People of many, many races, creeds and religions died in the 9/11 attacks. There were Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Sikh, and more killed in the attack.
Christians were not the only victims.
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People of many, many races, creeds and religions died in the 9/11 attacks. There were Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Sikh, and more killed in the attack.
Christians were not the only victims.
Has there been a post about the Koran Burning Minister?
No, but this is one incidence when I think the 24-hour news cycle has made this one guy's stupidity much more of an issue than it ever needed to be. He's one guy in a church in Florida. Let him do whatever he wants, but if the news media hadn't decided it was so interesting/newsworthy/controversial, no one outside of his own community need have ever learned of it. Now it is internationally covered, which is just pathetic.
Does he have the right to do it? Yes. But I think he might be better served in his understanding of Islam and indeed his own religion if he read one, instead of burning it. But that wouldn't make him famous, now would it?
I've seen several reports on t.v. regarding this, yet not one of anyone supporting him. Everyone from the Pope to the Holy Rollers is against him. In one interview with him, he was asked if anything would change his mind about it. He said if God sent him a message and told him not to do it, then he wouldn't, but he didn't expect to hear any such message. Now isn't that a surprise??? :rolleyes: I think he'd better be looking over his shoulder, and fearing for his own safety, for quite some time to come, whether he does it or not! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
Frankly if he's piling Korans up and burning them he's turned off his link with God.
Nothing is gained by inflaming the masses. It's easier to win converts by kindness, and spreading hatred is hardly what Christ called us to do.
And I just heard on the news that he has already received over 100 death threats. Frankly, I'm surprised that it hasn't been more.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I hope that people keep their heads about this - it's not going to solve anything by killing him. :mad:
I wish the media would have just ignored the idiot. There's enough of this nonsense as it is but this is just fanning the flames. He's hardly a good example of a true Christian and definitely not as a good minister of the Word.
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Originally Posted by Karen
I think that about sums it all up nicely. The Media made this into a International event & they will probably stand by and report the burning
event for public consumption too. Hey, "they are just reporting the news".
Right.:rolleyes:
You mean hype the event shamelessly for public consumption?
After all, they're just creating the news.
May that evil minister rot in the fires of hell.
He is not only a disgrace to the Christian faith, he is a disgrace to humanity.
Shame on him. Shame on anyone who participates with him in this evil deed. Shame on anyone who supports him for this act.
I agree with you to a point, maybe just one point.Quote:
Originally Posted by popcornbird
He is disgracing the Christian Faith. However, he has the Right to do it.
I wonder what the Vegas odds are of him living if he goes through with this.
Whoaaaaaa.....I wouldn't wish that one on my worst enemy.Quote:
Originally Posted by popcornbird
I'm kinda glad you ain't running the country.
On the other hand, if the media didn't cover it, they'd be accused of "Islamaphobia" and hatred of Muslims, of trying to cover up the activity of a so-called Christian man and thereby favoring Christianity. Initially I was annoyed that they gave it coverage but now I see that they must do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Medusa
I know how awful I feel when I hear of people burning crosses and Bibles. No one should deliberately do something they know will hurt others. I hope those of the Muslim faith realize he is just one crazy old man, he doesn't represent most of us.
Well, I see no reason why they shouldn't realize it. After all, they're asking Americans to not judge an entire religion or all Muslims on the basis of a few radicals who attacked our country.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
Why would they be accused of Islamophibia if they ignored this one crazy guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Medusa
Because it would seem like they're favoring Christianity and excusing his actions rather than exposing them for what they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
But they don't report all the other crazy people, are they therefore in favor of everyone else? No, they just deem it uninteresting. Ignoring them is not condoning them it's ignoring them. By covering this man's hatred, they are promoting it.
Reporting is not synonymous w/condoning. It may be giving that person his 15 minutes but that's all it's doing. Besides, he's already backed down and has decided not to burn the Quran.
This is truly a catch 22 situation.
The media should have just written this off as one lone idiot, but they didn't in their ever pressing chase for ratings. Screw responsible journalism, we got to get those numbers!
Regardless of WHAT happens with this nutjob, now that it has hit the national and international media, it will be used by the propaganda machine of extreme islam to twist for their own purposes.
I truly wish that someone in the media would pull their heads out of their posterior JUST ONCE......and think before they report. This isn't checkers, guys, this is chess, and the terrorists are about 10 moves ahead.
