Gays and Gay Marriages

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Originally posted by skydiveaddict
I can understand individual religions or churches banning marriage, they even have the right to refuse to marry heterosexual couples for some reasons.........but absolutely not the government.

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I completely agree and I would like to hear opinions on this from the people who agree with it being banned by the Government.

If certain religions want to label it as evil, that is their business. The country should not be expected to follow the same philosophies.

Tell me how two gay people marrying will hurt anybody, and I'll tell you I'm against it. Until then, I will support it 100%.

It really is disgusting that people compare homosexuality to beastiality. Two consenting adults is different than adult and animal with no voice of its own. To even compare the two is horrifying. I'm extremely offended and I can only imagine how offensive that is to someone who is gay.

I am sad that we don't live in a tolerant world.

If I had a gay son I would be ALL for him getting married.....


That way I wouldn't have to shell out for the wedding.


;)

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Originally posted by aly
It really is disgusting that people compare homosexuality to beastiality. Two consenting adults is different than adult and animal with no voice of its own. To even compare the two is horrifying. I'm extremely offended and I can only imagine how offensive that is to someone who is gay.

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I am not religious, so, I don't have that guiding my decision on what's right or wrong. But, I think when people are comparing homosexuality to beastiality, it's basically saying that according to the bible, a sin is a sin is a sin. But, I'm going to read back and see if there's something else in this thread, to make sure. But, yeah, according to the bible lying is just as sinful as murder. Anyway....yet another reason I refuse to go to church. ;)

Ok, so I read a little more of the posts, and, found the one mentioning something goofy about marrying your dog. I mean, really, it's a completely different species, but, if you'll notice the context surrounding that statement, it's not the only goofy thing said. I'd take it with a grain of salt. It honestly made me laugh, it's so absurd.

This thread has provoked something that has always been in the back of my mind. Probably since the first day I heard that being gay was a "sin".

A few thoughts that have stemmed from this thread:

*God created us all. He knows our heart, He knows who we are.

Lets say that it is a sin. Well, lots of stuff is a sin. Why do we sin? We sin for different reasons, depending on what that sin is. Only God is allowed to condemn us. That's it. No one else can tell us what we've done wrong unless it hurts someone else. So why, why, is sexual preference such a taboo sin? Is not thinking impure thoughts (evil/hateful), stealing, murdering, etc. worse? Love, regardless of who its for, is wrong? Why, aren't we to love our neighbor? Isn't loving our neighhor suposed to symbolize everyone?? If someone is brought into our lives, presumibly by God (right??) and we love them, that's wrong because they are the same sex?

I don't get it. I've always had a hard time with this issue. I've actually walked out of my in-laws church and have NEVER set foot in the place since because they were PREACHING that it was a sin.

*I also believe that through prayer and listening, I communicate with God. If, this is such a horrible sin, and its always been on my heart, how come He hasn't taught me otherwise?

*How come we have laws that disclude any loved one, related or not, in situations like Sandra stated? Some of my friends are MORE THAN family...if I were on my death bed, I'd have to have them there. When I was in the hospital, three of my friends came to visit, granted, my parents were out of town, but compared to David and my mother-in-law, they were who brightened my days.

Why cant a friend and I, heterosexual or homosexual, buy a home together and not have the same rights as someone who is married? Why on earth did someone think that once someone was married they were entitled to these benefits? Where's the logic behind that?

*How come, just because the beliefs of our current president, do we have to live and be effected by his beliefs? Don't we have voices? If we're going to blaim the current president and his beliefs, don't we need to address the rest of the worlds leaders? (forgive me, I don't know if its legal in many countries :o )

I will continue thinking and praying on this issue.

I have tried so hard to stay out of this thread but here goes...

I believe in the Bible and what the Bible says. I believe in spiritual things and that they effect our lives and the way we choose to live.

I believe marriage is a union between a man and a woman because that is the covenant God gave us. We can't rewrite the Bible or change God's mind.

If homosexuals want to unite in a way that joins them as a couple and gives them rights, like benefits, and rights when their partner is sick and such... then I believe they are entitled (sp) to those rights... I don't believe President Bush is trying to keep homosexuals from having certain rights... I think he is just trying to protect the covenant God gave us in the Bible. And for the record... I believe they should make some kind of ammendment regarding heterosexuals and divorce and adultry and such. Marriage is a beautiful thing.. and heterosexual couples should respect it more. I believe too that it should be made DIFFICULT for a couple to get a divorce. The Bible says God hates divorce.!!

