off their ears, for me I just don't see a need to cause needless pain that doesn't help her health at all. I love the floppy look.
http://www.vetinfo.com/dogace.html
http://www.boxerbuddies.org/Boxer%20...epromazine.htm
http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/boxer/boxerhealth.htm
TO B HONEST ONE OF THE REASONS I BOUGHT HER IS BECAUSE I WORK 3rd SHIFT IN THE COAL MINES, AND FOR SOME REASON PEOPLE R SCARED TO DEATH OF BOXERS AROUND HERE ANYWAY. AND I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THEIR EARS CROPPED MAKE THEM LOOK MEANER AND THAT IS ONE REASON. PERSONALLY I JUST LIKE THE LOOK AND THINK THAT A BOXER DOESNT LOOK LIKE A BOXER WITHOUT IT, ALTHOUGH I HAVE NEVER SEEN A WHITE BOXER WITH THEIR EARS CUT. I DONT KNOW WHY, A GUY THAT LIVES DOWN THE ROAD HAS A WHITE ONE AND DIDNT GET THEM CUT IS THERE ANY CERTAIN REASON FOR THIS OR IS IT THAT I HAVE JUST NOT SEEN ONE. I WILL POST SOME PICTURES WHEN SHE GETS THEM DONE.
I find it really sad that people think they have to chop their dogs ears off to look like the breed were born as. There are plenty of boxers without cropped ears, of every color.
Would you let somebody cut off your ears because they thought it looked better? :(
I'm sorry, but I will never understand why people choose to do that to their dogs. No reason is a valid one in my opinion.
Well all i have to say is that it is her choice! If that is what she wants then so be it! why give her a hard time, its not your dog. I dont understand why it has to be a huge issue! To each their own!
Yes it is timlewis's choice. It's just too bad the dog doesn't get a choice.
I won't post any more in this thread, I know cropping is a debated topic on PT, it just makes me sad that it is still an accepted practice here.
In boxers, all-white is a discouraged color. I would assume that people in the show world wouldn't want to spend the money it costs to crop on pet-quality dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by timlewis
I have 2 boxers; both have natural ears.
In making your decision, please keep in mind that cropping doesn't necessarily mean that the ear will stand. You might end up with a cropped but floppy-eared pup.
I couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by wolf_Q
Awww, she's such a cute puppy! :)
These days, cropping is something most often done on show puppies. White boxers can not be shown, so there is no point getting them done.Quote:
Originally Posted by timlewis
In all honesty, I'm worried for your puppy. While it is your choice to crop, your puppy is underweight -- an underweight dog going under anasthetic is very dangerous. I don't know how old she is, but a boxer puppy should not be cropped after 9 weeks of age.
Remember that cropping a puppy's ears has alot of downsides --- there will be several weeks of constant upkeep. I recommend you do alot of research on different taping techniques. There are so many different ways to do it and it takes only one small mistake to make the ears flop over. You will need to cone the puppy because he may try to itch his ears. There are things that can go wrong during the surgery so get a vet that is very experienced with cropping ears. Occasionally the ears don't match or they are cut too short. Remember that is is very very painful, and the pain will last for a long time so you need to constantly keep drugging him. He may be very touchy about his ears and continue this behaviour into adulthood, so you have to watch him carefully around children as he may be prone to bite them if they come in contact with his ears.
If someone wants a dog with upright ears because it makes them look mean, why didn't they just buy a dog with upright ears? :confused:
Daisy is a very cute dog and it's entirely up to you whether or not you get your Boxer's ears cropped. Personally, I think puppy and adult Boxers look cuter with their floppy ears. And I agree with you, cropped ears do look meaner.
But I wish you and Daisy the best and I hope everything works out right for you and that there are no problems.
Wow.... it does not at all make a Boxer look mean... they aren't mean in the first place, eathier. I can't believe you would do such a thing... :( :(
SHE IS GORGEOUS JUST THE WAY SHE IS.
