If thats the only Big O you know....Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
To many jokes and none of them family friendly.
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If thats the only Big O you know....Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
To many jokes and none of them family friendly.
The BP guy was at yacht race and he's getting pummeled about it.
My prez was at the Nationals baseball game recently.
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And today while the BP guy watched the Yacht race Obama played golf!!?
What does the BP guy & BO care it is Fathers Day. :rolleyes: Let the oil plug up the Gulf it will be there tomorrow who cares?!?!?! :mad: While birds & fish die, people are now unemployed & the Gulf is one big pile of oil sludge. WHOOOPPPEEEE! For those who are unresponsible!:mad: A-- H----!:mad:
What effects, praytell, would the presence of the CEO of BP and/or President Obama have on the situation in the Gulf?
None.
Instead of working to fix things, the people involved would be playing kiss *** with the brass.
Lady's Human, I always thought you started at the top & worked your way down to the bottom? In this situration I don't thing either end makes any difference.
I have to laugh at all the grandstanding in DC over this.
They grilled the CEO of the company about the well in question, and the media went nuts when the CEO didn't know the specifics involved with THAT well.
If they had the site engineer on the stand and he didn't know, there's a problem.
The CEO is probably an MBA or equivalent. Not an engineer, not a part of the drilling crew, he oversees the operations of BP on a global basis.
To make a military comparison, the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff shouldn't be on the stand answering questions about the actions of a Lieutenant in charge of a platoon, and shouldn't be expected to know the details of what the Lieutenant was doing.
You can delegate authority but not responsibility. Something our political "leaders" would do well to remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
So, yes, it speaks volumes to see CONgress grill him about not knowing the day to day details of how a rig runs. It just reinforces the fact that very, very few of those clowns have any idea what running a buisness is all about.
To add a military comparison... I had the 'joy' of giving a ride and tour to a 2 star general who spent his whole career in Quartermaster Corps (Supply, aka bean counter.) My very first words to him before he touched the tank. "Sir, do not touch ANYthing with out asking first. This thing is built to kill and it does not care who it kills. Also, the only thing soft in there is YOU." Ya shoulda seen to look I got. "How dare this Sergeant talk to me like that." LOL Not 20 seconds inside and he bumped his head, hard, on the Commanders sight extension. "See, I told ya so, Sir."
Big time leader who's job was to give us go juice and bullets. Does not mean he knew dookie about what happened after that. I didn't know the details of HOW the stuff got to us. I just know that it did.
Oil, Oil, Oil?
Oldie but goodie
http://spectator.org/archives/2006/01/11/oil-oil-oil
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Just heard over the weekend that Nancy Pelosi moved into her new offices, that will cost us 225,000 a year in rent. I was mad at first, then heard they were green office spaces.
That kinda sucks because she ain't gonna be in there for long.
Effing moron.
BP ignored direction from Haliburton about safety – must be Al Gore’s fault.
BP ignored the advice, complaints and concerns of its own employees about safety on the oil rig – President Obama’s fault of course!
A Congressperson from Texas who is DEEP in the pocket of the oil companies (is there any other kind of Texan???) apologized to a foreign company responsible for a hideous disaster causing major damage to this country. For what did he apologize? Because the government of the United States DARED to try and hold that foreign company accountable.
Earlier someone asked what we will tell future generation. Apparently we will tell them “doo-doo” happens especially when you get greedy, cut corners, ignore advice – especially from those who actually do the job.
And when that “doo-doo” gets really deep and really bad – blame someone else – someone you don’t like. All that matters is that your stockholders get their dividends, you don’t get too exhausted and the mess you made doesn’t dirty your yacht.
Lesson taught – whatever you do wrong – it is someone else’s fault! Just spin, spin, spin.
I love virgin olive oyl.
Popeye ruined if for me.
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Did you say something?
Who's deep in the pockets of the oil companies?
For thirty years we've listened to politicians bleat about our dependence on foreign oil.
Nuclear power is a legit option.......but it was killed by trial lawyers and hollywood overreacting to an accident which wasn't a disaster, it was a proof of concept.
A plant had a catastrophic failure, and a bunch of people got the radiation equivalent of an extra dental X-ray.....if they were living a mile or less from the plant. Result? Panic, lawsuits and essentially the destruction of an industry which COULD have reduced our dependence on oil.
Inshore drilling? Nope, can't do it, too dangerous.
Offshore drilling? Nope can't do it, too dangerous.
Coal? Nope, can't do it, too dangerous and too much pollution, regardless of how the smokestack emissions are handled.
Hydro? Nope, can't do it, regardless of how fish friendly we can make the dams.