Just heard on the news that the pastor has agreed not to burn the Quran because the Imam has decided not to go ahead and build the Mosque near ground zero. The pastor is going to New York to meet with the Imam.
Westboro Baptist had to chime in......
Maybe we can kill two birds with one stone?
http://www.ocala.com/article/2010090...f-Dove-doesn-t
According to the Imam, there is no such agreement. There may be a meeting but Rauf and the man that the pastor met with said that they intend to go ahead w/building it there as planned.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
Maybe someone should burn them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
This is what really sticks in my craw. They are bound and determined to build that Mosque there no matter who it hurts but they expect everyone to be sensitive to their being upset at the burning of the Quran. I still think if you are still doing something that you know will hurt others, it's wrong. They are wrong to build that Mosque there since it hurts so many and that pastor is wrong to burn their Holy book. Both sides need some sensitivity training. :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by Medusa
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Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
Moff, I agree with you.:) Does anybody think our soldiers are going to be
treated any better if there is no Koran burning? I think too much has been
made about how this will affect us or them.
There's already been one death in Afghanistan during demonstrations related to this. That's just one of probably many more that this God-fearing Christian pastor in FL can carry on his shoulders. :mad: What in the world is he trying to prove??? Enough already! This jerk isn't going to change any minds. If they want to build the mosque near ground zero, his actions are not going to stop it. If anything - it will probably make all involved just more determined. My opinion of course..........
This is going to be a counterinsurgency , Psyops and specops nightmare.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
Point blank.
There are moderate muslims on the fence and supporting the US who will easily be pushed over to the side of the Taliban.
THanks, Rev.
I have a hard time seeing how this act falls anywhere under Christ's interpretation of the law.
Cliff notes.
Mosques have specific architectural rules in the Muslim world. The "Ground Zero Mosque" does not follow those rules. The proposed building would historically be a "Rabat", structures built in enemy territory and used for resting troops as well as training for further raids into enemy territory.
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Islam center's eerie echo of ancient terror
By AMIR TAHERI
Last Updated: 8:35 AM, September 10, 2010
Posted: 5:34 AM, September 10, 2010
Should there be a mosque near Ground Zero? In fact, what is pro posed is not a mosque -- nor even an "Islamic cultural center."
In Islam, every structure linked to the faith and its rituals has a precise function and character. A mosque is a one-story gallery built around an atrium with a mihrab (a niche pointing to Mecca) and one, or in the case of Shiites two, minarets.
Other Islamic structures, such as harams, zawiyyahs, husseinyiahs and takiyahs, also obey strict architectural rules. Yet the building used for spreading the faith is known as Dar al-Tabligh, or House of Proselytizing.
This 13-story multifunctional structure couldn't be any of the above.
The groups fighting for the project know this; this is why they sometimes call it an Islamic cultural center. But there is no such thing as an Islamic culture.
Islam is a religion, not a culture. Each of the 57 Muslim-majority nations has its own distinct culture -- and the Bengali culture has little in common with the Nigerian. Then, too, most of those countries have their own cultural offices in the US, especially in New York.
Islam is an ingredient in dozens of cultures, not a culture on its own.
In theory, at least, the culture of American Muslims should be American. Of course, this being America, each ethnic community has its distinct cultural memories -- the Iranians in Los Angeles are different from the Arabs in Dearborn.
In fact, the proposed structure is known in Islamic history as a rabat -- literally a connector. The first rabat appeared at the time of the Prophet.
The Prophet imposed his rule on parts of Arabia through a series of ghazvas, or razzias (the origin of the English word "raid"). The ghazva was designed to terrorize the infidels, convince them that their civilization was doomed and force them to submit to Islamic rule. Those who participated in the ghazva were known as the ghazis, or raiders.
After each ghazva, the Prophet ordered the creation of a rabat -- or a point of contact at the heart of the infidel territory raided. The rabat consisted of an area for prayer, a section for the raiders to eat and rest and facilities to train and prepare for future razzias. Later Muslim rulers used the tactic of ghazva to conquer territory in the Persian and Byzantine empires. After each raid, they built a rabat to prepare for the next razzia.
It is no coincidence that Islamists routinely use the term ghazva to describe the 9/11 attacks against New York and Washington. The terrorists who carried out the attack are referred to as ghazis or shahids (martyrs).
