FWIW, I can see how a parent who lost a child would push to have another to fill the void left by the death of one child or all of their children.
I can understand that, I would not consider it sick but only natural.
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FWIW, I can see how a parent who lost a child would push to have another to fill the void left by the death of one child or all of their children.
I can understand that, I would not consider it sick but only natural.
Thank you for discounting my opinion- it's now 75 percent off!:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
The lord also put the good invitro doc on the planet, please credit him for that?
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Blue,
Your observation is correct!
I have to add that some areas with the most 'upper crust' habitants are also morally bankrupt.:rolleyes:
And I do believe that's what I've been saying all along!!! :rolleyes: My issue has been with the reference to "replacement" children - in particular the mother who had invitro after she lost her 3 children. Perhaps you haven't read all the posts??????????Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
Ok, I don't feel like going back and reading 17 pages of this thread but I'd like to know who referred to the children as replacements anyhow? :)
See post #183Quote:
Originally Posted by Medusa
Got it. Thanx.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I saw a quick clip on her last evening, I believe. It was an interview with her PR agent - former PR agent. She (the agent) mentioned death threats and crude comments being passed through the agent to the Mom. I think I saw a comment from the Mom that she never expected such horrible reactions.
Well, it is too late to get a re-do on this. Isn't it!
I hope some rich soul steps in and gives this lady help with her children. I don't think too many "ordinary folks" will be doing so, from the looks of it. It won't be me, that's for sure.
I did see a clip of her first six children and boy are they good looking children. They looked loved and happy. I suspect the G-parents get lots of the credit for that. Then you add the next eight to the mix and it equals disaster as far as I am concerned.
Maybe she should move to a farm and start putting all those kids to work on the land! Isn't that how it was in the early pioneer years? Even the toddlers worked, feeding the chickens.
California is not the place for this woman and her crew.
I do believe the limelight has come to bite her in the butt.
Maybe she can move in with Richard and his cat.:p
I am glad we agree Blue. This is what I have been saying as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
I guess the problem has been, some of us have no problem using the term replacement when it comes to a child and others find it highly offensive.
Not exactly......that is a part of the discussion...but the contention is because one poster has said there is something ...I am not sure of the exact words...but sick or perverted about having more children when you have lost yours. The poster suggested they should just go on an lead a "normal" life.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
Yes, the word "replacement" strikes some as offensive but far more offensive is to suggest, as this poster did, that there is something selfish and wrong about having more children.
Here's ONE quote made about this couple who lost their children and were able to have more children through in-vitro...
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The three kids born to the crash mom ARE REPLACEMENTS. That woman was just as effing goofy as the OCTOMOM
What octomom did is sick.
Replacing a child that died with a new child, its a natural urge and I can understand it.
But to replace 3 children with 3 new kids all at once, thats a bit out there. RICHARD may call it sick or selfish, I call it questionable.
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Originally Posted by sasvermont
ANd then?
What say the benevolent woman of the US of A that will go to bat about not letting the gobierno dictate what they can and cannot do to their bodies...
I have enough room for the litter, They could come and stay at my California spead and dude rance.
LOLOL, would any of you other high and mighty posters do it for the kids and not so much for the Mom? I love the one sidedness of the issue and all the AHs that threaten her life. To think I share the planet with effing morons like that.
I could really give a shiat about the mother.
I care more for the poor kids and the darn shame that they cannot live a normal life with this kook.
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I have to say something else that cracks me up.
During the election I got some crap about some stupid candidate not wearing a flag pin......
Now some of the comments are directed at the OM's nail job.
Get a grip on your bad selves and "stop making sense".
I haven't seen this much confusion since I looked into the blender while I was cooking.:rolleyes:
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LOLOLOLOLOL,
What do you call a mom that has triplets to take the place of the three she lost in an accident?
You don't call her, she has her hands full with three kids at once.
I just walked away and thought about how chance may have shaken YOUR family tree and this NUT had fallen out.
Blood and all that good stuff would make yuo defend her to the end, as much you do with the sister, SIL, friend of other gal that does for an IVF.
Hey, it's the greatest! She did it! What a mom! We are all tickled pink about the woman who was able to have kids when science intervened!
Have fun at the baby shower and congratulate her on a job well done!
But let some fruitcake toss out a litter and all hell breask lose! What a sorrowful figure the mo who loses her brood in an accident then turns to science-not god-to fill her heart with another tri-umpant addition to her family.
And she only had to go the hospital once! I guess I could go find another mom and dad to take the place of my parents who are deceased. Hell, I might be able to get a dad with hair this time!
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Get those IVF laws passed so we don't have any more circus deliveries done and when the time come that one of your woman friends has to navigate the NEW LAWS that prohibit a woman who really wants kids, can afford them and has short nails, get up in arms all over again and complain about the 'law' that says they cannot get a decent chance at having a normal delivery.
IVF doesn't work with some women unless there are multiple empbryos implanted, This woman took it to the extreme, but when the law gets involved everyone will be screaming bloody murder all over again.
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This whole story is not so much about the fruity nutcake who keeps going back for more babies, it's the law, the ethics and the people who can't make up thier minds about what they want.
