Oh jeez - I just read the second link. It actually sounds somewhat plausible to me. The truth is stranger than fiction. But why on earth would they euthanize the puppy? For crying out loud.
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Oh jeez - I just read the second link. It actually sounds somewhat plausible to me. The truth is stranger than fiction. But why on earth would they euthanize the puppy? For crying out loud.
I never even thought of that, and I have to agree with you. There are lots of arteries in a hand. This is a child, a weak little child. He would be out for sure. The only way one wouldn't bleed or atleast not very much would be if he/she was in shock, which apparently wasn't the case here.Quote:
But 4 fingers? And the kid just got up and walked around the next morning? Come on!!! The puppy would have chewed through arteries. The kid would have lost a LOT of blood. Don't you think the kid would have at least lost consciousness from blood loss? The entire bed would have been covered with blood - you'd think that he would have gotten cold from the wet bed long before morning, assuming he was conscious.
As for the anesthesia thing, when my mom had a cesarean section with me, I'm not sure what they did to her, but she could feel the entire thing. The was awake, and her body was numb, but she could still feel when they cut her open and stitched her back up. However, that was 16 years ago and so the methods have probably changed. 5 years ago when she had another C-section with my brother, she couldn't feel a thing and they stapled her up. She was sad that she didn't get to feel it, lol, she said it felt cool.
Anyways that got off topic.
Logan,
Hi. You said you had mixed feelings about this, but didn't
elaborate. If you've had time to think about it, I'd really like
to know your opinion. Thanks. Liz.
Although I haven't read the news link, just the story, and only just now finished reading all of the comments, it does seem to me that the story could be true. Several people here have had the same thoughts that I initially did. A couple of fingers that taste good and don't move could lead a dog to believe it was food. I never met a puppy who wouldn't chew on a finger at some time in his/her puppyhood if allowed. Of course we feel the pain and pull away.
I see lots of bad things all coming together here which caused this. First of all the age of the puppy is incredible. As others have said, why was it ever adopted at such a young age. It should have remained with its mother for at least another 3 -4 weeks minimum! Secondly, the irresponsibility of the parents for reasons that others have stated. Thirdly, I do also assign some blame to the dog. I know many people get upset when they read that pit bulls and some other breeds are getting bad raps in these types of instances. Well we have discussed over and over again here at Pet Talk *RESPONSIBLE BREEDING!* This is breeding done by a professional who is always trying to improve the breed by breeding in the positive traits and and breeding out the things that are not desirable. Since pit bulls and others are so popular among those who use them for fighting, etc. it is not surprising to me that they would be the same people breeding these dogs, however with the intent of breeding the undesirable things (aggressive temperament, etc.) for their own sick ends. I don't doubt for a minute that there are sweet pit bulls available but I think that irresponsible breeding on the part of a lot of sickos has resulted in dogs that are totally inappropriate as pets. I'm not saying this dog was, but I can see it happening. Also, I am not singling out pits as the only dogs irresponsibly bred, but I think the intent there is to make as mean a dog as possible in a lot of instances. JMHO!
Pam,
Do you think the breed & breeding of this particular dog made
a difference in the outcome ? In other words, was this dog
typical of other puppies his own age? (in these circumstances)
Liz, no I have no idea what caused this dog to do what it did. I feel that the smell of the food on the child's fingers is probably what started to put this whole scene into action. I was simply addressing something that someone had said regarding the fact that this story will just add fuel to the fire regarding pits getting a bad rap. My comments about breeding were to explain why I think pits (and others) are getting a bad rap these days. We often hear people say that "it's bad owners, not bad dogs" and that is very true. In the case of these dogs in particular I think there is a lot of poor breeding going on for the purposes I mentioned and we have a situation now where they have gotten such a bad rap from this that they are the breed we most often see in shelters because of the fear factor in adopting one from just these types of stories.
Pam,
I do see what you mean & I agree. A whole lot of different
things happened & with a sad result for the child & the pup.
I do know that a 5-6 week old pup should not be left alone
overnight with any child, in bed or not. There are some people
who consider a puppy a" toy" & just hand it over to any child to
handle just like any another" toy". The adults in this picture did
not act responsibly toward the dog or the children involved. I
believe another child brought the puppy into the bed to sleep
overnight with them.(from the account that I read).
