ahem....back to evolution...among other things.....
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oh, I see.....you are perfect. sorry, didnt know who I was dealin with here. Plus i did post it a few posts later. check the facts
Originally posted by IttyBittyKitty: Back to the point of the use of the word "Racism"versus "Bigotry" or "Prejudice." I would, myself, have no qualms in using the word "Racism" in describing anti-semitism as Jewish people were, as Semetic peoples, racially distinct from other Caucasians before the Holocaust. This ancestry has been diluted somewhat since, but it still remains and many Jews bear the unique phsyical characteristics associated with that race.
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I am a bit confused by this meaning?
Being Jewish is a religion and not a race: Check your
main stream History books and Encyclopedia.
The first Christians were Jewish.
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I agree with ittybitty kitty. Historians and theologians have traditionally viewed the jewish peoples as both a distinct race AND a distinct religion.
And I personally would consider someone who dislikes a jewish person based on the fact that they are jewish a racist.
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Originally posted by IttyBittyKitty: Back to the point of the use of the word "Racism"versus "Bigotry" or "Prejudice." I would, myself, have no qualms in using the word "Racism" in describing anti-semitism as Jewish people were, as Semetic peoples, racially distinct from other Caucasians before the Holocaust. This ancestry has been diluted somewhat since, but it still remains and many Jews bear the unique phsyical characteristics associated with that race.
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Originally posted by KYS:
I am a bit confused by this meaning?
Being Jewish is a religion and not a race: Check your
main stream History books and Encyclopedia.
The first Christians were Jewish.
lotr.
thanks for answering my questions i found your answers to be polite and chockfull of ......of.......of....
hey wait a second....you didn't say ANYTHING!!!!
sorry.
Wow, what an un-christian like attitude.Quote:
Originally posted by lotrfreak
oh, I see.....you are perfect. sorry, didnt know who I was dealin with here. Plus i did post it a few posts later. check the facts
Hmmmm.....
parts quoted from The Encyclopedia Americana
(I appolized for the "now politically incorrect" for colors)
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Their is no such thing as a pure race per anthroplogists.
Blumembach who is the founder of anthropology in 1775
established 5 human races which differed in skin color.
Caucasion or white, Mongolian or yellow, Ethopian or black,
American or Red, Malayan or brown.
Very freqentley many individual humans could not be classified
as any one race.
incert: It would appear that anybody is intitled to
create races to suit their fancy. This prostitution of the race
concept reach it's peak in Nazi Germany.......................>>>>>
P.S. I am sadden that anyone could hate somebody simply
because of their religion or skin color.
Timing... I'm watching last night's Law and Order:SVU".... anyway, there's a baby with tay sachs.... the doctor says: tay sachs is primarily limited to certain ethnic groups, jewish, ...
anyway, it got me to thinking of the difference between 'race' and "ethnic group"....
any thoughts?
If you are indeed a so called christian, then please start acting like one,you are however HUMAN, i guess when someone is attacking your beliefs or opinions as you see it, you are going to react, but if you must preach, then practice what you PREACH ok
I have checked many history books on this matter, and other historical matters, having studied university history whilst still in high school and having a continued interest in this (and other) historical subjects. I didn't continue on as there are approximately zero jobs for arts graduates in this country.Quote:
Originally posted by KYS
Originally posted by IttyBittyKitty: Back to the point of the use of the word "Racism"versus "Bigotry" or "Prejudice." I would, myself, have no qualms in using the word "Racism" in describing anti-semitism as Jewish people were, as Semetic peoples, racially distinct from other Caucasians before the Holocaust. This ancestry has been diluted somewhat since, but it still remains and many Jews bear the unique phsyical characteristics associated with that race.
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I am a bit confused by this meaning?
Being Jewish is a religion and not a race: Check your
main stream History books and Encyclopedia.
The first Christians were Jewish.
Up until very recent times, the Jewish people remained a distinct race as persecution was very successful in preventing them from mixing with other races. The idea of segregation, or "Ghettoes," was not unique to Nazi Germany. It is a practice that is centuries old. The Nazis, in particular, persecuted the Jews on a basis of their racial difference to the Aryans - the idea that, as jews, they were a "sub-human" people.
Even today, it is acknowledged that Jews still have unique characteristic. One example is their intelligence - a characteristic for which they were often persecuted, as they were seen as "cunning" rather than simply shrewd.
I recently saw a Discovery program about a researcher who was DNA mapping humans from all over the world. I can’t remember the name of the program, I think it was “The Journey of Man”. He was trying to find out when ancient man migrated from Africa, and which routes they took and when.
Apparently there were two main migrations, one about 40000 years ago, and another much later, possibly 20000 to 15000 years ago. It seems that the ancestors of the present population of Europe didn’t come straight up from Africa, but moved first into central Asia and China before moving on to Europe later. He found a man in the middle of Asia whose DNA could be traced back 2000 generations, that’s to say about 40000 years. Some family tree he must have!
