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Originally Posted by Grace
Don't think it was on TV, was it? Didn't see it, didn't look for it. Why bother
when I can just imagine the guy and get a headache.:D He's a trainwreck.;)
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Originally Posted by Grace
Don't think it was on TV, was it? Didn't see it, didn't look for it. Why bother
when I can just imagine the guy and get a headache.:D He's a trainwreck.;)
Since Im always willing to learn new stuff....
What are good left leaning talk radio shows, what are good left leaning TV shows, I can already find the left leaning press on my own so hit me with what yall listen/watch.
I rarely listen to anything on the radio except classical music and the Tigers games. TV - I watch Rachel Maddow, but not every night. There are priorities in my life - like baseball and hockey.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
I like Rachel because she doesn't scream, screech, interrupt, or talk over her guests. She has a preponderance of like minded guests, but is not afraid to have the opposite viewpoint represented. And she is always polite to her guests.
I don't always agree with her, but I enjoy her shows. She's been to Iraq twice during the summer, walking around in the heat with Richard Engle. This week she's in New Orleans.
It was broadcast live on C-Span.
The only people who can "spin your head in circles" are the people who you ALLOW to do so. Allowing a person to give you a headache by simply 'imagining' him... LOL How absurd to let any person do such a thing to you, especially when you have no REAL idea who they even are and clearly have no desire to understand them.
Ya know? For people who claim to be so open-minded and accepting of ALL people.... You do not make much of an effort to understand the people with whom your idols tell you to disagree with. But then again, that takes effort... So much easier to call people names.
Carry on! We don't really need you to make sure our posterity has a future worth looking forward to. Because the light always pushes the darkness aside.
Are you speaking to me, Puck?Quote:
Originally Posted by Puckstop31
Remember when I said this - post #2473 -
Then you responded with this, post #2475 -Quote:
You know, on a couple of occasions I have turned on Glenn Beck's mid-day radio show. I had to stop doing it.
He made no sense to me - within a few minutes my head would be spinning as he bounced from one nutty idea (at least that's how they seemed to me) to another. I don't understand where he is coming from, or where he is going.
I don't listen to, or watch, Keith Olbermann either. I'm more comfortable with hosts who don't scream and shout; hosts who don't repeatedly interrupt a guest.
Boy, I sure did misunderstand you. First you claim to understand where I am coming from - now you insult me.Quote:
He has RAGING ADD. LOL He admits as much. Maybe that is why I find it 'easy' to follow him.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Grace View Post
You know, on a couple of occasions I have turned on Glenn Beck's mid-day radio show. I had to stop doing it.
He made no sense to me - within a few minutes my head would be spinning as he bounced from one nutty idea (at least that's how they seemed to me) to another. I don't understand where he is coming from, or where he is going.
I don't listen to, or watch, Keith Olbermann either. I'm more comfortable with hosts who don't scream and shout; hosts who don't repeatedly interrupt a guest.
Must be my age
The more you listen, the more you understand him.
But, I totally understand the sentiment of him being hard to follow sometimes. It has nothing to do with age.
. All this talk of Obama makes me SICK!!! I am NOT his biggest fan. He is just horrible! Religion? Of course. I am a christian baptist. No offence to Richard here, but I would just find a new church instead of sittin around DRINKING and watching tv. No offence, just what I believe. I don't believe in drinking, and if you want to drink, it's fine, i will still be your friend, it does not matter.:) Some people believe in drinking and some dont. Obama is just messing America up... totally!!!
Only in the first paragraph and then not just you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace
I misunderstood what you meant by the term "spinning heads in a circle" when you used it the second time. I took it to mean that you found the message disagreeable, rather than difficult to follow due to his delivery style.Quote:
Remember when I said this - post #2473 -
Then you responded with this, post #2475 -
Boy, I sure did misunderstand you. First you claim to understand where I am coming from - now you insult me.
If you were insulted by what I said, I apologize. The post was written more for 'someone else'. :)
I loved the hemming and hawing of Al and Jesse.
If they were so interested in equality and justice?
EVERY YEAR they would get a permit for the steps and have some kind of rally.
Eff the both of them, they are nothing but opportunists and fame 'hors'.
Please,
They do not speak for me as a man, 'minority' or whoever else they want to align themselves with.
They push the 'minority' agenda-it's convenient to call us that because it shed a light on us that makes us seem like we are still second class citizens.
This home squeeze don't play that game....I don't think that I am any less than the next guy or gal.