Wind? Nope, can't do it, it will ruin our view. (Doesn't work all the time anyway)
Solar is impractical, low energy density and messy to construct...........unless of course, we do it in space, which we can't do, because NASA is just a waste of money we could use to guarantee another dependent generation of voters. Social programs are far more important than something that could actually give people gainful employment and solve a problem.
There are many alternatives to oil currently available............but people need to decide whether we're going to actually DO something, or just listen to another generation of political idiots bleating about a problem no one wants to really solve, because they are ALL to busy getting money from one group or another, which, in the long run, keeps us dependent on oil and guarantees that no solution will be USED. Note, not FOUND, USED!
You forgot geothermal......:confused::(;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
I completely forgot geothermal.
Mea culpa.
I purposefully left out a few really freaky technologies which are possible, but not probable (MHD), or far too weather sensitive (Tidal, and a couple of really oddball thermal techs)
Just don't let it happen again....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Who is blaming the President on a exclusive level?
Follow the money. You know, never let a crisis go to waste.
Obama authorizes a 2 billion dollar loan to Brazil's oil company, Petrobas. Petrobas is going to drill almost 1500 meters DEEPER than the Deepwater Horizon. (I thought the accident that happened was because it was to risky because it was too deep?) Better yet, who is Petrobas's largest shareholder? You guessed it... George Soros.
How much did ole' Georgy donate to Obama's campaign? Who is the real winner by just banning all offshore drilling? Hmmmmm....
From 2009... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...120524166.html
Never let a crisis go to waste indeed. "Look over here! Lets beat up the 'evil' Texans. Never mind what's going on over there...."
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FWIW, BP indeed made mistakes. Seems to me they are paying for them. I wonder what will happen to the 'insiders' who also have a role in the blame trail?
Right... Some people are pathologically incapable of admitting a mistake. Bummer, because the best medicine is the kind that tastes bad.
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It's fun watching the worst administration in US history** flail away. Fun and yet so very sad that it took what is going on to wake the people up.
**That's saying something, considering what we have recently endured.
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Side note.... STILL with the out of context "doo doo" line? LOL I always wanted to be (in)famous.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem..._oil_spill.php
It seems like deja vu all over again?
Great post! Sure, there is a lot of "blame" to go around but ultimately it falls on BP, they cut corners and ignored a crew member who reported a problem with a part that wasn't working properly. I saw an interview with 5 of the survivors from the rig explosion, they said there were 3 explosions in all. Earlier that day, 3 of them witnessed a heated discussion between a BP honcho and the drill master. The project was 5 weeks behind schedule and $26 million over budget. The BP honcho said there were to be changes in procedure and the drill master objected saying it was too dangerous. BP said it was not open for discussion, that was how it was to be done and stormed out. We know what happened as a result. And BP has the nerve to continue to minimize the extent of this disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
I agree with Edwina's Secretary's post for the most part except to remind everyone BP is not exclusively a "foreign" company, it is almost 50% owned by the US.
It seems you have a fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puckstop31
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Why are so many people lining up to scapegoat BP? They arent the only ones who caused this mess. Everybody who hand a hand in this disaster that stood by and let it happen should be held accountable, and actually held accountable in a court of law not a Chicago style shakedown. Transocean, Haliburton, state and fed agencies who signed off on the permits and inspections, the MMS who gave the Deep Water Horizon a safety award all need to be called on the quarterdeck for this. The PotUS and Congress for not working around the Jones act to get the Dutch skimmers into the Gulf when they offered their assistance? Why are the feds hampering states efforts to contain the spill with skimmers and dredging up sand bars?
BP couldnt have dug up this amount of doo doo on their own.
McCain doing what Barry wouldnt.
Linkhttp://www.franklincenterhq.org/1788...-of-jones-act/.Quote:
Friday U.S. Senator John McCain, R-AZ, introduced legislation for a total repeal of the 1920 maritime law, which mandates that all goods shipped between U.S. ports be transported in U.S.-built, U.S.-owned and U.S.-manned ships.
Hawaii Congress member Charles Djou, R, D-HI, in a letter June 23, joined GOP congress members from Florida and Texas in asking President Barack Obama for a Jones Act exemption in the Gulf of Mexico. Djou says the law is deterring foreign countries from bringing in highly trained workers and the latest technology to lend their expertise.
Im torn on this one....
The Jones Act gave Barry an excuse to let this disaster get as bad as it has, never let a good crisis go to waste. I agree with Djou, exemptions should be made, but not a full blown repeal. But if the only way to get it done is a full blown repeal, lets have it.
Hi all:
These pictures were taken by a friend, on his Turtle Walk this morning at the State Park beach. Trying to keep you all informed of the mess. Another friend has pictures of the beach in Pensacola with oil buried 6 inches before the surface. So very sad and depressing.