Please don't crop her ears!! She's adorable just the way she is. It will really serve no purpose. :(
She's a beautiful dog. Good luck with the ear cropping. It won't make her look mean, but, if you want to crop her ears, just be sure to take good care of them, it's a lot of work! People botch up those cropping jobs all the time, and, it really messes up the dog's appearance. There's absolutely nothing uglier than a dog with a jacked up ear cropping job. I'm personally against it, anyway, as I think it's an outdated practice, but, again, if you're going to do it, just make sure it's done correctly and that you put the time and effort into the maintenance. Good luck.
NOOO dont crop the ears! they are so cute! I honestly think this puppy would be much more beautiful without the cropping! She doesnt need to be mean! she's gorgeous! the reason for cropping i think it's not the best in the world, i mean for that purpose of her looking meaner, could possibly lead to acting meaner(if you choose to train her that way) then she'll just be added to the bad name they have already! i honestly hope you choose not to do it! best of luck to you in whatever you choose to do! and if you do choose to, i hope her healing goes quick and painless for her!
If you must have it done, do your research now and find a vet that has experience and you completely trust. Weigh the pros and cons of pysically mutilating your defensless puppy. Once you get it done there's no going back. You are going to put your puppy through a POINTLESS surgery, surgery that won't benefit the pup in ANY way. A surgery that will lead to a painful recovery, who would EVER want to put their pup through it if they don't have to?? It boggles my mind. The surgery is costly, is it not? I've read that it's usually $80-$200, this could EASILY be spent in ways that BENEFIT your puppy! I understand that cropping her ears is totally your choice, and I respect that. I honestly don't think it'll make her look mean at all, and I really like the way she looks now.
And just like wolfsoul said...If you wanted a dog with pointy ears...you should've bought a dog with pointy ears in the first place :(
I think her ears look adorable floppy. Of course you are her human and you have the freedom to do whatever you want. :) I would be a hippocrit if I said that all dogs should remain untouched as I do not like natural long tails on poodles. To each his own. What is most important to me with any dog is that they are loved and well cared for. :)
I just wanted to say, Daisy looks better than in the last pic's I saw of her. She looks like she may have gained a pound or 2......As for the ear thing that is your choice......However there have been some good points raised. Please take Vella's advise in regards to anasthetic (sp?) and if you haven't done so already please (as Wolfsoul said) do some research on the subject. We had Dobermans' when I was a kid and I can remember all the work my parents put into them for a long while after the cropping........Best of luck for Daisy on whatever decision you make :)
I personally like floppy ears better! She is adorable just like she is. I pray that if she does have the surgery, that she makes it through it with no complications!
i dont think he needs to be judged, its his own personal decisan. I think she will be beautiful either way..good luck :)
She is a beautiful pup, and we hope if you have your mind made up, she is a good girl, and the vet does the job carefully and well. Wouldn't want that sweetie to be in an unnecessary pain.
I'd say it's too bad people in your area think Boxers are mean, but as you have her to be your alarm system days when you are sleeping off your shift, perhaps it is just as well that your neighbors are "deluded" in that case. The boxers I have been know were dangerously enthusiastic at times, but that's about it!
Thanks everyone, for stating opinions but keeping things civil.
Well, I think cropped ears are beautiful on appropriate breeds like Boxers, Danes, and especially Dobermans. I think it gives Dobermans an exceptionally regal and streamlined look. Cropping was not a pointless "cosmetic surgery" years ago, although the need for shortly cropped ears is definitely no longer an issue since today's dogs are not used for vicious sports (usually).
To each his own. Good luck with the surgery and be diligant about taping!!
