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Sirrahved,
I completely agree with you. Maybe I should not have even read this thread since I just lost my baby so I might not be thinking rationally ...but it is how I feel.
Because conception may have already happened, the embryo just hasn't embedded itself in the uterus. It is terminating a baby and a pregnancy not "preventing" one.
A fertilized egg is not a baby.
well i can see both points , but i think it's like an irresonsible thing.....you know? like you use it if you forgot to use a condom of take BC....
That's a matter of opinion...Quote:
Originally posted by Soledad
A fertilized egg is not a baby.
No, it's a scientific fact.
Is a fertilized chicken egg a chick?
I'm gonna have to agree with Soledad on this one. A fertalized egg is still just a cell. Cells don't have heartbeats, brains, or feelings. The fertalized egg cell may only be in the process of dividing into multiple cells at the time the Morning After pill takes affect.
Until there is any brain activity there is no baby. If a person has waited THAT long they can deal with it.
However: Everyone makes mistakes. Some mistakes are bigger than others. Nobody should be made to suffer for the rest of their life because they made a mistake one night. No child should be born into a situation where it is unwanted and resented. Ever.
Finding someone with the money to abuse the plan B pill will be rare. Also, I think it will drive many women to be more responsible after they take it and suffer the side effects.
There are too many people in the world already, and many live in poverty. Why make more people?
i think of the morining after pill as a form of abortion.. IMHO i feel that abortion is not a forum of birth control..
True. A cell that has been fertilized for a matter of hours or days is a cell, or a few cells ... it is not a human being. I understand that many people have a huge moral issue with abortion, and that is their right. However, it is not their right to confuse the facts ... a fertilized cell is just that - a cell. Just as there is a big difference in an omelette and fried chicken ... right?Quote:
Is a fertilized chicken egg a chick?
And something to note: The "morning after pill" is taken the morning after unprotected sex. Where conception may or may not have occurred. Just because a woman takes this pill, does not mean she was pregnant, not by a long shot. So, even if you think of the pill as a form of "abortion", keep in mind that in the vast majority of cases, the woman taking it is not even pregnant.
Amen Twisterdog!
Is a fertilized chicken egg a chick?
I understand the point you are trying to make here...but comparing a "possible" human life to a chicken is completely crazy in my opinion.
Until there is any brain activity there is no baby.
So, am I to gather here that a person who does not have brain activity due to an accident, or whatever reason, is not a person and does not deserve human rights?
I am by no means a doctor...but I saw my baby's heart beat at six weeks (I know, long after the morning after pill would have taken place), but just because she didn't have "brain function" did not make her any less of a baby.
A fetus is just a fetus until there is brain activity IMO.
What is wrong with comparing one life to another? A possible human life is almost exactly the same as a possible chicken. In fact, they look almost identical.
Well, actually, if you will read our analogies again, no one compared chickens to humans at all. Soledad compared an egg to a chicken. I, being hungrier or perhaps crasser, compared an omelette to fried chicken. We were comparing different stages of development of a chicken to each other .... no where did we compare humans to chickens. Small point, I know ... but I think it's important to understand the intended analogy.Quote:
comparing a "possible" human life to a chicken is completely crazy in my opinion.
Think about in vitro fertilization. A lab worker somewhere takes and egg and some sperm, mixes it all up in a petri dish, and looks at it under the mircroscope. If the sperm has pierced the egg, the lab worker watches it for a while, makes sure it's going to start to divide, then calls the doctor and tells him it can be implanted. Is it a baby? Or is it a cell that has divided once or twice? What if the lab worker slips on the wet floor and drops the dish? Is it murder? NO. A cell is not a baby. Also, if people are paying the huge sum of money required for in vitro fertilization, they are going to make the best of the odds, and try it with many eggs and a lot of sperm. What if, perchance, four eggs are fertilized at once? What happens to the others if only one or two are implanted? Are they "murdered"? NO. They are cells, not babies.
Again, no one said that. No one mentioned fully developed human beings, who were injured in an accident. I believe Wolfchan was speaking of the development of the fetus, from cell to embryo to fetus. No one said anything about adult humans. There is a world of difference in the two, as anyone knows. I find statements like that simply be inflammatory.Quote:
So, am I to gather here that a person who does not have brain activity due to an accident, or whatever reason, is not a person and does not deserve human rights?
Exactly. Bingo. You hit the nail on the head. Six weeks compared to twelve hours. HUGE difference. One cell compared to a embryo with a beating heart. There is no comparison. And, again ... I would venture to say that they vast majority of women taking the morning after pill are not even pregnant to begin with.Quote:
I saw my baby's heart beat at six weeks (I know, long after the morning after pill would have taken place)
There are lots of reasons someone might need to take this pill. If you are taking birth control pills and throw up, if you are raped, if the condom breaks, and sure - if you are just lazy or drunk or a poor planner. Should it be that way? No. Is it? Yes. The world is not perfect, people are not perfect, things happen.
This pill is what it is and nothing more or less. It is NOT automatic abortion of a fetus. Most of us are smart enough to figure that out. But, at any rate, the facts should not be misconstrued and tainted with emotion. If you are opposed to abortion, that's your right. But the morning after pill is not abortion.
I actually agree with you on most points, Twisterdog, but I have to object to your comparison of an omelette to fried chicken, as opposed to Soledad's egg to a chicken.Quote:
Originally posted by Twisterdog
Well, actually, if you will read our analogies again, no one compared chickens to humans at all. Soledad compared an egg to a chicken. I, being hungrier or perhaps crasser, compared an omelette to fried chicken. We were comparing different stages of development of a chicken to each other .... no where did we compare humans to chickens. Small point, I know ... but I think it's important to understand the intended analogy.
If an egg is allowed to develop naturally, without human intervention, it will usually become a chick. A chicken, on the other hand, is unlikely to become an omelette or fried chicken without human intervention, so I don't agree that these are different stages of a chicken's development. They are what can happen to a chicken, just as a fetuscan be aborted, which is also human intervention, and not a normal development.
Anyway, just MHO. :) For the most part I couldn't agree more with what you're saying, Twisterdog.
"I have to object to your comparison of an omelette to fried chicken, as opposed to Soledad's egg to a chicken."
I could be wrong but I think the comparisson of the omelette and fried chicken was supposed to be that you aren't killing a chicken by making an omelette, but you are killing a chicken to fry it. Just like you aren't killing a baby by taking the morning after pill because at that point it is still an egg cell, not a baby.
egg cell + morning after pill = omelette (no harm done)
fetus/embryo + abortion = fried chicken (harm done)
Sorry if this equation appears to be callus, that wasn't the intention, just trying to make sense of the chicken/egg confusion.