Ugh... WTF????

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Originally posted by Kfamr

Most people who are against it don't even have a fight or an argument against it. They say it's wrong, they say it's against 'God'. Well, not everyone believes in that.

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Exactly. Not everyone believes in god. So why should they have others beliefs shoved down their throat, and not be able to do something because others see differently?

Dans mother is a lesbian. Although I don't agree with it who am I to judge? No one. It's not my place to do so. If there truly is a God and what they are doing is wrong, leave it up to God to decide what to do in the end.

whoa,

The ten commandments only apply to the people who
believe in them.

So how can you apply those rule to everyone else?

You said it's o.k. to think you are gay-but isn't that the same as 'impure thoughts'?

Just checking..

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2K,
F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's
widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe, and be otherwise punished in a
manner to be determined by law. (Gen. 38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10)

Shouldn't the punishment be for a woman to give away her shoes???;)

Well said Cass!

RICHARD, first off, when did I say they apply to everyone? I personally think they do, but I know you don't.

Impure thoughts-Thinking sexually about something, having sex with them, lusting for them, etc.

If you think/know you're gay, that's fine in itself. But when you start lusting for other men/women (don't worry. This same law applys to straight men/women.) it becomes sinful.

Since you bring this up, I am just stating what the Bible says.

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Originally posted by kevinrats
RICHARD, first off, when did I say they apply to everyone? I personally think they do, but I know you don't.

Impure thoughts-Thinking sexually about something, having sex with them, lusting for them, etc.

If you think/know you're gay, that's fine in itself. But when you start lusting for other men/women (don't worry. This same law applys to straight men/women.) it becomes sinful.

Since you bring this up, I am just stating what the Bible says.

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You may, but not everyone feels the same way you do. Not everyone should have to comform to YOUR beliefs.

I lust all the time. For those new pair of Adidas shoes, Tom from Blink 182! :D I am sure you lust too. How many times have you complained to your mom for that new Sony Playstation game because you are lusting for it? If she finally gives in and you play the game, are you going to hell?

Ok...lets see how many people I can offend with this statement...not that I am intentionally trying to offend people..this is just my belief.

You know that parlor game where you whisper someting in someone's ear..and then they whisper it in the next persons and so on and so forth?? By the end of the circle the story only barely resembles what the first person whispered????

Well....you know how many times the Bible has been translated from version to version and in how many different languages...and how many times languages are extremely difficult to translate from one to the other???? Is anyone seeing where I am going here???:rolleyes:

I mean....really....how different is the Bible today compared to what was written how many thousands of years ago? And that isn't even taken into consideration that it was the interpretation of several men to start with!!! It may never have been fully correct with what God wanted in the first place. And that is also if you actually believe that GOD with all that he/she/it has to do in creating and running this world and who knows how many others felt like he/she/it had the time to whisper these thoughts of his to someone in the first place.

So can we totally leave the Bible out of the discussion and just use our own common sense on issues such as these? That would bring us back to "What does it hurt anyone if two people of the same sex choose to make a legal committment to one another? Doesn't affect me at all.

By the way....just for levity sake...I love the show Joan of Arcadia

Denyce

I'm lusting a for a new digital camera, i'm a sinner now!


I don't understand how someone's beliefs (or the ten commandments) should apply to everyone. Explain that for me, please, Kevin.

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Originally posted by kevinrats
RICHARD, first off, when did I say they apply to everyone? I personally think they do, but I know you don't.

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Now that you do admit to saying that you believe that they apply to everyone........


You are correct, I do not apply them in my life because I am probably going to hang with the demons after it's all over for me on this planet....

And yes, "I have commited adultery in my heart..."

So why the interest in what adults, with an affinity toward each other, have such a profound impact on the way that you live your life???

go for a bike ride in your neighborhood and see how what goes on inside of those homes impacts your life.

I don't think Jesus would want to bother you with the details.

;)

Kayann, I am sorry, but you will not be allowed to marry your digital camera under the new consititutional amendment. However, Luckies4me, it is perfectly acceptable for you to marry the Tom from Blink 182.

LOL! :p

I'll tell you what I'm lusting for, a red Volkswagon, or black, 5 speed new model! Doesn't have to be brand new. Oh I am lusting for that little car so bad.

I believe in the bible, but I am not living right as they say. And who am I to judge anybody? That is for God to do! Thats is in the bible. Couldn't tell you where, but I don't want to judge. God is the Judge. It is like 2kitties said, there are much worse things going on in this world, like child abuse, sexual abuse to children. Those are the people I spit at! Murder, when you take somebody's life then you have took their chance away to be able to atone for their sins.

We all sin. I am not perfect, I am smart enough to know that I am way, way, far from perfect.

I am not going to judge anybody for what they believe, or their way of life.

Of course I lust! Everyone does, and if someone says they aren't, their obviously lying. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY is perfect. We are all so imperfect it's scary.
Like I stated above, lusting is more used in the Bible for sexual things.

When do I say that this applys to everyone? Please show me when I did! I said I believe that they do, but you don't.

About the "telephone game" theory. Jewish copyists of Hebrew scriptures had incredibly strict rules and regulations to follow when copying the Bible onto a new sheet/book.

They had the have each copy written in 30 letters width, with a certain number of lines to each column.

Each copy had to be written in a certain quality and color of ink.

Each copy had to be made from the original.

Not even the tiniest letter could be written from memory. Say they were writing the word "to." They had to look at the "t" and write it, then look back at the "o" and write it.

No letter could connect with or overlap another letter. The distance between each letter was measured by a single hair or thread.

Every letter of every page and book was counted and compared against the original. The number of times each letter of the alphabet occured in a book was counted and compared against the original. The middle letter of the first five books (called the Pentateuch) and middle letter of the entire Bible was computed and indicated in the text. If even ONE of these calculations were off, the copy was thrown away.

If just one of these things were wrong or off, the copy was thrown away. This has been proven in secular History as well.

And for judging, I totally agree that only God should judge! It says in the Bible that no one should judge, only God. It is not my place at all.

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Originally posted by kevinrats


When do I say that this applys to everyone? Please show me when I did! I said I believe that they do, but you don't.

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Originally posted by kevinrats
RICHARD, first off, when did I say they apply to everyone? I personally think they do, but I know you don't.

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I know you are, but what am I???

In the bible it says that Jesus loves everyone and
yadda yadda yadda.......But then it comes across saying that people are sinners for ___________.

Isn't catholocism based on forgiving, love and accepting people no matter what or who they are?

That's where the messages get crossed......It does not make sense to preach all this goodness and forgiveness-then turn around and cast stones at the sinners......If that's the case why not just toss the stones up into the air and ask Jesus not to crack your skull becuase you are not a sinner.... Wouldn't that be a test of faith???

Federov shoots, Jesus Saves!!!!

2kitties, have I ever told you that I loved you? ;) :D

*giggles*