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No, I do believe you're the one whom has issues with me, although issues between us have nothing to do with this thread, just like Jessica's situation doesn't either.
Self-centered... no, not quite. If I was such I wouldn't be sticking up for Jessica or apologizing for what this turned into because of you.
Done? Good.
Now I think you owe an apology to Jessica, as well.
Maybe the people we should be ill at is Cayters parents. They should have known whether she could deal with having a pet such as Ozzy. And once the decision was made and they gave their permission for her to have Ozzy, then they should have stepped in then.
I am a parent, and if I thought my children was not going to take care of their pets, then I would not let them have a pet at all to call their own. If they said, yes I am up to taking care of this pet, and keep it, then okay child of mine, you may have a pet. But if they decided that there was thing more important than that pet, then I stepped in, and said no, I am sorry but you made a commitment to this pet, and this pet come first, afterall he or she was here first! My oldest daughter was so good with her pets, she was taught to take responsibility for her pets, even when she got her first boyfriend, that boy did not want her to have her pets, didn't want her to touch the pet, well that boyfriend was out the door, and kicked to the curb where he belonged.
Her boyfriend that she married eventually, took her pets as his own, when she moved out, her pets went with her. This was taught to her at an early age.
I see Cayter is only what 13, then her parents should have known better than to let her have a pet if she could not uphold her promise to take care of it. Now Ozzy is going back to a cage, and that is what is such a hurtful thought to me.
No, I won't blame Cayter, I will place the blame on her parents for not putting in her the value of the friendship she had with Ozzy, and like Kay said, putting things before a life.
I hope, Ozzy gets a wonderful home, where he is loved and appreciated.
Willie
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Um, excuse me ... as well?? No. I never apologized to you, and I have no reason to apologize to anyone. I've done nothing wrong. If anything, the only apologies anyone owes is to Cayter.
Wth? Where in the heck did I say you apologized to me?
You brought something about Jessica's bird into this, which made her upset and raged. Julie apologized. Is it hard to do so? NO
'As well' indicated that an apology needed to be said to Jessica, as well, not just Cayter.
Please.. I've received PM's apologizing for bringing up my situation, and for the upset it caused me. I am sure I reacted strongly when I should have just never commented at all, and let it go, but it is a very tender subject for me I guess.
Brooke and Julie and Kay have all talked to me privately and I am just wishing and hoping that at least for my part it will be dropped now. I am sorry to have caused/contributed as well to any more conflict.
We can all go back and forth giving our opinions, arguing, but the sad fact is Ozzy is gone and let us all hope he will end up with a great family and there is a happy ending to this sad story.
Like I mentioned before I think Cayter did the right thing, it would have been far more selfish to keep him, and even though it hurts a lot of people who have grown to love Ozzy as well, it is far better for him to be given the attention he deserves and needs.
Cayter will be going through hell right now, that I have no doubt in my mind, however she feels in her heart this is best for Ozzy, and we just have to respect that whether we like it or not.
I am going to post one more time about this issue because I was thinking about it all night. Even in my dreams and it was the first thing I thought about when I woke up. I really dislike it when I allow something on the internet to intrude upon my life like this.
trayi52.....EXACTLY! It is Cayter's parents I am most upset with.
YES. Cayter did the absolute right thing at this time in giving Ozzie back to the breeder. Especially rather than turning him into a shelter. But then that was probably in the contract they signed when they purchased him in the first place. That was probably the first right decision she made in this situation.
Where I am disappointed with the situation was that her parents purchased him for her in the first place. That they didn't teach her how important Ozzie should have been to her. That the opportunity to have a lifetime relationship with this magnificent dog should have been one of the most important things in her life. It is so very sad that this was never taught to her.
I see this more and more with young people these days. They are just given whatever they want without having to work for it. My parents would never have just given me at the age of 13 a dog as expensive as Ozzie must have been. When I say I bought my first horse at the age of 14 I meant exactly that. I BOUGHT HIM. With money I had been saving since the age of FIVE!. I saved every penny of my birthday, holiday etc money. when I was old enough to babysit that went into the bank account also until I had enough. The whole time my father was telling me I couldn't have a horse because he was afraid of them. When I was 14 he realized I wasn't giving up and that I had the MATURITY AND RESPONSIBILTY to be able to take care of a horse properly.
I grew up in a upper middle class area of Northern San Diego Co. A beach community called Encinitas. My parents had the money to buy me the horse but they never wanted to spoil me in that way. They wanted to be sure I VALUED the things and companions I had.
My friends parents for the most part felt the same way. The one who didn't almost killed her horse because she didn't take care of him properly.
I am saddened by this whole situation. But what also saddens me about it is the people saying we are being too harsh on Cayter. That we should all support her and be one big happy PT family. Well family and friends that actually care about you don't sugar coat your mistakes and tell you it is ok and you are a good person anyway no matter who or what you hurt in the process. That is called enabling...not supporting.