Thus, building a rabat close to Ground Zero would be in accordance with a tradition started by the Prophet. To all those who believe and hope that the 9/11 ghazva would lead to the destruction of the American "Great Satan," this would be of great symbolic value.
Faced with the anger of New Yorkers, the promoters of the project have started calling it the Cordoba House, echoing President Obama's assertion that it would be used to propagate "moderate" Islam.
The argument is that Cordoba, in southern Spain, was a city where followers of Islam, Christianity and Judaism lived together in peace and produced literature and philosophy.
In fact, Cordoba's history is full of stories of oppression and massacre, prompted by religious fanaticism. It is true that the Muslim rulers of Cordoba didn't force their Christian and Jewish subjects to accept Islam. However, non-Muslims could keep their faith and enjoy state protection only as dhimmis (bonded ones) by paying a poll tax in a system of religious apartheid.
If whatever peace and harmony that is supposed to have existed in Cordoba were the fruit of "Muslim rule," the subtext is that the United States would enjoy similar peace and harmony under Islamic rule.
A rabat in the heart of Manhattan would be of great symbolic value to those who want a high-profile, "in your face" projection of Islam in the infidel West.
This thirst for visibility is translated into increasingly provocative forms of hijab, notably the niqab (mask) and the burqa. The same quest mobilized hundreds of Muslims in Paris the other day to close a whole street so that they could have a Ramadan prayer in the middle of the rush hour.
One of those taking part in the demonstration told French radio that the aim was to "show we are here." "You used to be in our capitals for centuries," he said. "Now, it is our turn to be in the heart of your cities."
Before deciding whether to support or oppose the "Cordoba" project, New Yorkers should consider what it is that they would be buying.
Is it true in Islam the family comes first, then the tribes, & then the country? I was told by a person that served in the military in Iraq that Islam is the religion & no culture goes with it. He said that there are now states in Iraq that have been set up. The tribes fight amongst each other so there is unrest inside the Islam religion itself.
Oh gosh, don't tell me I have to chose just one. I want to go to both.:D
http://www.wishtv.com/dpps/entertain...10-jgr_3584269
The motto of the United States Military Academy (West Point) is Duty, Honor, Country.
Joe Miller, Senate candidate in Alaska, is a West Point grad.
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The release of documents late Tuesday showing that Republican Senate nominee Joe Miller of Alaska lied about his misconduct while serving as a government attorney in Fairbanks delivered yet another blow to a tea party-backed candidate who was considered a shoo-in just two months ago, when he defeated incumbent Lisa Murkowski in the GOP primary.
The revelations, reported by the Associated Press and the Web site Alaska Dispatch based on public documents that a judge ordered released on Tuesday, show that Miller was caught using colleagues' computers for political business and that he lied about it repeatedly before admitting the wrongdoing. Miller was conducting his own poll in an effort to oust a state GOP chairman, and he used his colleagues' computers to vote in the poll, then erased their computers' caches to hide what he did.
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So was Custer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace
And he finished last in his class.Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
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Originally Posted by Grace
I didnt see, in the Democratic Political Ad... sorry news article, any mention of Joe Miller's offer to resign or any mention that the resignation was refused. Nor did I see any mention that the poll was non binding and that Mr Miller was testing the web site that was hosting the poll.
Grace, got any more pro liberal propaganda to push before Nov 2?
For blue.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
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Originally Posted by Grace
Good one Grace.:) Betcha he won't get it.;)
Dont take that bet. I dont get what that has to do with what I asked for.
I asked for pro liberal political propaganda. That puff piece doesnt qualify and it takes place after the Nov 2 election.
Im sure yall Libs are perfectly happy with Lisa Murkowsky silencing a radio host for encouraging listeners to do exactly what she has done in the upcoming election, register as a write in candidate.
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Originally Posted by blue
You asked for pro liberal propaganda to push before Nov 2 - that is what I gave you. You didn't say the event had to occur before November 2nd; you just asked that it be pushed before that date. You did not use the adjective political in your original query. You got exactly what you asked for - take it or leave it.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
I voted on Friday - the election is over as far as I'm concerned. Find your own propaganda.
A puff piece - wonder how the Veterans would view that as a description of an event honoring them for their service.