He concluded the program by stating that since we all originate from the same original people, we are, of course, in actual fact all the same race. We have just evolved differently. So the whole idea of racism is nonsense.
I’m no expert on this subject, but do feel that it gives food for thought.
(he he, I managed to get the words “racism” and “evolved” in the same post!) :D
i am sorry.. i got out of line, but its the way i said it that i am sorry about not what i said
Very impressive!;) :DQuote:
Originally posted by jonza
(he he, I managed to get the words “racism” and “evolved” in the same post!) :D
I'm not Jewish, but I think that non-Jews CAN convert to Judaism, it's just not always looked highly upon. Correct me if I'm wrong, that's just what I've heard.Quote:
Originally posted by popcornbird
I always thought of most Jews as being part of the same race. From what I know (correct me if I'm wrong) non-Jews cannot convert to Judhism because Jews are supposedly the *chosen* people, and people outside of them can't covert to the religion, which is why the Jewish population is SO tiny especially comparing to other monotheist religions (Islam and Christianity) both of which welcome new converts because they believe that God's guidance is for all of mankind. This is what I've heard all my life so I'm unsure of this. I know there are American/European Jews, but I believe they all originate (from thousands of years)from the same *race* which is from Israel. I always heard that today's Jews are from the generations of the followers of Prophet Moses, so the same people/same race, just going down in generations and spread out. :confused: Again, I'm not sure of this but this is what I've always heard. I'll look for resources later.
I would think that Jews could definatly convert into whatever they want, I mean it's not a law, it's a choice and they are allowed to be whatever they want :confused:
This thread has totally turned itself around lol
I don't know much about races and stuff, but I know quite alot about the haullocaust, and the Nazis attacks on Jewish people (read The Cage by Ruth Minsky, it's very educational, while interesting, and a true story). I've also seen real footage of it, and after that, nothing is bad. If you were to look upon those people and see how thin they were :eek: They were all skin and bones :eek:
I also read in some big book that every songle person on this earth had to at some point descended from atleast one black woman. I thought that was very interesting :D I also think that most of us probably carry other races, and we don't even know it, and that our ancestors have different religions that we never knew about. :)
Sorry if I got off-topic, this thread is getting rather confusing, and I'm pretty sure that I'm talking about what everyone else is now lol...
I am pretty sure people can convert and be a "Jew" in the religious sense, but I don't think they will actually be Jew as in the Jews and the Gentiles.
Back to evolution. You keep telling me to prove that God created the earth, sun, the moon, etc. And you also kep telling me I am stubborn and wont listen to other peoples thoughts. You havent tried to prove to me how evolution is/was exsistent.
We are doing the exact oppisite! Everyone is saying to you that you can't prove anything, not a single person asked you to give us proof that God created the Earth, because there is no proof, and everyone here is smart enought to know that. There is only evidence to everything, no proof, that is why no one is trying to give you proof of evolution. They have given you the evidence, there is no proof to give, what more do you want?Quote:
Back to evolution. You keep telling me to prove that God created the earth, sun, the moon, etc. And you also kep telling me I am stubborn and wont listen to other peoples thoughts. You havent tried to prove to me how evolution is/was exsistent.
I respect your opinion, but I still can't see it as proof. If it was proof, scientists wouldn't be searching for an answer, other people wouldn't be searching, everyone would know what is real, because proof splits apart the unknown and the known reality.
I can only see it as evidence, because no one can truly know..
The Bible and science contradict eachother in many ways. Where science says there is proof, there may only be evidence, where the Bible says there is proof, there may only be evidence. It's hard to know anything about anything that happened so long ago. I truly hope that one day people can know what the truth really is.
Well, everyone will know the truth and have their proof when they die. I guess we'll have to wait and see and I for one am not in a big hurry to find out.
Ah, I get it now :DQuote:
Originally posted by popcornbird
Wasn't talking about the Bible. :) Even faithful scientist enjoy studying. Science really shows what amazing things God has created and how He runs them with gravity, atoms, oxygen, hydrogen, all that stuff, how He keeps the planets in orbit, etc. etc. Its all amazing and no one but God could do such great things. Science does NOT contradict religion and there's nothing wrong with learning science and figuring out how everything works in religion. Only certain issues in evolution contradict religion, but nothing else.
the Bible has been around for quite a while...right? Right. so....the Bibles says that the planets revovle around the sun. Ohh...then, thousands of years later...scientists come out with an astionishing conclusion....can u guess what it is.....the planets revovle around the sun....I guess we wont have to wait till we die after all.........
also....interestingly enough....archaeology can prove the old AND New testaments of the Bible are true....
