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Originally posted by Uabassoon
I guess I see it differently. I think there is a difference between love and being "in love". Being "in love" doesn't necessarily mean lust or sex. When people get married it's not just about having sex with that person, it's about being in love with the person.
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Originally posted by Kfamr
And since when is someone's sexual acts anyone else's business, anyways?
*COUGH COUGH*......paris hilton's boy friend turned those tapes into a business.....at 50 dollars a copy.. Sorry had to clear my throat.
And not only do gay partnerships suffer..
I dated a gal for thirteen years- she got cancer and before she passed I was not allowed any contact with her during her last days....As a matter of fact I found out that she passed away three days afterwards...from a co-worker...
If a family has a problem with ANY relationship they can practically forbid you to make any contact with a loved one when they fall ill....
All because of the color of your skin, your religion, your orientation, race or ??????
Fair? hardly.....
Life sucks when people decide how, when and who you should love...
Wow, WolfChan. That link is great! Thank you for sharing it!Quote:
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Originally posted by RICHARD
*COUGH COUGH*......paris hilton's boy friend turned those tapes into a business.....at 50 dollars a copy.. Sorry had to clear my throat.
And not only do gay partnerships suffer..
I dated a gal for thirteen years- she got cancer and before she passed I was not allowed any contact with her during her last days....As a matter of fact I found out that she passed away three days afterwards...from a co-worker...
If a family has a problem with ANY relationship they can practically forbid you to make any contact with a loved one when they fall ill....
All because of the color of your skin, your religion, your orientation, race or ??????
Fair? hardly.....
Life sucks when people decide how, when and who you should love...
That really blows, Richard!
If them having sex is what you're against, why can't they get married? They're going to have sex married or not, so what does it matter? Stopping gay marriages is not going to stop them from having sex.Quote:
Originally posted by popcornbird
Being gay, is committing sexual acts with a person of the same sex, and THAT is what we are against.
EXCELLENT POINT! Thanks, I hadn't thought of that!Quote:
Originally posted by PepperRSM
If them having sex is what you're against, why can't they get married? They're going to have sex married or not, so what does it matter? Stopping gay marriages is not going to stop them from having sex.
It doesn't make a difference to me whether they are married or not. I'm against what they are doing whether it is in terms of marriage, or out of marriage. Why I don't like them getting married is because I don't see this as marriage at all. I find it against the basis of marriage, and the significance of marriage.Quote:
Originally posted by PepperRSM
If them having sex is what you're against, why can't they get married? They're going to have sex married or not, so what does it matter? Stopping gay marriages is not going to stop them from having sex.
Putting that point aside, I have a question, or say, an argument to make, to those of you who justify gay marriages with letting them marry whoever they're in love with. Since someone said previously that you can't marry a pet or a car because they have no say in the decision, I would like to ask you this. Say a girl loves her brother, and wants to marry him. Why is it against the law to marry someone so close in kin? After all, it shouldn't be anyone's problem who someone else wants to marry (according to many of you). Is the government discriminating by making it against the law to marry a sibling? What if someone doesn't believe its wrong, and wants to do that? Why is THAT against the law? Now if any one of you says they should be allowed to do that too, if they wish, seriously, I would faint.
Please tell me, if that is allowed to be banned by law, why not gay marriages? They are both *immoral actions*, as defined by religion.
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Originally posted by RICHARD
Out of curiosity.....
What or how would you deal with a brother or sister who confided in you, that they were gay?
How would your view of them change?
There is a reason that sibs are not allowed to be married......birth defects.....look back at the inter marriages in royal 'families' in order to keep blood lines 'clean'.....
So what happens to your sibs when they tell you they are gay???
How would you treat them?
I would still love them regardless, but I would not support their decision in any way.Quote:
What or how would you deal with a brother or sister who confided in you, that they were gay?
LMAO!!Quote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
Look around during a church sermon......If glazed eyes were donuts, Krispy Kreme would be out of business.
ok...i have a question, several peple said that gay marriage is wrong becasue then they are going to go to hell...ok that's fine and all, but don't you think it should be thier choice if they want to go to hell or not? just like they can't tell you what to door try to force you to want to go to hell. how is it going to hurt you if they go to hell? besides if you don't believe in hell, then there's really no where to go.
they've probly been saving up frequent flier miles too;)
What about AIDS that comes with unprotected homosexual activity? If you can justify that with birth defects...........Quote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
There is a reason that sibs are not allowed to be married......birth defects.....look back at the inter marriages in royal 'families' in order to keep blood lines 'clean'.....