Isn't the whole concept of crate training rather new? I never did it with any of my dogs, and they were all well-behaved animals.
I've crated for 13 years and know people who crated for about 20 years now.Quote:
Originally posted by Soledad
Isn't the whole concept of crate training rather new? I never did it with any of my dogs, and they were all well-behaved animals.
Well, I got my first dog when I was seven. That was twenty two years ago. I don't think this was mainstream until I well after I had my pups. Somehow, someway, people managed to train their pets before all of this.
I agree, I don't recall ever hearing about crate training with much force until fairly recently. And I do think it is perfectly possible to train a dog well without a crate. Every dog? No. But most dogs? Certainly. Crates are a useful tool, but not the end-all, be-all solution to every canine problem. And dog owners who don't have to crate their dogs and choose not to are not evil and negligent.Quote:
Well, I got my first dog when I was seven. That was twenty two years ago. I don't think this was mainstream until I well after I had my pups. Somehow, someway, people managed to train their pets before all of this.
I agree with this. My brother cut the very tip of one of fingers off with a saw once, and the amount of blood was simply horrifying. HUGE amounts of blood, and that was the tip of one finger. What this story is claiming makes no sense.Quote:
But 4 fingers? And the kid just got up and walked around the next morning? Come on!!! The puppy would have chewed through arteries. The kid would have lost a LOT of blood. Don't you think the kid would have at least lost consciousness from blood loss? The entire bed would have been covered with blood - you'd think that he would have gotten cold from the wet bed long before morning, assuming he was conscious.
I don't believe this story is the truth. But, giving some benefit of the doubt here, assuming it happened sort of like it was told, here's my opinion:
My opinion on the puppy: There's nothing evil about this puppy. It's a teething puppy. Maybe a hungry puppy, we don't know. If you gave a puppy a raw beef bone with some meat attached, wouldn't you think it would be perfectly normal for the puppy to chew and eat it? Of course. So, not to be gross, but to a puppy, don't you think paralyzed fingers are just the same as a beef bone with meat on it? Sure. No one is telling the puppy "No!", no one is saying, "Ouch!" and pulling their hand away. Of course the puppy isn't going to stop, why would it? It's a baby, it doesn't know any better, it hasn't been trained or taught. Maybe the child ate, say, chicken for dinner and had chicken on his hands. (Although if the child's hand is paralyzed, how is he eating dinner with that hand? Hmmm .... but I digress.) And maybe they gave the puppy some chicken too. So the fingers now smell and taste just like the chicken the puppy was given to eat. Puppy doesn't know, it's just a puppy.
My opinion on the parent: I don't think letting a new puppy sleep with a partially paralyzed six year old is the greatest idea. But it's not the worst idea either. Honestly, would 99% of parents think, "Better not do that, what if the puppy eats his hand?" It's just too bizarre; the normal, rational person wouldn't think of it. I don't think the parents were negligent. Maybe not the best choice, but not negligent.
Very well said, Twister.
I too wonder about blood loss, etc. This story seems a bit 'fishy.'
Excuse my ignorance, but i have never heard of crate training a dog, except when I came to PT, please what is it? I don't think New Zealanders do this!
(Although if the child's hand is paralyzed, how is he eating dinner with that hand? Hmmm
Twisterdog - excellent observation! I never even gave that a thought. Have you ever considered a career in law enforcement or detective work! ;) :cool: Now I am having my doubts too. Hmmm...
I first used crates for training in 1984 - YIKES almost 20 years ago! It was at the suggestion of the breeder whom I bought my dog from that year. Initially I thought the concept was cruel but gave it a try at her suggestion. It did help in quicker housetraining and each dog that I have gotten since then has been crate trained. Of course once they proved themselves 'trustworthy' to have the run of the house it was put away. I would never want to see a dog in a crate for hours on end though. Fortunately I only worked part-time while using the crate.
I don't believe it for all the valid points above. The truth will come out. Pam, tell little Ripley my Badger says "HEY BUDDY!" Hope to see you again in Doylestown next year. Three 1/2 weeks old, that pup could not survive without feedings every few hours, ask Aly.