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I also saw my president say that Katrina was a man made disaster.
Well, we'll see in five years what a PRESIDENTIAL MADE disaster the health care initiative is. I really can hardly wait for BO to take his place in the annals of history as the ------------ president ever.
I laugh every time I see BO does the head tilt/head shake/chin out movements everytime he thinks he is being noble and 'kingly'.
The emperor has no clothes on...
Just thought I'd toss that in.
Man made disaster...that's right, It's ALLL GWB's fault. Five years later...we will never move on as long as the buffons writing his speeches think that way.
Why, hell, I want to blame George Washington for everything.
I was watching REDEYE on the FNC /aug31st show/ and the opened with the Glen Beck rally story.
They quoted 6-7 news sources, one of them was the El Lay times, and each of them, in on form or another noted that the crowd was predominately/mostly/largely white.
So WTF did that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Sometimes I think that instead of race relations getting better? We just slide back down the ladder.
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Yesterday, Matt Taibbi got his arse handed to him by a woman on while they spoke about the same topic on a news program, I want to say that it was Anderson Cooper's program? It was CNN.
Taibbi is a really fun to watch, he's one of the 'new hip' electrojournalists that came from Rolling Stone magazine. He writes these opinion pieces that read more like slanted BS than real opinion tomes.
MT made a comment about there being only white people in attendance and the gal asked him how he knew that was a fact....
He saw it on TV.
That is the kind of spin that the "mainstream" media puts on shiat like the GB rally.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...LEFTTopOpinion
This piece is critical of Mr. Beck. But see what is said about the people.
The 'behavior' of the crowd will get little or no coverage because it IRKS THE LIVIN POOP out of people that wanted to see GB fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puckstop31
Now, I try to watch a little of 'them' all -'them' being all the talking heads on MSNBC, CNN, FNC, HLN and I truly find them to all be major league BWs.
Beck, sometimes irks me by his antics but, I really want to see Madcow, Olberman, Ratigan, any one of them to try and pull off an event like that.
Where were the reports of looting, assault, vandalism or ?????? that we associate with political rallies in the past?
What the hell is going on?
This 'kinder, gentler' form of gathering people is worrisome to me.
THere has to be some kind of evil that slow bubbles underneath the calm exteriors of you white people in that crowd.;)
I can bet that if they had allowed some Mexicans in there, there would have been problems. We would have set up stalls to try and sell water, popsicles or tacos....The nerve.
I liked the idea of getting people together and trying to find some kind of togetherness for the country.
Some of us cannot handle that because it means we'll have to behave ourselves and there will not be the tension we have come to know and complain about.
I love crowds, I have been to sporting events and concerts with 100,000 people around me and thought about how the promoters got so many people to 'behave' for a few hours.
Get on the freeway and check out a good traffic jam. Everyone, well mostly everyone, gets along and follows the rules for however how long it takes to clear up.
A few rules and a giant crowd?
I'll give that blubbering crybaby the respect he deserves. He pulled it off without a hitch.
I would love to see that AH losers that would show up to a Keith Olbermann rally....Come on Rachel!
She has women, dems, gays and a HUGE number of fans she could rally, but then the Right to Lifers will show up, PETA, Code Pink and maybe some anarchists, for flavor?
THe scariest thought to the people that talked about GB in unflattering terms is the fact that he did what he did and there was nothing to complain about afterwards.
Well, maybe the fact that 'whitey' took over and didn't let us 'minorities' come play on the lawn....:D;)
That's o.k.
I saw some pictures with some black and brown faces mixed into the crowd..
Even Glenn Beck couldn't keep us out.:p;):)
19 American troops killed in Afghanistan since Saturday.
source
Bob Herbert's latest piece from the NY Times -
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/op...31herbert.html
One of the reasons we’re in this state of nonstop warfare is the fact that so few Americans have had any personal stake in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is no draft and no direct financial hardship resulting from the wars. So we keep shipping other people’s children off to combat as if they were some sort of commodity, like coal or wheat, with no real regard for the terrible price so many have to pay, physically and psychologically.
Not only is this tragic, it is profoundly disrespectful. These are real men and women, courageous and mostly uncomplaining human beings, that we are sending into the war zones, and we owe them our most careful attention. Above all, we owe them an end to two wars that have gone on much too long.
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Originally Posted by Grace
Bob Herbert does not realize that they are the children of the United States, I dare go against his idea and say that they are my children, my brothers and sisters, my blood.
