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:rolleyes: Shes quiting for attentionQuote:
Originally Posted by buttercup132
Now come on you don't honestly know that. I know we're all upset at the fact she wants another puppy when she has a dog chained outside who doesn't get the attention it deserves, but honestly these things really aren't her fault, she's only 13 and she doesn't really know full responsibility yet. It's her mom I'm angry at. Her mom, putting this responsibility on her 13 year old daughter!Quote:
Originally Posted by CagneyDog
I'm sure she didn't mean to start this huge conversation and get everyone angry, and she's probably embarassed. But I'm sure she's not quitting just for attention.
No I'm not...I'm quitting because you people cant accept the fact that Roxy is happy and well taken care for for an outside dog...She has it alot better than other dogs :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by CagneyDog
Well then why would she post that she was leaving?
She may be 13 but she should know that you can't treat animals like that.
SHE didn't, buttercup did ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CagneyDog
First of all she only posted to get name suggestions not opinions on whether to get another puppy or not, however that is what has become of the thread and so therefore I will give mine.
No-one can say when is the right time to get another puppy after loosing one, I agree with Kari 100 per cent on that issue,(although I might add two days hardly seems long enough to even grieve over your loss,) and that is not really what this thread is all about anymore.
Secondly it should be your mother online here not you, facing the music as the saying goes, because you are only 13 and your mother should be the one being responsible in this situation, and IMO she is not.
I also have a 13 year old daughter who is pretty responsible for her age, but I would not just get her another puppy because she wants one and is having one and that is that.
From the picture you have painted, your mother is not financially secure enough to adopt another Dog, they cost a lot of money to keep, and she should be considering that, not just your wishes alone.
You really do need to focus on the pet you already have, you do not appear to have the time or money to spend on another puppy, can you not see that?
Of course you should not get rid of Roxy because some PT members suggest so, but it would do you no harm to really listen up and maybe take the time to spend with her and think about it all before rushing off and making a decision on a new pup that you might later regret, when it gets sick and you don't have the money to get the required vet care, not to mention all the other things like vaccinations etc.
I think your attitude I am getting the puppy and that is that has riled people up, because you really ARE NOT listening to the pros and cons and to those who do know better,please do listen to people they really do know what they are talking about, you will be doing an injustice to the next pet you adopt if you have neither the time and money to spend on it.
The issue regarding Roxy being outside, well I do not know if it snows where you are, but if so, I think she should at least be kept in the laundry or somewhere warmer, we have plenty outdoor dogs in NZ, it is common practice for larger dogs and no-one considers it cruel, as long as they have shelter and food and warmth, all farm dogs are never kept inside.,but if she is chained all day, you must make every effort to give her exercise, and she does need more than one hours attention per day,honestly if you cannot improve on her care she would be better off somewhere else.
Briana,Quote:
Originally Posted by Roxyluvsme13
you know I like you and I am just trying to be a friend here, I hope you know that. anyways, I don't like the fact that Roxy lives outside. but can't you please walk her now and play with her? She needs you. I know you said you can't change the fact that she lives outside BUT if you make an effort to take care of her and show your mom how much you love her and please don't say you've tried this. I want what's best for Roxy and we all do. I know that you love her and I am sure nobody means to hurt your feelings they are just concerned about Roxy. AND I really think it's too soon for you to get another puppy and I do agree that your mom has to have money this time or has a plan to pay for another puppy IF it is to get sick. I am not trying to be mean, Briana. I really am not. I hope you don't think that. :)
Thanks, Kay. I am getting a little sick of defending myself everytime someone else posts about their outdoor dog!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kfamr
My dogs are not kept outside 24-7. They ALL have access to the house. They may have to take shifts or stay in certain areas to avoid bloodshed, but they are all allowed in. The older dogs spend most of the day inside. I'm pretty sure I could train Paxil and Preacher to use a litter box, but I'm not going there! ;)
None of my dogs are kept on chains. They have over four fenced acres to run and play in. They all have insulated dog houses filled with straw. Constant access to water...I use troughs designed for horses with a heating element in them to prevent the water from freezing.
I spend much more than an hour a day with them. Just feeding and filling the water troughs can take longer than that! I've spent more than hour with them before I leave for work in the morning! They have tons of toys, bones, balls ect to play with.
They also get all the vet care they need on a regular basis, plus any emergency care they may require. I am quite sure that my bills financed my vet's new clinic!
I did a big post about this a couple weeks ago, not doing anymore. My dogs are much loved and well-cared for.
If Briana is an "attention hog," she most certainly isn't the only one. This thread has turned ugly, and, is no longer about educating or advising. It's simply arguing and ugliness, and, I think anna's suggestion is the best one that has been given here of late. I try hard to not read threads like this, but, I think human nature draws me into reading it, kinda like rubbernecking at an accident on the highway, which I usually don't do, either. Call it morbid curiosity, because I know all I'll find in here is ugliness. I have been trying really hard to not say anything, but, I will say that these threads bring out the worst in people here, and, I always am saddened by some of the responses by normally polite, helpful individuals. I truly think the thread is dead and needs to be closed.