I agree --- I think that cropped ears make the dog appear much sharper and smarter. I don't agree with cropping, but I do think cropped ears look better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giselle
I can see why the majority of show people crop ears --- because the ones with uncropped ears just don't win. You'll never see a North American Best in Show boxer with uncropped ears. It just wouldn't happen. So I understand the breeder's point of view, who want their dogs to do alot of winning. If I were in the situation of being a show breeder of a cropped breed, I think I'd like to have some cropped and some uncropped dogs -- it's alot more fun trying to be the owner of the very first best in show uncropped dog than it is to automatically win with a nice looking cropped dog. So I do have mixed feelings. In all honesty I wish that all of the registries would ban cropping altogether. It's original puprose was for the working dog -- but then we get situations like these, where it's only used to make the dog look mean. So why bother anymore? If the registries did ban it, it would certainly prove which dogs come from irresponsible breeders and which dogs are being used for fighting. Of course their are the legitimate working dogs, but those are so far and few apart I can't imagine it effecting a huge portion of the canine population.
Just some of my thoughts. I don't think that trying to make a dog look mean is a very legitimate reason to crop it's ears. I understand that was why Louis Dobermann started cropping his dogs ears, but this was a different day and age, and mutilation was thought of much differently then. These days there are so many different breeds to choose from -- alot of them already have upright ears. I understand that they might not all have the "sharp" look of a cropped ear...But if it's a pet puppy, not a show or working puppy, looks shouldn't be that important, should they?
I debated a lot about having Tysons ears done or not. I finally decided not to becouse of the way he plays with the other dogs , very energetic and some times a little rough. He also looks so silly with his ears a floppy . I just love my boxer clown!! Around here we have way to many Pit bulls that they cut the ears to try to hide the fact they are pitties (shameful) . Plus i wasn't going to show him except in obediance so I left them. I since then have discovered i like the uncropped ears. She is still very young do take time and think about it. I also echo find a vet who has done lots of them, ask to see others hes done. I have seen several really butchered jobs.
i agree with a lot of what Jordan is saying. when i got my great dane's ears cropped i was really glad i did my research on how to do the after care. (i'm not for or against your choice to crop your dogs ears. i would definatly get more weight on her before she goes to surgery) after care has a great deal with hiw the ears turn out. there will be many days of smelly sticky taped ears. it's tough to hold down your pup while pulling the tape off and putting it back on. if the tape is on too tight it could cut off the circulation and the ear can rot and fall off. that is extreamly painful for the puppy.
Good Luck and let us know how it all goes. if you need any help on how to do after care or anything else just ask. :)
Well it's not true that a Boxer pup can't be cropped after 9 weeks of age; however, it it advisable not to do it after 12 weeks because the ear cartilage starts to change. If it's not done before 12 weeks then you stand a good chance of the ears not standing. As they teethe and then grow adult teeth the cartilage changes. The aftercare is the hard part, and it honestly can take up to a year to get them to stand properly. I do not choose to do it, and I prefer the floppy look, but to each their own. She has gained weight and looks appropriate for a boxer puppy of her age. I just hope everything goes okay but DO the reasearch on the ACE, it could be harmful to her. I hope the vet does a good job, I have seen some really bad ones. Boxer's certainly aren't mean, they are wonderful. Good luck with that.
Exactly... to each their own, we all have our own opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by critter crazy
If we don't understand why people would chop their dogs ears off we feel the need to ask why.
In my own opinion I think it's sad, I could never chop a part of my dogs body off.
I do not agree with ear cropping or tail docking, but I am not going to force someone to agree with me! If this is what the owner wants, then so Be it! What can you do?