Not a pleasant morning for our Turtle Walk along the beach at Gulf State Park in Gulf Shores, AL.
Saw no turtle tracks nor turtles. Found much oil and a dead sea bird instead.
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Originally Posted by kokopup
Oh wow, those pictures are worst than any I've seen on TV.:(:( They can
clean all they want, but it will never be the same beautiful place it was.
I have been awaiting the Super Duper Giant Skimmer from Tawian.
I thought that it was as big as a whale.
No stupid, the name of the ship is A Whale.
I have to start reading my news. :rolleyes:;)
I wish the stormy seas would calm down. I really hope this thing works (WHALE)
as well as they say it could. It would be a big help in cleaning the water.
This is birthing season for Dolphins, Sea Turtles, and many species of Water
Birds.:(
Mean while, it keeps on gushing......:(:(
http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/l...stream3&hpt=T2
They've been taking some of the turtle eggs to NASA to see if they can save them. Not sure what they can do but sure hope they can do something. :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
What is this day 78 now? Fix the darn thing already!!! :(
lizbud
For the Whale to work it has to have oil floating on the water. They have usedQuote:
I wish the stormy seas would calm down. I really hope this thing works (WHALE)
as well as they say it could. It would be a big help in cleaning the water.
so much dispersant on the spill it will be hard for the skimmer to do an effective job. The dispersant just makes the cleanup that much harder. The only thing it accomplishes is to hide the evidence from clear view.
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Originally Posted by kokopup
That's true. They are supposed to position the WHALE closer to the spill
itself, and siphon it directly into the ship.That should help some. I hope.
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Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
Yeah, I read about that. They say they don't know if it will work because
the hatchings will instinctly want to go back to their nesting area & the water there is deadly for them.What a mess we humans have made.:(
All of the Gulf coast states are effected now. Once the Gulf stream picks up on the oil it will impact most every coastal state on the east coast, plus Nova Scotia ,Canada, then we can expect it to effect Norway and the British isles by this time next year. The recirculating currents from West Africa will bring it back again with one of the tropical waves next fall. This spill will change the world as we knew it. BP does not have enough money to withstand the economic fallout that this spill will bring.
They got the oil stopped. :) It's only temporary
and they need to monitor the pressure readings for days yet, but it feels
like some progress has finally been made.:)
Now what?
I sure pray that this stops it until the can seal it completly. If it only holds!!! :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
Now we sit and wait with a heart full of hope and PRAY HARD that the pressure stays where it should and this works until they can kill that thing permanently! Every day it was gushing, my heart sank lower and lower. I have done more praying since this thing started than I have ever done in all my life. My heart broke when I saw the beautiful beaches with oil on them, can't tell you how many times I have cried over this whole thing.Quote:
Now what?
This could happen again anytime, anyplace, by any oil company and I just hope they have learned enough from this/or will learn from this and all the mistakes made so they can take action sooner to protect the shores, wild life and our earth.
I have said this almost since day 1. I have always said this will go global and while BP has always said they would take care of it financially and continue to run ads here on TV saying they will make it right for those who have lost their livelihoods, they are making it more and more difficult for people to file claims and are paying fewer of them and in lesser amounts $$ wise..Quote:
kokopup wrote-All of the Gulf coast states are effected now. Once the Gulf stream picks up on the oil it will impact most every coastal state on the east coast, plus Nova Scotia ,Canada, then we can expect it to effect Norway and the British isles by this time next year. The recirculating currents from West Africa will bring it back again with one of the tropical waves next fall. This spill will change the world as we knew it. BP does not have enough money to withstand the economic fallout that this spill will bring.
Those people down there make their living for the whole year in the few months they were able to work, there isn't any way they can give those people enough money to live as they did for the whole year. Many of them are going to end up loosing everything. Business everywhere are being effected since seafood is what their business depended on.
And that is just the gulf coast. These people are on TV crying saying they have NEVER had to get food stamps in their whole lives, now they have to get food stamps to eat. (that tells you how well BP is taking care of them! :rolleyes:) Once it is global the cost will just keep adding up.
Never forget that crude oil is abrasive and it has eaten away at that pipe all this time.. what that explosion did to the pipe, nobody knows... there are still so many things that can go haywire with this but this temporary stopping has given us hope... So lets not break open the Champagne yet.
There was a report I think of the weather channel last night that even if the leak is stopped, it will take probably years to clean up. Instead of skimming the oil off then putting the dispersents on it, they did it the other way around. The dispersents caused millions of gallons of oil to sink to the bottom of the gulf where it can't be skimmed.
Mercy what a mess this entire thing is. Prayers for all who have lost their way of life and for all the creatures. :love:
What they aren't saying is that the pressure is not going high enough. The pressure from that well was around 70,000 psi and they are seeing less than 7000 psi. That means the oil is going somewhere else and it is only a matter of time before it breaks out somewhere else. I pray that I am wrong about it showing up again but that pressure is being vented somewhere.