What a divine A.H.
Johnny's playroom
Is a bunker filled with sand
He's become a third world man
Smoky sunday
He's been mobilized since dawn
Now he's crouching on the lawn
He's a third world man
Ah, yes, the bunch of rich old men sitting in boardrooms and eating steak while sending others off to war argument...........
It was weak 40 years ago, it's even weaker now.
Start drafting people? All it will do is give the military recruits that frankly, they don't want. When the recruiters have problems meeting goals and they start relaxing standards, then maybe trot out that old canard.
Why are we in a state of endless war?
Because there is no single country we can go pound into the stone age and bring the troops home. We're good at that, we can do it with relative ease and speed.
We have to make certain groups realize that it's insane to fight the US on any terms........and ROE and a kinder, gentler military aren't going to cut it.
Take the gloves off, let the troops fight, let the generals on the ground make the decisions, not the politicians in Washington.
Once you make the decision to send in the troops, the troops need to be left to do what needs to be done........and the reporters and the fact finders need to find another place other than a war zone to find their facts from. There's nothing more irritating than trying to run an operation and having politicians and reporters cheeking up on the troops. It was irritating as all hell in a training environment, I don't even want to THINK about what I'd have done with a certain news crew in combat.
Andrew J. Castro, 20
Army, Specialist
Based: Ft. Campbell, Ky.
2nd Brigade Special Troops Battalion, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)
Supporting: Operation Enduring Freedom
Died: August 28, 2010
Babur, Afghanistan
Gender: Male
Hometown: Westlake Village
High School: Westlake High (Westlake Village)
Someone else's son.:(
Almost my neighbor.
Of course he realizes they are the children of the United States. Where did you get such a ridiculous idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
19 American troops have been killed in Afghanistan since Saturday. No comments on that fact?
This has already been happening - for a couple of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
From 2008.
Google and you'll find many more articles.
THe number of American troops killed, is quite frankly, pointless, as all it is is a reversal of the bodycount PR idiocy from Vietnam.
You engage in combat and press the enemy, you're going to have losses.
You tie the hands of the leaders in Theater, you're going to make those losses worse.
If you want the troops to win, then give them a way to win and stop getting in the damned way.
End the Bring all the troops home nonsense, all that accomplishes is a replay of Saigon.
End the false timetables, and equally as important end the fiction that we're not going to deal with people we officially don't like to end the mess.
We made deals with Stalin to win WW2............
Grace, your definition of relaxing the standards and mine are two different animals.
Relaxing the standards enacted to achieve social engineering within the military doesn't bother me.
First, my comments were not directed at you, nothing personal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace
Let's see, the 28th was Saturday........
A.J. Acosta died on that day.
So did 18 other soldiers that were someone else's kids, commodities like coal or wheat.........Dang, is that 9 coals and 9 wheats?
I apologize for paying extra special attention to him.
DUDE,Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
My prez was talking about NO VICTORY LAPS and I missed it.
LOL, He praised GWB.........It's still his fault.:);)
Al Gore is now a terrorist leader.
Link.
Priceless, but Al's crap has been feeding ELF and ALF for years.
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Originally Posted by blue
Better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
ETA: Can I be banned for editing my own post?
Further ETA: Wait , I didnt edit my post. Can I be banned for changing the context of my quote?
Much. :D
:d
ETA: Maybe by including Algore in this thread Ill get an interview with Limbaugh.
Well, that's one way of saying it.:D Simplistic is accurate.
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-09-01/p..._s=PM:POLITICS
Somebody has to foot the bill
The bill for Agent Orange comes due
By: David Rogers
August 30, 2010 04:32 AM EDT
Age and Agent Orange are closing in on Vietnam veterans, a legacy of hurt for those who served — and a very big bill for American taxpayers.
It’s a world turned upside down from decades ago when returning soldiers had to fight to get attention for deadly lymphomas linked to the herbicide. Now the frailties of men in their 60s — prostate cancer, diabetes, heart disease — lead the list of qualified Agent Orange disabilities, and the result has been an explosion in claims and the government’s liability.
The latest expansion, approved by Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki in October, adds ischemic heart disease and Parkinson’s and will cost at least $42 billion over the next 10 years. The VA estimates 349,000 individuals are already receiving Agent Orange disability benefits, and that number could soon reach 500,000 — or one out of every four surviving Vietnam veterans by the VA’s count.