Thank You For All Your Opinions, First Of All Some Call Me A Her Im A Guy Lol. The Reason For Me Getting Them Cropped Is Not Because I Want Her To Be Mean, She Is A Family Pet And Will Be A Very Very Tame Sweet Girl As She Already Is.but As I Said I Work 3rd Shift In The Coal Mines, The Reason For Making Her Look Meaner Is Not To Fight Her Or To Train Her Mean But Simply To Look Mean. Although They Are Not Mean Dogs People Look At Them As Just That And Im Glad Because I Have A 2 Year Old And A 5 Year Old And I Want Her To Look Mean While Im At Work Keep People Away From My House Wife And Kids. And She Is Not At All Under Weight A Boxer Is A Thin Framed Dog, I Have Took A Lot Of Your Advice And Upped Her Food, She Has Gained 6 Pound In 3 Weeks And Looks Exactly Like She Should. 9 Weeks Old Is Not The Right Age To Crop Ears And Not Before, It Should Be Done Between 11 And 13 Weeks Of Age. Daisy Will Be 11 Weeks 1 Day Before It Will Be Done, And I Do Love My Puppy But Unlike Some People I Do Not Look At A Dog Or Any Animal As A Human. They Do Have Feelings And They Do Have Pain And I Will Take As Good Of Care As I Possibly Can, But To Compare Her To A Human Is Not Sensible. Anyway I Will Do My Research And Daisy Will Be Given The Best Care Possible Before During And After. And This Is My Opion Of It, And I Do Respect All Of Yours And I Think You For Posting Them. I Will Post Some Pics Of Her After It Is Done.
I also agree that she does not look underweight for a Boxer puppy. Eleven weeks is a good time frame to do it in. That should be a good time frame, before the cartilage changes for good. The latest I have heard of a puppy having a successful ear crop was 16 weeks, but like ou said it's best to do it before that, and 11-12 weeks is about right. Hope everything goes okay.
Dogs are not little people in fur coats? ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by timlewis
Good luck, sweet girl! And to you too, sir, with her aftercare. I understand why you want a dog that looks a little intimidating, but that you are not trying to make her mean. She will hopefully feel very protective of your children.
When we lived in the city, the neighbor kids were always in our yard retrieving their baseballs, I worried they would leave the gate open & our husky would run off, or that someone would take her on purpose. We got a companion pup for her who was part rottie. She grew up to be the sweetest funniest dog I've ever seen, but she had a bark & growl that would send people running! Plus she looked very rottie, and was black, which seems to scare people too. If you approached the gate at night, you wouldn't see her standing right there, but man did she sound scarey. I never saw the neighbor kids anywhere near the fence or in our yard again.
Best of luck little Daisy......She is a little sweetie.....Good for you Timlewis for doing the proper reseach to keep her healthy and happy......I hope all goes well for both of you!!!!
I understand why you would like your dog to look more intimidating, you love your children and wife very much and I respect that. Lots of people would still find a Boxer a little frightening with their ears down because they're still a Boxer nonetheless. But good luck and I hope everything works out great for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by timlewis
Glad to hear the weight gain , I have a hard time keeping Tyson at weight as he is so busy. Moves all the time even in his crate at night he throws his body around.
If dogs are humans in fur coats I have a cross between Mohammd Ali and Bozo the clown.I love that girls white face.
i love the look also. what a cutie. good luck with ur surgery! cant wait to see the new pics! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by timlewis
Goodluck Baby! I LOVE her markings! I think she'll look good before and after. How are you getting them done, traditional style or show style? I'm sure you know about the upkeep with the ears. If you get them done long and thin (show style) there is a good chance on them falling down if you don't keep up with the taping and stabilising. You might have to go back and re-tape at about 16-18 months to make sure they stand. I guss the surgury is already done now so you couldn't ask for traditional, shorter more triangular ears so the taping will be easier. Be sure to post taped pics! I love the way pups look with their tape on. :)
I too like the look of cropped ears I will be doing it to my Dane when I get him.
The whole makign it to make her look meaner is stupid I think. Why would you try and make people think the breed is mean?? Would you want what happened to our sweet pits to happen to Boxers?
It things like this that turn people on the breed and start blaming them for things they didnt do. I would do it to my Dane because I love the look and think it makes them look regal and I am hoping to show my dog.
To Be Blunt I Dont Care What People Think About The Breed As Long As It Helps Keep My Family Safe, My Boxer Is Sweet And I Will Raise Her That Way But The Meaner People Tink She Is The Safer My Family Will Be And The Happier I Will Be.