Say No To Silver Labs

Geez! Just leave it alone! No matter what you say Torner, people arent going to stop breeding/buying Silver Labradors! :o

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Originally Posted by cali

why. WHO says that they must fit the breed stardard?.

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ALL KENNEL CLUBS IN THE WORLD!!!!! COME ON.

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Originally Posted by cali

and why should I listen to them or you?

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i don't recall ever telling you who to listen to. i just gave my point of veiw, and i'm trying to do something about according to where i stand on silverlabs.

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Originally Posted by cali

why are only you guys correct and the people with dogs that can actually DO the work wrong?

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i've never seen a silverlab doing their job. no one is saying that if it's not a black, or yellow or chocolate lab, it can't do the work. even mutts can do the work.

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Originally Posted by cali

please enlighten me as to why my whippet built, flop eared, extra fine boned border collie cant herd?

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where the heck did you get that? noone said anything about dogs and their retrieving skills. if you want a herding dog, pick any dog with the skills for it.

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Originally Posted by cali

and please explain how conformation has imporoved the bearded collie, and wehn people see then bouncing and barking at sheep the response is "oh thats how they are supposed to herd" thats odd because actually beardies were originally more like a wire coated BC and worked like BCs, in fact the 2 breeds used to be freely interbred.

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i wouldn't know about bearded collies. sorry.
i do know about recognized colors in labs. we're talking about labs remember?

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Originally Posted by Crazy-Cat-Lover

Geez! Just leave it alone! No matter what you say Torner, people arent going to stop breeding/buying Silver Labradors! :o

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NICE. you sound just like a 3 year old.

how would you know that? if people were educated and determined, of course it would stop.

i agree with Suki. if you one just a pet dog, adopt one from the shelter.
if you want to show (in beauty) don't buy a silver lab. it's that easy.

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Originally Posted by Crazy-Cat-Lover

Geez! Just leave it alone! No matter what you say Torner, people arent going to stop breeding/buying Silver Labradors! :o

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NICE. you sound just like a 3 year old.

how would you know that? if people were educated and determined, of course it would stop.

i agree with Suki. if you want just a pet dog, adopt one from the shelter.
if you want to show (in beauty) don't buy a silver lab. it's that easy.

obviously we are talking about labs, I am relating the same logic to breeds I am far more familer with.

and by the way. not all the kennel clubs in the world say that, only the conformation clubs say this. big difference.

you are by the way the very first coformation person I have EVER heard admit that dog shows are beauty contests, I was in shock :eek: I most certainly agree dog shows ARE beautys contests, but well most conformation people deny it lol

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Originally Posted by Crazy-Cat-Lover

If silver labradors were proven to be purebred would you breed them? You are acting the same way breeders did when chocolate labradors were first bred. :rolleyes:

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OK. IF THEY'RE PROVEN TO BE PUREBRED LABS I WOULD OF COURSE.
the thing is they're not and come from doubtful kennels. not one reputable breeder in the world breeds silver. that's a warning.

chocolates went through the same but got accepted because they started to pop all over the world, not just in the US in a few of this doubtful kennels.

Breed standard:

THis is why most working German Shepherds are from German lineage. the AKC standard dogs had the brains bred out of them to fit some artificial conformation appearance.

I'm sorry, I disagree with appearance the sole breed standard. A dog should look like the breed, AND be able to perform in whatever activity they were bred for.

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Originally Posted by cali

obviously we are talking about labs, I am relating the same logic to breeds I am far more familer with.

and by the way. not all the kennel clubs in the world say that, only the conformation clubs say this. big difference.

you are by the way the very first coformation person I have EVER heard admit that dog shows are beauty contests, I was in shock :eek: I most certainly agree dog shows ARE beautys contests, but well most conformation people deny it lol

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i don't think they relate as well to the silverlab controversy, since silverlab are not bred to improve retrieveing skills.

i asumed you knew i was tlaking about conformation kennel clubs.

well, at least as far as i know, when it's an all breed or specialty that does not ask for hunting tests to win, it is a beauty show.

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Originally Posted by TORNER RETRIEVERS

NICE. you sound just like a 3 year old.

how would you know that? if people were educated and determined, of course it would stop.

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Well excuse me for expressing my feelings on this subject. The world has been educated about spaying/neutering too, yet we have thousands of dogs that die every year in shelters. People are going to keep breeding these dogs because people want them. Alot of silver lab breeders are 100% positive their dogs are purebred, not crossed with a Weimaraner in any which way. They will not stop because their puppies sell like hot cakes. For instance, one of the websites I visited had two litters of silver lab puppies. EVERY last one of them was sold instantly. People will always love labs and when they see this so called *rare* color, they want one.

Have people stopped breeding one pound Chihuahuas? Knowing that these dogs are born premature and have serious health problems? I personally think silver labs are gorgeous and if they can be registered with the AKC as purebred labs and they have the same working ability as the other colors, they should be bred.

Quote from a breeder...

"Everything written about the Silver Labs is based upon speculation. One statement that is commonly made is that there had to have been a Weimeraner introduced into the bloodlines to produce the silver color. This statement has been proven false. UC Berkley studied the genetic makeup of the Silver Lab against that of the Weimeraner. Researchers concluded that it was not the same."

"If a person should come upon one of the remaining "Silver Lab Hate sites" on the net and develops ANY doubts about Silver Labs, that person should go directly to AKC and ask the pertinent question to learn the facts."

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i don't recall ever telling you who to listen to. i just gave my point of veiw, and i'm trying to do something about according to where i stand on silverlabs.

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Well if your just giving your "opionin" then i'll point out that we new your opionin from the VERY first post. There is no need to explain it again.

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Originally Posted by TORNER RETRIEVERS

the thing is they're not and come from doubtful kennels. not one reputable breeder in the world breeds silver. that's a warning

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how do you know that for sure? maybe there is some people who breed them and do it just as responsibly as other breeders. maybe they think silvers are beautiful and hope they become part of the AKC or something. just saying.

Does anyone else want this thread closed? We're not getting anywhere. I'll gladly PM Karen and ask her to close it.

I'd like this thread closed too. We're not egtting anywhere, just fightining.It's ridiculous :rolleyes:

I too would like it closed, were are 2 groups with entirly different veiws and fighting about it is not going to get anywhere neither groups intend to switch sides.

Ok, I'm PMing Karen :)