Debbie, I hope I did not hurt sirrahveds feelings, if I did, I certainly didn't mean to. Sirrahved, if I hurt your feeling I am deeply sorry, and hope you will accept my sincere apolgy. You too Debbie, I don't want to hurt any of your girls.
Willie
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Debbie, I hope I did not hurt sirrahveds feelings, if I did, I certainly didn't mean to. Sirrahved, if I hurt your feeling I am deeply sorry, and hope you will accept my sincere apolgy. You too Debbie, I don't want to hurt any of your girls.
Willie
An observation....
We were all children at one time, What happened?;)
Not much, we still fight on the playground, only now we call it *discussion*:rolleyes: We are still children, i think.Quote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
An observation....
We were all children at one time, What happened?;)
And your point is....
oh wait ..RICHARD!!!...no *point* necessary:D :p
Where would I put my hat then?:cool:Quote:
Originally posted by sirrahbed
oh wait ..RICHARD!!!...no *point* necessary:D :p
I feel exactly the way mom feels....
A soul is for humans only it is what is judged-- but animals may be in heaven. They just can't get damned.
And now that I've clarified, I don't need to say any more.
Even though, I disagree, you have stated you opinions nicely, in a way that doesn't inflame or hurt feelings. I like you. :)Quote:
Originally posted by sirrahved
I feel exactly the way mom feels....
A soul is for humans only it is what is judged-- but animals may be in heaven. They just can't get damned.
And now that I've clarified, I don't need to say any more.
I refrain from comment, because I know my religious views, or lack thereof, would only add fuel to the fire, and I choose to disregard the religious turn this thread has taken.
Let's get back to the original topic, please...
Righto ILR!
I spoke to a few of my childfree teachers this week about their decisions not to have children, and one of them said something very touching to me. "By teaching, I get to touch and help shape the lives if THOUSANDS of children, rather than just one!"
She's one of my favorite teachers of all time, and hearing her say something like that was just icing on the cake! What an awesome lady! ^_^
WolfChan, isn't that the truth!!?? That is exactly what she is doing. What a great calling she has! She gets to help shape a human beings life.
Oh, thats good, WolfChan, very good, I could agree more. She certainly has a lot of children. Every year they change and more lives come in for her to shape and mold. Sometimes a teacher can get through to a child when the parent cannot.
Willie
Very true!! I was much more inclined to listen to a few teachers in particular when I was growing up, mostly because I DIDN'T have to spend every day with them!
I sure agree with that statement. I have very good memories of one specific teacher who made me feel it was OK to sing out:D My hubby is a teacher and I know it means a great deal to him when his "kids" remember him as being a good teacher.Quote:
Originally posted by trayi52
Sometimes a teacher can get through to a child when the parent cannot.
what is a daughter in love?Quote:
Originally posted by sirrahbed
I know the Harris family gets confusing - let me clear it up:
Sirrahsim (Missy) is my daughter
Sirrahved (Devon) is my daughter-in-love
Sirrahbed is me and I am the MOM
seriously I am not trying to be the big B word!! I just wondered if she was engaged to your son???? or I am offffff the walllll.
wow
my what happened!!!
I just read thru this and I commented then thought better of it then deleted it.
All I am going to say is that saying that animals don't have souls hurts *me*. B/c I have looked into the eyes of animals that have been abused and now are loved. I think that My little Kylie Kat is one of the most beautiful little souls ever.
If my animals aren't in heaven then I don't want to be there.
If they aren't any animals in heaven then there are going to be a looooottt of unhappy people!
I certainly do believe that animals have souls. If you look at their expressions you can read their thoughts and see deeper into their minds, thus revealing their souls. They can tell us things in such explicitly displayed methods that most humans cannot.
Interesting! I guess I don't pay much attention, or maybe I only read the first few letters of a name ... but I really thought there was only ONE Sirrah... person! Dumb me!! LOL! :DQuote:
I know the Harris family gets confusing - let me clear it up:
Sirrahsim (Missy) is my daughter
Sirrahved (Devon) is my daughter-in-love
Sirrahbed is me and I am the MOM
Wow ... this thread has gotten WAY off-topic .... from why people choose not to have children, to whether or not animals have souls. And, for once, I am NOT to blame for it! :D
Hey! I think I finally figured out the Sirrah family user names! I was incredibly confused by them for months, but now I think I get it. Someone, tell me if I'm right! :p
Their last name's Harris........(Sirrah backwards), and the rest of their user name is the first three letters of their names backwards. Like Debbie's is *bed* (opposite or deb), and Missy's is *sim* (opposite of mis), and Devon's is *ved* (opposite of dev). So Sirrahbed is really *DebHarris* backwards, and SirrahSim is really *MisHarris* backwards, and Sirrahved is really *DevHarris* backwards! I think I got it! Am I correct? :p It took a lot of observation to figure that out! LOL!
