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That is NOT how positive reinforcement training methods would work in that situation AT ALL! That is a gross over-exaggeration and you are applying it to the wrong situation.Quote:
Originally posted by rachnjam27
Gee Rex, you scratched up that girl's face. Bad dog, here's a dog treat.
I could explain how I would train in that situation but I have a feeling it would fall upon deaf ears.
I am not trying to be mean but I'm really getting upset finding out how many people spank their dogs :(
Well someone else said they use it with their dog's name.Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
I said I use "NO" but I don't do it in the same sentence.
I don't think tapping my dog in the nose is going to hurt her or make her afraid of me or hands, or cause her any mental/physical anguish.....:rolleyes:
There's a difference between tapping your dog on the nose and slapping or hitting a dog hard enough for it to feel pain.
I think it really depends on the dog. For Kai, I don't need to tap because I've learned that eye contact works even better. But for Kaedyn, eye contact is not going to work. I'm not saying tapping would be a 100% fool proof way to tell him no but it really varies from dog to dog. If I tapped Kai for every little nip, I'm almost certain that he'd start becoming fearful as he is a some-what timid dog. I guess if tapping is the only way that your dog gets the message, then fine.
Sometimes I HAVE to tap Molly on the nose. Like I said, once she decides she's not going to listen, there's no changing her mind; but tapping her works. It's not like I slap her in the face, it's just a tap on her nose. You think because I'm one of the people who does it, that makes me a bad pet owner??
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Originally posted by aly
Well someone else said they use it with their dog's name.
I understand that.
If you're talking to me, I don't think you're a bad pet owner because of what you've described. I wish you'd use different methods, but I don't think you abuse your dogs or anything.Quote:
Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
Sometimes I HAVE to tap Molly on the nose. Like I said, once she decides she's not going to listen, there's no changing her mind; but tapping her works. It's not like I slap her in the face, it's just a tap on her nose. You think because I'm one of the people who does it, that makes me a bad pet owner??
Do you have any other methods in mind? I hate doing it to her, but it's the only thing I've found that works.Quote:
Originally posted by aly
If you're talking to me, I don't think you're a bad pet owner because of what you've described. I wish you'd use different methods, but I don't think you abuse your dogs or anything.
It depends on what she's doing when she won't listen. If you describe to me the situations where you need to tap her, I could give some suggestions :)Quote:
Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
Do you have any other methods in mind? I hate doing it to her, but it's the only thing I've found that works.
The only time I really do it, is when she's doing something she's not supposed to do (not things like barking, etc..) For example, she can be nippy around other dogs and people. I don't mind a little nipping, but sometimes she just won't stop, then people start to get angry and annoyed. That's when she doesn't listen, and that's when I do it.Quote:
Originally posted by aly
It depends on what she's doing when she won't listen. If you describe to me the situations where you need to tap her, I could give some suggestions :)
Do you have any suggestions? :)
The only time I tap Timber on the nose is when she's holding something she's not supposed to and won't let go. She knows the "drop" command, but chooses not to use it because "this is a new interesting toy and I don't want to drop it." The only thing she won't ever drop, even with a tap on the nose are Pedro's tennis balls. Poor guy. I've tried pushing the ball inside her mouth because that's supposed to make her repel and let go, but it doesn't work. I've tried distracting her, I've tried everything, but she won't let go. She isn't territorial or toy aggressive by any means. She just won't let go, and a tap on the nose with my index and middle finger solve it.
Oh for pete's sake ... Parson Russell, Jack Russell .. whatever! I have one with long legs and one with short legs, and they were both rescues without AKC papers .... so it really doesn't matter what I call them. I could call them either name.
My point was not what the "official" name of the breed is now, or if there is one breed or two. I own two of the dogs, and I don't give a hoot what you call them.
My point was that it's not fair to label an entire breed "out of control" or "mean" or "stupid" and that sterotypes are not fair or right. Breedism is wrong .... that was my point people.
Sheesh. Kind of missing the forest for the trees there, eh?
:rolleyes:
I wasn't responding to what you said Twisterdog, and I knew what your point was. I was simply responding to Cali's post as I thought they were one in the same which they are, but now recently have been seperated into two breeds.
Which to me it would seem like they should just have one, the Parson Russell with the Jack Russell just being a poor standard of the breed, not show quality, if that is how they think of it. But anyways, who cares anymore lol. I could care less. :p
I know. And my post wasn't directed at you. ;)Quote:
I wasn't responding to what you said Twisterdog, and I knew what your point was. I was simply responding to Cali's post
Okay people, we're getting a bit off topic. I suggest this thread be split.