IT's also about the babies, THey had no choice about showing up in Bellflower, CA-I am sure they would understand the hate and the death threats tossed at mom.
I don't know anything about birthing kids, But, I have changed more diapers and seen more newborn peepee and va-jay-jay changing diapers than a first year pediatric urologist.
Being born into one of those crazy Catholic and Mexican families you tend to get schooled in "small kid/baby/newborn" pretty quickly.
I am sure it would suit some people just find to have some of the OctoKids
die off, WOuldn't that save us tax payers any future contributions to this mess?:rolleyes:
Don't hate the player, hate the lame.
You really need to read the thread. She used invitro. She was older so they implanted three embryos with the hope that one would "take." That is what is done with older women. It happened that all three did. That is very unusual in a woman of her age. (I mentioned a friend of mine who is over 40 so they implanted five in hope one would take. Sadly, and far more commonly, none did.)Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
This couple did not, as has been stated repeatedly, attempt to have three children. That is what happened.
In case you think of the 49 year old woman. Those were not her eggs. They were the eggs of a woman in her 20's so the eggs were much more viable.
1 egg or 3, IV or turkey baster. Its replacement.
So what is questionable about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
Or are you just desparate to not agree with me? ;-))
You allready said we agree, what is your problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
*Edit* Figured I better quote you so you dont edit or delete.
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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
I am just curious what is questionable to you about what they did?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
IV can be risky, IV tripplets increases the risk. Ethically I would call the judgment to have 3 IV children questionable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Oh okay. I am not a doctor so I can not speak to it. I do believe she had qualified medical care as the children were not born significantly premature. I also did not realize there to be any greater risk to an IV pregnancy than a conventionally conceived one. Multiple births do occur in conventional conception also of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
But I do hope you understand that implanting multiple embryos in women past a certain age is standard procedure in order to achieve ONE viable pregnancy.
I do not think a coincident of them having the same number of children as they lost is reason to call them sickos, goofy or selfish.
Nor am I medically qualified to call the judgment to have three IV children questionable.
But there you have it! To you this couple's behavior is questionable...to me...it was no more questionable than any other couple giving birth to triplets.
So on that we must disagree!
Sweet zombie Jebus let it go!
I never called anybody sick for having a child after losing a child. You dont have to be a doc to know a multiple IV pregnancy is risky.
Does all your rambling make you feel superior? Do you feel better about yourself after such a verbose outburst?
Oh I can be far more verbose than that! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by blue
I just want to see how long before you run out of dodges...:D:D
So you admit that your past few posts in this thread you have been acting like a Troll?Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
I have no idea what a troll is. Sorry!Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
I am trying to find out why anyone would have a problem with what this couple did.
Tell you a story...this all happened in my backyard. I pass the exit where the accident occurred every day.
When I heard about the couple having triplets I thought it was nice for them. And I though...oh gosh...we are going to hear about how this is a miracle, etc, etc. and I thought how cruel that would be to people like my friend who have been through so much to try and have a child and hear people say that this couple was some how more deserving of this than others. But that is the unfairness of life. So while I was happy for the couple I was sad for others like my friends.
But I never...NEVER thought I would hear them called selfish, goofy or sicko.
I think that is petty and mean-spirited. And petty, mean-spirited behavior makes me very angry.
If you had stopped at saying you did not think there was anything wrong with having more children after experiencing the tragedy of losing your children -- something some people chose and others cannot bear to think about -- I would have shut up. I agree with you on that. But you had to say their behavior is questionable.
IV pregnancy is no more risky than any other -- all other factors the same. But that is not the point.
Why the need to bash this couple?:confused::confused: That is what I do not understand. Why???
1. trollingQuote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Being a pr!ck on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can.
Other then maybe RICHARD who has a problem with it?Quote:
I am trying to find out why anyone would have a problem with what this couple did.
Take it up with RICHARD and quit stalking my posts.Quote:
Tell you a story...this all happened in my backyard. I pass the exit where the accident occurred every day.
When I heard about the couple having triplets I thought it was nice for them. And I though...oh gosh...we are going to hear about how this is a miracle, etc, etc. and I thought how cruel that would be to people like my friend who have been through so much to try and have a child and hear people say that this couple was some how more deserving of this than others. But that is the unfairness of life. So while I was happy for the couple I was sad for others like my friends.
But I never...NEVER thought I would hear them called selfish, goofy or sicko.
I think that is petty and mean-spirited. And petty, mean-spirited behavior makes me very angry.
You want me to call the Whaaaambulance for you?Quote:
If you had stopped at saying you did not think there was anything wrong with having more children after experiencing the tragedy of losing your children -- something some people chose and others cannot bear to think about -- I would have shut up. I agree with you on that. But you had to say their behavior is questionable.
I thought you werent a doctor?Quote:
IV pregnancy is no more risky than any other -- all other factors the same. But that is not the point.
The angry is still strong with you.Quote:
Why the need to bash this couple?:confused::confused: That is what I do not understand. Why???
Who have I bashed? Why are you confused or are you just being a troll again?