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I'm glad it's not difficult for divorce. I was married to a horrible man and had been put through enough. To have to jump through hoops to get a divorce would have made it even worse.

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Originally posted by dukedogsmom
I'm glad it's not difficult for divorce. I was married to a horrible man and had been put through enough. To have to jump through hoops to get a divorce would have made it even worse.

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Well of course if there is enough reason.. Im talking about the people like "BRITTANY SPEARS" who take it as a joke or divorce just because their husband doesn't make enough money to buy them all they want.

Ok it's time for my (usual late) 2 cents.

I was actually afraid to look at this thread because it has come up so often at work in the break room. I have been so emotionally tore up lately that I didn't think I could handle this. But I realized quickly the major difference: at work this coworker was shoving her beliefs down my throat making me feel like she was backing me into a corner. Here everyone states their opinions as just that their opinions so I guess I could digest them much better.

About the statement that hate is taught; I truely believe love and tolerance is taught through family just as well. I was raised through the first 5 years of my life by only my single 20-something mother and my grandparents. Grandpa in particular taught my respect of other's culture and beliefs because no one but the God or Gods knows for sure what is right and what is wrong. I've had gone through my family history trying to figure out what we believe in and I've found out we believe in love for our fellow man.

I have no reason to be against gays or gay marriage, I'm all for it.
Those who have told me that gays have no right to marriage I take as a personal attack. (I'm not talking about anyone on here) Not an attack against me but my family. I have family members (cousins mainly) who are gay and I feel that by saying they have no right to marry; you're saying that they have no basic rights as a human to love who they want to love and be the person they want to be. My theory is God made all of us the way we are (gay, straight, black, white, a little out there ect.) for a reason only known to him/her/them. Maybe when we get to where ever we personally believe we are going in the end, he/she/they will let us know.


Disclaimer: The preceeding comments were written purely on the author's opinion and is not meant to demean or belittle other's beliefs nor was it meant to tick anyone off

Don't care - if gays want to marry it is fine with me. I'm not threatened.

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I think he is just trying to protect the covenant God gave us in the Bible. And for the record... I believe they should make some kind of ammendment regarding heterosexuals and divorce and adultry and such.

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Yes, but if he did that heteros would complain because of seperation of church and state. However they look the other way when it comes to gays and lesbians. It's not the presidents job to protect the convenant of God.

Hey guys -- would you mind if I were to use some of your opinions for an essay in school?

I have to create an essay about a subject I feel strongly about.

I have to come up with two different sides, although I completely disagree with one side.

I need to state my opinions, and then the opinions of those who disagree with Gay Marriages.

My side of the essay will be simple.. but i've never understood the other side, so it will be very hard.

So, with everyone's permission to use the reasons why they are against Gay marriages, it'd be a lot easier.


Would you guys mind? :)

I don't think we should flame each other for our beliefs. Don't make one side the bad guys here, ok?

I want the people who do believe in it to keep believing in it, because its what you stand for, and I respect that.

Why I don't belive it is because for 1) Has alot to do with my religion, and 2) the way my parents brought this subject to me.

I just think that it should be between man and woman, like it always has been. Even though some of you all disagree.

-Kay, even though my info isn't the greatest explained feel free to use any of it.

Kay feel free to use anything I"ve said. :)

I have not responded to this thread, but have been reading all of your responses with interest, and it has prodded me to find out more of what my church believes about this issue. I did a web search tonight because I don't have an updated copy of the Book of Discipline, but what I learned was interesting. I'm going to absorb more of it....I have bookmarked the page, and maybe I'll come back and say more after I understand it better. It pretty much follows my own belief that regardless of whether homosexuality and same sex marriages follow our Christian beliefs, our church practices tolerance and embraces all. Clergy members are not allowed to perform same sex marriages, according to what I read, but the church, overall, has broadened it's views and is much more tolerant. I am comfortable in saying that I am proud of the stance my church has taken on the issue. While recognizing some biblical issues, all are welcome, and that is the way that I have always felt, personally.

Logan

I should have started studying up on this and other issues a long, long time ago. :o