As the costs rise, so do the questions about the science involved and the box Washington put itself in by failing to address Agent Orange’s impact more directly at the outset.
And because Vietnam service is still such a political minefield for American politicians, the most telling, often edgy debate is among veterans themselves.
“It is what it is. The anecdotal evidence of Vietnam veterans dying and getting diseases earlier is enormous,” said an exasperated Richard Weidman, an Army medic in the war and now legislative director for Vietnam Veterans of America. “I know five people in the VVA leadership alone who have been diagnosed with Parkinson’s. In no other side of my life have I seen anything like that.”
Yet for many who saw Vietnam firsthand, a 1-to-4 ratio of service-connected disabilities for Agent Orange strains credibility. And this is especially the case when the top conditions are heart disease and diabetes, two illnesses so linked to diet and lifestyle.
“Heart disease is a common phenomenon regardless of potential exposure to Agent Orange,” wrote Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) in a June letter to Shinseki challenging the secretary’s decision. A decorated Marine infantry officer in the war, Webb has since softened his tone after catching heat for his stance. But with his urging, the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee has scheduled a hearing for Sept. 23 on the new regulations, slated to take effect by December.
“I just want to understand the logic of how they decided this latest service connection,” said Webb. “This is a helluva awkward position to be in where I’ve been an advocate all my adult life on veterans’ benefits. I just want to know how they got to this point.”
Backing Webb is Anthony Principi, also a Vietnam veteran, and VA secretary under former President George W. Bush.
“He’s gotten some heat, but how can anyone question his patriotism and what he has done?” Principi said of Webb. “It’s got to be looked at; it’s got to be addressed. ... This is serious. The numbers are dramatic.”
“We’re 40 years later and we need to ask, is there a better way to do this? You want to do what’s right for veterans,” he told POLITICO. “At the same time, you want to protect the integrity of the disability compensation program.”
The convergence of cost pressures now is striking as captured by events on Tuesday this week.
That morning, the VA expects the Federal Register to publish the new Agent Orange rules to implement the latest expansion of benefits, including heart disease coverage. And that evening, President Barack Obama will speak to the nation on the U.S. transition between Iraq and Afghanistan, two fresh post-Vietnam wars with their own legacies of new disability claims.
In fiscal 2005, the annual cost of VA’s compensation obligations was $28.6 billion; for fiscal 2011, the number’s $48.8 billion — a $20.2 billion or 71 percent increase.
Still more worrisome is the government’s long-term unfunded liability, a number tucked away in VA’s annual financial reports. The latest for Sept. 30, 2009, shows an unfunded liability of $1.32 trillion for VA’s compensation and pensions account. That’s up almost $400 billion from $924 billion in a matter of five years.
Yet for many Vietnam veterans, now in their 60s and approaching retirement, the tax-free disability payments represent a valuable supplement to Social Security.
In the case of ischemic heart disease, VA is assuming that most claims will be treated as a 60 percent disability, which translates into about $1064 per month for a married veteran. If the same veteran were already on 20 percent disability for diabetes, the payment could be $1,333 or almost $16,000 annually.
The VA calculates that IHD claims will account for three-quarters — about $31.2 billion — of the 10-year costs associated with the latest expansion. Disability percentages are typically lower for diabetes, but the sheer number of claims — more than 239,000 since 2002 — dwarfs all others before heart disease was added.
For example, prostate cancer generated about 57,300 claims in the same period by VA’s count; lung cancer less than 11,600 and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma half that.
Congress will have 60 days to review the regulations put forward by Shinseki, but lawmakers already approved a $13.6 billion down payment to cover retroactive claims related to the secretary’s ruling. And with November’s election around the corner, no one expects a major rollback.
“The horse is out of the barn; it’s a mess.” said one outside scientist who has worked with VA on Agent Orange claims. House Veterans' Affairs Committee Chairman Bob Filner (D-Calif.) would go even further, extending the same disability benefits to thousands more veterans, such as “blue water” sailors who served on ships off the Vietnam coast.
“We owe this. It’s like a debt in my opinion,” Filner told POLITICO. “My motto is if you were there, we care.”
Indeed few topics touch more raw nerves at once: the bitter history of the Vietnam War, the often bad treatment of soldiers returning and the military’s early refusal to come to grips with the health impacts of its unprecedented use of the herbicide.