I was wondering if *Daughter-in-love* was your way of saying daughter-in-law? :confused: Another Sirrah confusion!
Yes, thats it Poppy, and I think the way Debbie described her daughter-in-law is really very sweet. Daughter-in-love, sounds really sweet, may everbody end up with such a sweet mother-in-law as Debbie is to hers.
Now back to the program, commercial is now over, LOL!:)
Wow .. that WAS pretty observant of you! I'm impressed! I wasn't even observant enough to notice that they were three people instead of one person! LOL!Quote:
Originally posted by popcornbird
Hey! I think I finally figured out the Sirrah family user names! ... It took a lot of observation to figure that out!
CONGRATULATIONS POPPY!Quote:
Originally posted by popcornbird
Hey! I think I finally figured out the Sirrah family user names!
You are exactly right! Screen names were getting so hard to make up that I started the backwards thing years ago, then Missy did it also before she got married but she still uses it:D
Daughter-in-love is just something I made up instead of daughter-in-law which sounds so impersonal for someone who is part of my family. In LAW sounds ....legal!:p
sheesh - I don't even remember what this thread was about!!!
I DO know that I am not going to spend so much time in the DogHouse though:rolleyes: Most of it has been nice - getting to hear views from people I would never have a chance to otherwise dialog with, but...well....SHEESH!!
ppsstQuote:
Originally posted by sirrahbed
I DO know that I am not going to spend so much time in the DogHouse though:rolleyes: Most of it has been nice - getting to hear views from people I would never have a chance to otherwise dialog with, but...well....SHEESH!! [/B]
Debbie
You are allowed to go wherever you feel comfortable on this board!!! So be not afraid!!! ;)
And You're invited to the meeting toooooo!!!!!
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Originally posted by sirrahbed
CONGRATULATIONS POPPY!
You are exactly right!
Yippee! :D I knew I was smart! ;) LOL
Well it went through several phases, but it is now about YOU (and your family)!! :D Hehehe...Quote:
sheesh - I don't even remember what this thread was about!!!
Since almost the beginning of this thread there is a thing that is bothering me and I wanted to keep it for myself (knowing what a war I could start with it), but I decided I have to say it. If it is a discussion, then you have to discuss all its aspects.
How on earth a woman that cannot stand kids, could think of adopting or fostering a child?! The unpleasant aspect of raising kids can be dealt with only love for the children and, in my opinion, with the instinct of protecting your offsprings that only arises when you give birth. I know, there are woman that could do just the same for the kids as if they were her own, but NOT THOSE THAT CANNOT STAND CHILDREN. If I worked for the social service, I would be very selective with prospective parents and one of my main issue would be: WHY they have no kids?
I respect the right to chose if one wants to have children or not. It is not about it. It is right to have them and it is right not to have them. It's one's choice. To be honest with yourself and the world it's the hardest thing.
I am sure, a lot of you will be upset at me. Please be. This is my opinion, and when I have an opinion it's not only that I WANT TO HAVE AN OPINION OF MY OWN, but it is based on something. I've grown to my opinion.
And I hope Missy will delete this thread, even if it is in the Dog House. There were some things said that give me goosebumps.
Mom Harris,
I think it is amazing you remain so calm on a thread where there have been 'attacks' against your family. You still post with maturity and kindness, while letting us know you don't appreciate the words some of us use- like me. While I don't like to hurt people with my words (or my fists), it is hard for me to just let some things go. I think if some people throw flames at me, and my beliefs (animals being in Heaven), then, they should expect, or at least accept, me throwing flames back. Is it mature? Possibly not, but, hurtful talk is hurtful talk- no matter who it comes from. To maintain a position of religious superiority while throwing barbs is just plain wrong. :(
I totally agree with you. That is a very valid point that kept running across my mind too. I hear horror stories about foster homes where the children are neglected/abused/not loved or cared for. Not saying anyone on PT would do that, but its just so sad to me.Quote:
Originally posted by Vio&Juni
How on earth a woman that cannot stand kids, could think of adopting or fostering a child?! The unpleasant aspect of raising kids can be dealt with only love for the children and, in my opinion, with the instinct of protecting your offsprings that only arises when you give birth. I know, there are woman that could do just the same for the kids as if they were her own, but NOT THOSE THAT CANNOT STAND CHILDREN. If I worked for the social service, I would be very selective with prospective parents and one of my main issue would be: WHY they have no kids?
There were some things said that give me goosebumps.
I got pretty freaked out over a lot of things said in this thread too. That is why I haven't posted until now. There were some terrible things said in another related thread here in the Dog House, but I guess those were deleted along with my reply.
I personally think that it's undeniable and obvious that animals have souls. Just look at them. Check out their behavior patterns, look into their eyes. Notice how they react when hurt or abused, or cuddled and loved. Isn't that enough to persuade any sane, intelligent person?
… and, since this thread has got well and truly confused, I feel free to state another FACT:
MY CAT IS MORE INTELLIGENT THAN THE MAJORITY OF HUMAN BEINGS.