I think we have all been supportive in Cayter giving Ozzie back to the breeder. Just many of us also care enough to say that we are disappointed and upset about the whole situation so that Cayter also realizes that one of the natural consequences of her actions is that people lose respect and are disappointed in her. Perhaps that will help her learn from this whole mess.
And it isn't just her activities that Cayter wanted to spend more time on. For me it was the line where
This is what really set me off.Quote:
My parents were out of town last weekend, and we boarded Ozzy at the vet's. Darlin had time to relax, and we all had so much work off of our hands. It was nice. Of course I missed him, but I didn't miss having to spend my relaxation time dealing with him.
And to her parents I still say....SHAME.
Denyce
Thats it, Denyce, Values!!
I think we'll all feel a lot better about this situation if someone could post an update when Ozzy finds a new home and family. I believe you know the breeder, "GoldenRetrLuver"; could you ask about Oz and let us know how he's doing?
Nice to see nothing has changed at PT.
http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage32/5.GIF
Denyce you dont have to buy things yourself to value them, I had 2 of my pony/horse bought for me (at different times) 1 when i was 13, and the next when i was 15 both were no less speciel/value to the pony i brought myself (for £19 from meat market).
I dotn think i'm spolied for having these gifts as A: i didnt ask/begg/sulk whatever a spolied person does, i worked damn hard to keep them.
Weather you buy somthing or someone else does it should be equal value/speciel to you.
I think that Foam did the absolate best for ozzy, and yes i too would have done more to keep a dog, but MAYbe she even if she gave 1/2 things up there still wouldnt be time, her parents yes may have been wrong in getting him, could have devoted more time to him etc but things change, people change everybody is different.
I notice Fom hasnt posted in a while MAYBE its because all the bad things being said about her and her parents (which to me is the meanest thing to do, i hateit if/when anyone dis's my parents!!!)
Foam came here as a devoted pet owner/animal lover, and she still is, so try and be kind to her like when she had ozzy.
some of us have had to give up animals before and might have to again but we still care for them.
Ky
PS lighten up
You are right. You don't have to purchase them yourself. My POINT was that I worked hard for what I had and therefore it had great value to me. The same for your ponies I am sure.
No. I am not going to lighten up about this situation. Just this morning I was browsing the websites of the local kill shelters to see if there are any animals that I can contact different breed rescues about. There at the Central Pennsylvania Humane Society is a five year old beautiful little dilute calico. Reason for being given up???? Let me quote..."Given up because her owner had no time for her". Her name is Buttons. I am sure at one time she was loved and cared for. But hey you know.......people change...life changes...what can you do right?????? There are thousands of such animals in kill shelters in the US right this very moment...all given up for the same reason.....Given up because her owner had no time for her/him. For those of us that deal with the multitudes of discarded and unwanted animals this touches very dear to heart.
The only difference from all the information we have between the owner of that cat and Cayter is that she purchased Ozzie at a breeder and therefore was able to return him to the breeder rather than a shelter. So hopefully his next home will be his forever home and he won't be sitting on death row with the tag...Given up because owner had no time for him.
I know people are going to think I am slamming Cayter again. And I am sorry for that. It is not my intention because I truely think in her situation this was the best she could do. She was lucky that she had this option for Ozzie. Ozzie is lucky she had this option.
I just despair and become very upset with someone who tells me to "lighten up" with this type of situation. This is a forum for people who love pets and for them to share stories, to learn about others, health issues, training issues etc. But it is also a place for rescuing. For people who have a common goal to saving as many animals as they can. For those of us to come to a place where people will understand how we can go to bed at night sobbing because of the sad eyes of a pet that is being euthanized because they were.....Given up because her owner had no time for her. To be told to "lighten up" hurts like you wouldn't believe. I am just trying to reach some people to say....this is sad....so extremely sad...it happens so often all over the place and we as pet guardians and lovers have a responsibilty to try to educate the next generations as to the importance of pet "ownership". Why adopting them into our homes is sooooo very HUGE and why it is such a terrible thing to discard them. Yes there are times this is the only alternative. Just like some mothers have to put their children up for adoption. It happens yes...but it is never something we should just "lighten up" about.
As the famous saying goes.......If you are not part of the solution you are a part of the problem.
Geez I am long winded today. I think i am going to weed my flower garden.
Denyce
Very well said. I do a bit of the rescue stuff as well and I've seen it, also.
Yes you are right but i this particular case she was able to give him back to the breeder.
If i ever had to give up my dog (i will not will not will not EVER) i wouldnt hand her over to a rescue as there is a chance of her getting PTS i would advertise and evaluate the potentional owner myself and find the perfct home (so many people could do this) but its easyier to dump them in a shelter.
I tottally understand the shelter situations.
When i say lighten up i ment Lighten up on Foam as her situation seemed to works out well and for the best.
Ky