Agent Orange, which got its name from the orange-colored band on the storage barrels in Vietnam, was the most common of several dioxin-contaminated herbicide blends employed in Indochina over an almost 10-year period during the war. Literally thousands of tons were sprayed by the U.S. to try to destroy the jungle canopy and mangroves but also to clear tall grasses around American fire support bases.
It follows that exposure was greatest for those assigned to the spraying or in combat infantry units on the ground underneath — a fraction of the total U.S. force. But after a period of denial, the government gave up sorting out military records and said any veteran who put “boots on the ground” in Vietnam from early 1962 to May 1975 would be presumed exposed.
“Do you deny the deserving, or do you include in the presumption those people who may not have been exposed?” adds Dr. Victoria Cassano, a senior VA official dealing with environmental agents and Agent Orange. “The greater evil is to deny people who deservedly should be compensated for diseases because of this exposure.”
But Principi admits he still struggles with his role in what proved a sea change in policy, adding Type 2 diabetes to the list of presumed Agent Orange disabilities. The regulations were among the first order of business on his desk when he arrived in 2001, and from his war experience and prior service in VA, the new secretary brought with him an emotional tie to the late Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, who commanded Navy swift boat forces in Vietnam and watched his own son — a Navy Vietnam veteran as well — die of a cancer that the father attributed to Agent Orange exposure.
“It puts secretaries in a very untenable position,” Principi said. “I didn’t really care about the cost; our responsibility was to take care of veterans. But at the same time, I wanted to make sure the science was there and I just struggled with it.”
In fact, there’s a real disconnect between the outside scientists who advise the VA and the decision makers themselves. Congress can be faulted for the loose standard of proof it set in the 1991 Agent Orange Act to guide the process. But without more science — especially studies of veterans themselves — the integrity of the disability process is vulnerable to attack.
The chief outside actor is the Institute of Medicine within the National Academy of Sciences. Every two years since the mid-90s, IOM has produced detailed reports — volumes as thick as 682 pages with recommendations and updates of what scientists worldwide have learned relevant to Agent Orange’s impact.
Over time, these reports have led to a steady expansion of the diseases presumed to be associated with exposure to the herbicide. But often IOM and VA seem to talk past one another as to what the science means.
“You are asking for the balancing of two different value systems, to come up with an answer and address a harm done to a person,” said Dr. Jeanne Stellman of Columbia University who has done extensive research on Agent Orange. “How do you translate science into law and policy?”
“The decision is very easy if it says no or if it says absolutely. In between is when there is imprecision,” said Dr. Robert Jesse, VA’s principal deputy under secretary for health. And that often comes back to this question: What does IOM really mean when it says there is “limited or suggestive evidence of an association” between a disease and exposure to Agent Orange?
To hear IOM tell it, the category was never meant to be all decisive but more of a middle niche: “Something might be emerging here, something to keep an eye on,” one scientist told POLITICO. Along the same lines, a special IOM panel in 2008 went back and looked at the 2001 decision on diabetes and argued that the VA would have done better to test the association against “high-quality data for a representative cohort of veterans.”
VA officials answer that they are bound by the legal construct of the 1991 Agent Orange Act, which requires the secretary to respond within 60 days to any evidence of a positive association cited by IOM — however tentative.
“We can’t dismiss it,” said Cassano. “We have to take it as a positive association even though it states it as the lowest level of a positive association. We have to consider it credible.”
Asked if she were comfortable, as a scientist, with an end result where one in four Vietnam veterans could soon be getting service-connected Agent Orange disability payments, Cassano didn’t back down.
“Yes,” she said flatly. “We are comfortable with it; it is the right thing to do; it is the legal thing to do. ... When you are working in the VA and you have statutory requirements and basically a directive, a mission to be advocates for veterans, you are therefore bound by those parameters, and it really doesn’t matter much what outside scientists say.”
A closer look at Shinseki’s decision on IHD illustrates some of these conflicts.
It was a 14-member panel for the IOM that set the ball rolling in its 2008 update, released last year. A similar panel in 2006 had been divided on the heart disease question, but after revisiting the question, IOM elevated the illness to the category of “limited or suggestive evidence of association.”
That decision was driven in part by newly published evidence showing a dose-response curve: the greater the exposure to Agent Orange, the greater occurrence of heart ailments. “When you see a dose-response curve, then you are much more inclined to be thinking causal,” said Jesse.