I can give u examples if you must have some
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Originally posted by lotrfreak
the Bible has been around for quite a while...right? Right. so....the Bibles says that the planets revovle around the sun. Ohh...then, thousands of years later...scientists come out with an astionishing conclusion....can u guess what it is.....the planets revovle around the sun....I guess we wont have to wait till we die after all.........
as a practicing member of the 'flat earth society'
i know the earth is flat...
have you ever seen a round map????
a globe is not a map....it's just a plot to make us think the world is round;)
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Originally posted by lotrfreak
also....interestingly enough....archaeology can prove the old AND New testaments of the Bible are true....
I can give u examples if you must have some
.. Ok I wasn't going to post on this thread concerning the religion topic but this statement is in err.... Archaeologists can NEITHER PROVE NOR DIS PROVE parts of the Bible. The History Channel has a fantastic series on this.
Don't any of you watch South Park?! Everyone knows it's Mormons who go to Heaven and everyone else goes 'Down Under'... figuratively speaking. ;) :D *laughs*
But seriously.... as a mutt of beliefs (more of a evolutionist pagan), I don't care what you believe. Kudo's to you for believing (or not believing) in something.
It's your life. :)
Like Mugsy says, we'll go where we want to go when we die. :)
actually, i have a round map hanging up in my room, thank-you very much. Yes, arcaeologists can prove the Bible is correct.
I got these from books by Ralph O. Muncaster
These are the historical comparisons of Scientific insight
S= Science
All of these things were taught in the Bible. Next to the S shows who and when discovered it
The hydrologic cycle defined S-Perrault and Mariotte 1700s
The earth “hangs on nothing” in space S-Copernicus 1543
Light is in motion S- Newton, Huygens 1600s
Air has weight S- Toricelli 1643
Time, space, and matter had a beginning S-Einstein 1916
The order of creation S-1800s-1900s
First law of thermodynamics S- Joule Mayer 1842
The sun moves in a circuit of the galaxy S- Eary 1900s
Currents exsist in the oceans S-Matthew Fontaine Maury 1855
I have more………
Does the Bible conflict with Science?
The more the Bible is studied, the more surprising it becomes that people often think it is in conflict with science. Yet science’s rejection of the Bible has become common only in the last hundred years. Great scientists of the past, including Newton, Kepler, and Galileo, were all avid readers and believers of the Bible. As scientists are slowly becoming aware of the incredible wealth of the recently discovered information, a scientific return to the Bible is occurring.
Archaeology proves the Bible correct
God told Moses that the promised land would have “rocks of iron and copper that could be dug from hills” (Deuteronomy 8:9). Twenty miles south of the Dead Sea, a large area is dotted with ancient furnaces. The vast region is covered with heaps of copper slag, and some copper veins are still visible above ground.
Do you need more examples….because I have some…..
actually, i have a lot more, I just got tired of writing
its amazing no one has plumeted to their death off the edge of the world yet......
aha!!!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by lotrfreak
its amazing no one has plumeted to their death off the edge of the world yet......
how are we to know???
after all how can you tell your story when you
have fallen off the planet?????
see! tolyaso!!!!!
:D
Hey Ramanth its not so bad DOWN UNDER lol;) :D
you'd think they'd have some type of techonolgy or somethin to report they were beginning to see nothing but space in their view ahead, especially if they had something like.. i dont know... binoculars
Obviously, it doesn't matter what anyone says or what arguments are given everyone has his or her own beliefs and opinions, so I'm not sure why lotrfreak keeps trying to convince us all. Just asking.
Richard, Richard, Richard, haven't you studied your history?? Columbus didn't fall off the earth in 1492 (he just thought he was in India). lol
I don't see how this is proof that the Bible is correct. It may prove that there are facts in the Bible, but there are Hollywood movies and historical fiction books that facts in them too.Quote:
Originally posted by lotrfreak
Archaeology proves the Bible correct
God told Moses that the promised land would have “rocks of iron and copper that could be dug from hills” (Deuteronomy 8:9). Twenty miles south of the Dead Sea, a large area is dotted with ancient furnaces. The vast region is covered with heaps of copper slag, and some copper veins are still visible above ground.
I'm not saying I don't believe in the Bible, just that one true statement does not make every statement true.
history- yesQuote:
Originally posted by mugsy
Richard, Richard, Richard, haven't you studied your history?? Columbus didn't fall off the earth in 1492 (he just thought he was in India). lol
goegraphy- no
Well Richard...in that case....*Mrs. Kendall puts on her geography teacher's hat* let's chat! lol
aren't you supposed to be on vacation???:pQuote:
Originally posted by mugsy
Well Richard...in that case....*Mrs. Kendall puts on her geography teacher's hat* let's chat! lol
oh-oh Richard - looks like you've been sent to Summer School:eek: :eek: :eek: :cool:
Cincy's Mom.....taht has ABSOLUTELY no point whatsoever. Here is a fact the sky is blue. The Bible had all of the facts before anyone chose to believe it was true. Hollywood movies have facts like the sky is blue and everyone knows that. It is just common sense