Previously, others said that having children is not what validates a marriage, and I agree with that. A marriage can be perfectly valid without children. What if a brother and a sister want to get married, and do things in a *protected* way, and not get any children. Why stop them? Isn't it against their rights? If its against a gay's rights to ban them from marrying a person of the same gender, then I suppose, its against a person's rights to ban him/her from marrying a sibling. After all, who is the government to force their beliefs on individuals, as you all say??? Answer this question with an answer that makes sense, and we'll move on. Why is it against the law to marry a close relative? Its against religion, but what if someone else doesn't choose to believe in that??? I say, the government is discriminating! :p They're imposing their beliefs against the marriage of close relatives on others. How very discriminatory. *shakes head* ;)
As far as having a gay relative, I have no one in my family that would EVER do something like that, BUT, if I did, I would try my best to talk them out of it, to explain issues to them nicely, etc. If they leave it, they would be forgiven. If not, quite frankly, I would leave it up to God to judge them, and honestly would feel terrible about their actions. Of course the natural feeling of love that comes with kinship would still be there, but I would be frowning big time, upon their actions, and praying that God guides them to the right path.
Aids is not 'just' a homosexually transmitted disease....Quote:
Originally posted by popcornbird
What about AIDS that comes with unprotected homosexual activity? If you can justify that with birth defects...........
As far as having a gay relative, I have no one in my family that would EVER do something like that, BUT, if I did, I would try my best to talk them out of it, to explain issues to them nicely, etc. If they leave it, they would be forgiven. If not, quite frankly, I would leave it up to God to judge them, and honestly would feel terrible about their actions. Of course the natural feeling of love that comes with kinship would still be there, but I would be frowning big time, upon their actions, and praying that God guides them to the right path.
There are several methods of transmission...Men are the most
'effecient' at moving the disease from person to person.
Any unprotected activities have some 'side effects'.
I guess since we are ALL from the family of man, WE can forgive all the homosexuals out there, that makes the religious arguements a moot point!
Why does a relative rate higher on the forgiveness scale?
what about AIDS from heterosexual sex???? there is way more people with AIDS becasue of that!Quote:
Originally posted by popcornbird
What about AIDS that comes with unprotected homosexual activity?
I am well aware of that, but you can get birth defects in other ways TOO, so my point in saying that was, that isn't a valid argument.Quote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
Aids is not 'just' a homosexually transmitted disease....
There are several methods of transmission...Men are the most
'effecient' at moving the disease from person to person.
Why does a relative rate higher on the forgiveness scale?
A relative doesn't rate higher on the forgiveness scale. I never said I would forgive them. I would forgive them if they LEFT the action. I would forgive ANY gay if they left their sin and repented. Honestly, if I had a gay relative who was insisting on his/her sins, I wouldn't feel the same about them. The love that exists amongst relatives would still be there, but quite frankly, I wouldn't feel the same about them. I wouldn't. To be honest, I would probably distance myself from them.......perhaps cut off the relationship completely.
AND you never answered my question. Why is it not discriminatory on the government's behalf to ban marrying between close blood relatives if THEY wish to marry the one they love, yet it is discriminitory on the government's behlaf if they want to ban gays from marrying the ones they love? Why why why. Both are condemned by religion. Why is it ok to force that opinion on the non-religious, while it isn't ok to enforce the gay law. I want to see an answer to this. An answer that makes sense.
If anyone is willing to answer my questions with an answer that makes sense, i'll be willing to answer any of yours the best I can.
PCB.. How can you say that no one in your family would ever do that? Have you ever stopped to think, maybe, just maybe they're scared to? Having a relative with such a strong disbelief against something surely would not make me want to come open with them. I doubt you'd be able to guide anyone away from homosexuality. It's a natural feeling.
Why can't everyone just "leave it up to 'God'" to judge Homosexuals? Afterall, according to some, he's the one who thinks it's a 'sin', people are just his followers.