The VA had contributed an important piece with a 2006 study analyzing the incidence of heart disease among Vietnam veterans who had served in the Army Chemical Corps. And Shinseki, who himself served in Vietnam, found that this built on well-established evidence that dioxins present in Agent Orange could damage blood vessels. “Veterans who endure health problems deserve timely decisions based on solid evidence,” he said.
Nonetheless, the leader of the IOM panel, Dr. Richard Fenske of the University of Washington, told POLITICO that he was “surprised by the speed” with which the VA decided to add the presumption for heart disease. And Weidman argued that the department repeatedly ignores what he sees as a central tenet of the 1991 law: that more should be invested in scientific studies of veterans themselves.
“The whole concept of the 1991 law was to leave it to science, not politics, but we haven’t invested in the science in the 20 years since,” he said. In a shot back at Webb, he added: “If you want more scientific data, fund the damn science.”
For all the debate over Agent Orange, what’s most surprising is how little or no effort has been made to track down specific infantry units that operated in the widely sprayed areas of Vietnam.
Instead, decisions are more often dependent on extrapolating data from studies of other populations: European and Asian chemical and agricultural workers, for example. The VA study of the Army Chemical Corps stands out for at least being Vietnam-centric. But even there, the focus did not include the great many more ground troops who were not involved in the actual spraying.
With so many claims on file now, the VA could work backward, identifying which units veterans served with in the war and their location in respect to the spraying. “The associations may be very much stronger if we really had the proximity data of where people served,” Jesse said. But to his frustration, Weidman has found that the VA’s health data is kept in a manner that this is not easily searchable. “They don’t want to know,” he said.
The biggest new effort is an old one: After almost a decade of delay, the VA is preparing to make another run at the long-promised National Vietnam Veterans Longitudinal Study to take a broad view of lasting health problems. A contract is expected to be awarded this fall, and, if successful, this could be the broadest assessment of ongoing Vietnam veteran health problems since the late '80s.
But the more lasting impact of the Agent Orange experience may be on the treatment of future veterans — not Vietnam’s.
At the end of a long interview, VA officials perk up most when the subject turns to VLER — their new “virtual lifetime electronic records” initiative to track each future veteran’s health charts from enlistment to grave. Included would be data from the military as to what toxic threats a soldier might be exposed to. “We will be able to know what levels of exposure there were to chemicals,” said Cassano.
And did Agent Orange influence this?
“Oh, certainly it has,” she said.
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I worked in a med records room for 13 years. While I do not agree with theQuote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
goverment putting EVERYONES records on the internet, I do not see why this was not done earlier for the vets. IT is the least we can do for them.
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P.S.
I saw that GWB was playing golf this morning.
While Earl tears up the East Coast he is out and about, playing games.
You would have thought he learned from Katrina.:confused::eek:;)
Gasp. Not 19 AMERICAN TROOPS! Ugh. Why is there war, anyway?! :confused: It doesn't make since, when we all have the option of living in peace. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace
Answer that one and you'll have EARNED a Nobel prize.
Economics, racism, many other Isms......
Lost of reasons for war.
Dividing people is easy. Unification takes work. Work is hard, people by and large are lazy, work doesn't happen, division and strife take over.
What would really be nice if Vets could receive a special card to go to the medical care center of their choice. We already are paying for VA Hosptials, doctors & staff, just keep the big major VA Hospitals open. A lot of Vets have to drive a long way to get treatment at a VA Hospital the way it is. At least give the Vets a choice. It would be a sanity saver for everyone.
Here we have what is called a "Gold Card".Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonny
It entitles the bearer to free health care, meds, doctors, dentists, opto, hospital....everything related to the vets health....the card can be used anywhere anytime. Everything is completely free. And if one has to travel a distance to see a doctor or go to hospital etc etc....the card entitles you also to travel, accommodation and meal costs.
I have had one now for about three years........it's for the rest of my life.
If a vet has no war related problems, then they don't get the card until they turn 70....and when the vet dies, his wife gets it for the rest of her life.
Wow...good for you!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
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http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/09...-unscripted-d/
I have three words for Ms Brewer.
Teleprompter.
;)
I really don't get the idea of carring a cross to remind people of the
911 terriost attack.:confused: Seems like mixing religion with a hateful
attack inspired and carried out for political reasons.
http://www.justnews.com/news/2486399...tml?source=mia
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
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Originally Posted by RICHARD
Aheh heh heh
Aside from which.. Christians were hardly the only victims in the 9/22 attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
You're kidding. So we, in this family, are Christians. And they were the victims..... oh my. I had no ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by phesina