I found this today:
"LOS ANGELES — Octoplets mom Nadya Suleman and her 6 other children may soon be homeless.
Los Angeles County property records indicate the home they live in went into mortgage default on Feb. 9 after non-payment for 10 months. The home in Whittier is owned by Angela Suleman, the grandmother of the octuplets.
The default notice shows Angela Suleman is $23,225 behind in her mortgage payments and that the house could be sold at auction beginning May 5.
However, the mother of 14 may have more time to help with the repayments after the bank official said the sale could still be delayed by the discretion of her lender, IndyMac Federal Bank of Pasadena.
"We take these things one case at a time — there's no shortage of people struggling to make their mortgage payments right now," an Indymac representative said.
"Roughly more than 10 percent of our customers are 60 or more days behind."
Angela Suleman's phone has been disconnected and she could not be immediately reached for comment."
:o Yes I heard that too on the News this morning.. Now I do feel sorry for the Grandmother & Grandfather.. They have said they could not control the decisions that the daughter has made.. Now the Incomputent Oxyyy Moron Daughter is who I have a problem with.. Where & or if she has any Brain Cells.. She totally thinking of herself only.. I do think she thought the Media was going to support her is dollars & she was going to get rich over night after having the babies.. Well from what I see it is all backfiring on her.. I bet you before its all said & done Child Wellfare is going to step in & end up with those babies sooner or later..
And she's probably in default because she's been supporting her daughter and the 6 kids. And now there's 8 more!!! :eek: The more I hear of Octomom - the more I detest her!Quote:
Originally Posted by sasvermont
:o I detest her as well & from what I hear so is everyone else.. You know she has had death threats & her publisher dumped her..Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I love your reference - Oxy Moron!!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lvpets2002
And I do believe she has dug her own grave, so to speak. More and more people are seeing her for what she is. However I do believe that death threats to anyone are serious and totally uncalledfor, and I can't blame anyone for not wanting to represent her. It's a shame that the kids are going to be the ones who suffer in the long run. I do hope Child Welfare intervenes. And like it or not ("not" for me), it's you and me and the already overburdened taxpayer that will be footing the bills! :mad:
My son said "I'm going over to visit my kids". I said "WHAT KIDS???" and he said "Octomom's. If I'm going to be supporting them, I should have visitation rights." He lives in L.A. LOL
Too funny - about visiting! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Medusa
Not funny (but true) - about supporting them! :mad:
And I can just picture Mary nearly dropping the phone when he said "my kids"! :eek:
:o I see you & all the rest of us as Tax Payers are already supporting her & the kids.. They say she is on food stamps & welfare for 3 of the kids.. They say she owes like $50,000.00 in student loans.. I just wonder or do I need to wonder how is the Doctors & Hospital that delivered these 8 babies going to get paid.. I just dont understand how all of this got done.. There had to have been some money somewhere.. Did some of the money come from the Back Law Suite from her mental hospital job?? Oh by the way I think this mother needs to go back to that mental hospital & stay awhile as a patient.. Yes it is Sad the Children will be the ones to get hurt && they did not ask to be in the world..
This story has truly become tragic. Her parents are probably going to lose their home. Who knows why they're filing bankruptcy but a good guess might be that they've been burdened w/helping their daughter financially support her kids. I don't want to play pop psychologist but the woman appears to be mentally unstable. So far I see no one profiting from this but instead a lot of people suffering, not the least of which are her children. I feel sad when anyone loses their home, especially at their age, and every day we read more details about this situation. Truly tragic.
:( Yes it is Tragic.. Its just one bigg mess this woman has caused.. For what reason other than she was thinking of herself.. I am saddaned about the whole thing.. ** Oh by the way Mary = I hate that I could have not seen the look on your face when your son said he was going to go see his kids.. ** :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Medusa
Especially since he's a confirmed bachelor. (so far) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lvpets2002
Someone may have already mentioned this but......I keep seeing Octomom out and about. Whether it's CNN, TMZ, or one of the other network news reports. Does she ever stay home? Most of the time I see her, she's out getting dolled up more and more.:confused:
How does a woman with that many small children have the luxury of traveling so much?:confused:
If her mother is taking care of the kids at home while she runs around, I can't help but wonder if the mother is crazy.
The mother probably cares for the children because they're her grandchildren and she loves them and she doesn't want them to be taken away by CPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daisy and Delilah
I think she's probably trying to drum up sympathy and money. Don't know that either is working very well!!! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Daisy and Delilah
As far as the mother goes, if she is losing her house because of taking care of Octomom and the kids, then in a way I suppose she deserves it. She knew what she was doing, but to lose everything she has because of her reckless daughter, was a foolish move on her part. Sure - she wanted to take care of the grandkids - but at what expense? She should have put that wacko daughter out years ago, and then just maybe there wouldn't be 8 more kids to worry about now. :(
That certainly is true, Mary. I wish her mother would make her daughter more responsible. I have no way of knowing how much care she's(Octomom) giving the children but the media sure makes it look minimal. I believe her mother will eventually grow tired of carrying such a large load if that's what she's doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Medusa