This must be a fact because I believe it! :D
:D :D :D
Oh you funny!
Denyce
Just reviewing and found this! Now remember I am an RN, have worked L&D, yes and Lit teacher too - went through degree collecting stage - "finding myself" (now home kitty mom) so anything medical fascinates me but personally I really liked having the mirrors! I also like watching births on Health TV or whatever you call it. For one thing, it takes your mind off some of the action (if you are the laboring mom) and the whole thing is utterly fascinating! I mean, don't you gasp in wonder at watching puppies and kitties being born? I have only seen it on Animal Planet but it is great! Now as far as sharing these photos etc at the office - Uh-Uh. Johanna - when your time comes - I hope you at least give the mirrors a try - they do help you to focus on the birth and OFF the contractions, etc and really participate in the delivery! (think about it:D ) It's not gross, no way. All NORMAL & NATURALQuote:
Originally posted by Cataholic
"oh, just wait til delivery and they have a mirror larger than a big screened tv...so you (meaning me) can watch the birth.."...I was like, "gross! why would I want to see that?" He he he...who knows, maybe I will change when the time comes, but, it seems kind of gross to me :eek:
Oh, Debbie I agree! I got to watch my youngest be born, I loved It. I even got to watch my youngest granddaughter be born! Guess what she came out looking at me! I swear she did.
I have seen a little bit of everything be born, and helped with the births, from kittens, puppies, calves, colts and I don't remember all, I was born on a farm and there were births of all kinds going on.
But of course it is your decision, they put me to sleep with my first two births, or something that makes you forget everything. Wake up and you got a baby. LOL, but Johanna, at least have the mirror there in case you want to open your eyes and get a little glipsey at that beautiful little boy entering the world. You don't have to look.
Willie:)
I respect the honesty of that answer! Not everyone is cut out for or obligated to have kids. There are far too many kids out there these days with parents who should have refrained from having them.Quote:
Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
I can't really give you much more straight of an answer; I just don't like kids. Period. No offense, but they just don't 'appeal' to me. Even when I was a *wee* little girl, I had no interest in babies, just animals; according to my parents. :)
I work with a couple of different people who have made the choice to have animals rather than children...it works great for them. They love their animals as much as anyone else I know loves their kids.
Knowing both of these women, I think they both made the right choices. I really can't see either of them with children. They are great women...they just don't feel that need to raise a child.
I agree with you nibblets, just because you chose not to have children, it sure doesn't mean your a lesser person. Like you, I know some wonderful people that chose not to have children. You could not ask for better people than they are!
Willie:)
Thank You! :)Quote:
Originally posted by nibblets
I respect the honesty of that answer!
Now, if only some of my friends/family members could understand that. "You're still young...I'm almost positive you'll change your mind." NO, I won't! I'll stick with Dogs- please! ;)
lol,
This ticked me off..
I listen to dr. Laura every so often......it's the best comedy show on the radio....for everyone else...She is a judgemental radio wanna be doctor..her degree is in biology-she dispenses advice on personal problems
Anywho,
a woman called about and 18 month old child who was being baby-sat (?) by her brother....the kid broke a 1200 dollar vase.
The brother wants his sister to pay for the vase. While describing the brother the woman said he was 40, single, had never married and had no children..
The 'good' doctor made a comment like, "oh he's really strange"-
I understand why people would want not to have children- I, for a long time wanted children. But that soon burned out of me, for personal reasons.
To me it's like Coke or Pepsi, either or, I like Coke, I like Pepsi.....it's a personal taste.
It does not make me any less of a person if I do not have kids, It does not make me any more of a person if I did.
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When I worked next to the Labor and Delivery rooms
I heard the screaming, yelling and cursing that went on.....
My best friend went thru labor for 20 some hours before a C-section....
:eek:
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I have enough problems taking care of myself.
I adore kids and I am very good with them, actually my friend on the phon just finnished syaing I should be a child counclier because I am really good at making kids feel better about themselves etc. and even over the winter a little girl did not want to give her sister a chance with the sled, I went over had a little friendly, not stern or angry or demading at all, just told her politly to give her sister a chance with the sled, and she said ok, and happily gave the sled to her sister lol now even though I am great with kids I really dont want one myself. now I would love to work with kids when I am older, but I would never want one myself.
In case anyone was wondering, I'm still here, just quietly watching all of the drama. I think there is a lot of good information in the first half or so of this thread and it would be a shame to delete it, perhaps I can get Karen to lock it instead? There have been many people who really opened up on this thread, some feelings were hurt, and yes many barbs were thrown on this thread as well as by PM. It is sad that threads which bring together people of different backgrounds and opinions often digress into arguing*sigh* but I suppose that's just how it is and always will be. Whatever you believe in, cling to that and be strong. No one should be able to change your opinion but yourself:)
Closing this thread as requested by its originator.