From the NY Times -
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Officials Call Results of Well Test Encouraging
By HENRY FOUNTAIN
A day after BP closed off the flow of oil from its runaway well in the Gulf of Mexico, officials said the signs from a crucial test of the well’s condition were encouraging.
Pressure readings in the well rose significantly in the 24 hours after the valves were closed on a cap at the top of the well, an indication that the well was in good shape. But officials voiced caution, saying that they had expected that the pressure might rise even higher, and that the possibility of damage from the April 20 blowout could not yet be ruled out.
Another possibility, they said, is that the reservoir has been depleted by three months of gushing oil.
“This is generally good news,” Thad W. Allen, the retired Coast Guard admiral who is overseeing the spill response, said Friday afternoon, about 24 hours into what was expected to be at least a 48-hour test. “But we want to be careful not to do any harm or create a situation that could not be reversed.”
He said that so far the test results were ambiguous, and that the possibility remained that the well had been breached and that oil and gas were escaping into the surrounding rock and perhaps even into the gulf. But there were no visible signs of a leak.
The test, which ended — at least temporarily — what had been a three-month gusher, is intended to determine whether the well can withstand pressure from the sealing cap.
The procedure will continue in six-hour increments, Admiral Allen said, and new data will be reviewed by scientists and engineers from the government, BP and other companies. He said there would be “enhanced monitoring” of the seabed, including acoustic tests that could detect small amounts of methane bubbling into the water, which would be evidence of damage to the well.
At the White House earlier Friday, President Obama cautioned against concluding that the corner had been turned in the oil disaster, which began with the explosion and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon drill rig. He said it was still possible for there to be complications that “could be even more catastrophic” than the original leak.
Appearing in the Rose Garden before taking off for a short Maine vacation, Mr. Obama said all decisions about the fate of the well would be based on science, “not based on P.R., not based on politics.”
Kent Wells, a senior vice president of BP, said the company was watching the seafloor with cameras on robotic submersibles and using sonar and other equipment to look for leaks. So far, he said, “there is no evidence that the well doesn’t have integrity.”
When the test began, Admiral Allen said, pressures increased in a way that would be expected if the well was undamaged. But the level reached was lower than scientists had predicted if the well was intact. And pressures are now rising very slowly.
A breach could be one reason for the lower pressure readings, he said. But a more benign explanation would be that so much oil had spewed from the out-of-control well that the reservoir, 13,000 feet below the seabed, had been depleted.
“The pressure buildup we’re seeing is with modeling we did around reservoir depletion,” Mr. Wells said. “The longer we model these trends, the more we’ll convince ourselves that that’s the case.”
At some point — perhaps after 48 hours, as originally planned — a decision will be made about what to do with the well over the near term, until a relief well is finished that will permanently plug it. He said leaving the valves closed beyond the test remained a possibility.
But, Mr. Wells said, if the monitoring detects oil or gas coming up through the sea floor, engineers could reopen the well immediately.
“At least initially that would involve some venting of oil into the gulf,” he said. “We’re hopeful that’s not going to be the case.”
Oh dear, this doesn't sound promising -
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Retired Coast Guard Adm. Thad W. Allen released a letter Sunday night that he had written to BP, noting a "detected seep a distance from the well and undetermined anomalies at the well head."
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Originally Posted by Grace
Yes & reports late today say the oil & gas are still "seeping". They will
watch for a spike in pressure before removing the cap.:eek:
There was a great explanation of "seeping" by Chad Myers on CNN this afternoon. This seeping goes on all the time. He said some really large amount of oil seeps into the Gulf every year. There are tar balls out there - even when nothing is going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
The problem now - this current seeping they have found - is it normal seeping or is it due to the well being capped?
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CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: We've been talking here in the office all day long about this 40 million gallon normal leakage into the Gulf of Mexico. Is this true? Really, do 40 million gallons of oil naturally leak into the Gulf of Mexico every year without wells even being there, just in cracks in the surface, or is this just something that someone made up? Tell me the truth.
VAN NIEUWENHUISE (Don Van Nieuwenhuise, who is a professor of petroleum geoscience at the University of Houston.): Actually, I don't know what the actual number is, but that sounds about right. All over the Gulf of Mexico, you have formations that actually leak to the surface. And when we look for oil and gas, we're looking for situations. We call them trapping situations, where the oil that's being formed in the earth does not follow up faults or actually break through capping rocks itself and -- and leak to the surface.
A lot of oil that's formed naturally by the earth ends up escaping or leaking to the surface in the form of natural seeps. And yes, there are a lot of these all around the world.