Well said!Quote:
Originally Posted by finn's mom
[QUOTE=Roxyluvsme13]Roxy is happy and well taken care for for an outside dog..[QUOTE]
"for for an outside dog"
What is that supposed to mean, do inside and outside dogs have different standards?? You give her food, water and an hour of your time, thats all that outside dogs need? Dogs should be a member of the family and treated like so, she should be well taken care of period.
And yes there are dogs out there starving and dying on the streets, Roxy is well fed and has a place to sleep but I really don't think its enough :( There are MANY MANY dogs that are in a lot better situation than she is in...
kari although I agree the thread has its ugly parts, for the most I think people are genuinely concerned for Roxy and Briana, when emotions run high sometimes it just does not come out the right way, i think keeping the thread alive is important, because I believe Briana will take in some of it and realise that what is being said on the most part is right and only out of pure concern for Roxy's welfare and the future pup, I hope I do not offend, my main goal is only to do all of the above , I certainly do not mean to judge harshly but there really are some major issues here that need addressing IMO.
I said I wouldn't post again and that I just wanted this thread to drop off the board, But i just want to say this. I have messaged Karen and asked her to lock this thread.
Please, anyone who is tired of reading this, message Karen and ask her to lock the thread.
It's all been said and said again. Good points were made and some well thought out posts were made, but now a lot of it is just getting to pettiness and repetitiveness. Believe me I understand how emotional a situation this is and how distressing for many here, but what ends up happening is those petty or nasty posts end up overshadowing the ones that MIGHT have been listened to. More than likely in this situation they would not, but there's always that "might" factor.
Really my post in General awhile back says it best as to how I feel in these situations: http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=77230
Why on earth do you want to delete the thread, to me it is like the old ostrich burying its head in the sand, of course people should refrain from being impolite, but honestly I am hoping through reading all these replies some of it will actually make sense and Briana may reconsider some things, if you close it there is no possible chance of that even happening., I guess I am just ever hopeful, but if this thread is going to continue on in a non-productive manner then I reluctanly agree it should be deleted, as it is serving no real purpose except to cause more hurt, and doing more harm than good.
I sent you a PM. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by carole
I said lock, not delete. Most people have expressed their opinions and there is no where else for the thread to go, but downhill.Quote:
Originally Posted by carole
While I understand where you are coming from, I think keeping this thread open is important. There are some here who are arguing IMO and some who are still advising her. If she is anything like me at 13 she is stubborn and does not want to have to say she is wrong. She is probably taking all of this in, and I think it will really sink in later (hopefully before she goes to look at those puppies). Somehow I think she'll have a moment with Roxy where she'll realize that Roxy could be better off, and that she needs to provide better for her. I do not think she should give Roxy away unless if she realizes that she can't provide for her. But I truly think this is going to get to her. Just my 2 cents.Quote:
Originally Posted by finn's mom
Sarah you and I are thinking along the same lines here,yes my 13 year old is stubborn too and hates to admit she is wrong, but I have often found by talking through things with her alot, she finally sees a different side of things sometimes, anyway I have addressed it all in my previous thread, sorry I thought locking it was the same as deleting, I have never heard that term before and assumed it was the same thing.
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Originally Posted by .sarah
I sent you a PM, too, Sarah. :)
Briana I just want to say if anything I have said has offended you or hurt you I am truely sorry and it was not my intention at all to do so, I really just want you to think long and hard about your decision, and the pros and cons, and I wish you well in whatever you decide, and I know your heart still hurts and is missing Tinks,and maybe you think having the new pup will help that all go away, it will help for sure, but only time will help heal your hurt.
Yeah I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by .sarah
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by carole
I wasn't going to respond anymore for fear that I have offended someone and if I did, I, too apologize.
I remember what I was like when I was 13. Once I made my mind up, that's it. There was no changing it. (Heck, who am I kidding, I'm STILL like that.) Just, try to remember that we are concerned for you, and your ENTIRE situation, Roxy included. I know as a teenager, it's hard to take the advice of other people but we've already been down the road you're traveling. We really do want what's best for you. It may not have appeared that way in this thread, but I feel in my heart that PTers are genuinly good people.
Please don't leave PT, and also don't rush to make any big decisions. We'll still be here either way.
Good luck!
Well this is coming from a 13 year old (well almost, my birthday is tommorow) I know that I can be stubborn at times and I do not want to be proven wrong. I am going to say 1 thing: You can still get a puppy but wait a little longer, maybe in spring or summer so you can be home with it all day. Maybe in that time you can do more research, work with Roxy a bit, and save a little more money. I do not intend for this to start an argument again.
THANK GOD every1 is being freinds again! i cant wait to show briana this shell be so happy she was really upset at what you guys were saying and thinking just put yourself in her shoes and i really do apologize glacier i thought i saw your dogs on chains but that must of been the guy that owns the other dogs b i think is his name :confused: but briana if yyou built a pen like glaciers i think it would be a good idea :D im so glad this argument is over with and every1 is happy again*BIG sigh of relif*
good luck
Oh, that picture. I understand the confusion now. That was Sundin, who is not yet my dog, but will be arriving on Sunday. My friend who owns him right now does keep his sled dogs on chains. That picture was taken in his yard, not mine. Most racing kennels keep their dogs in that manner. B. is a serious long distance racing musher. His dogs get lots of time off their chains and he has a full time handler who is with his dogs all day--that's her job in exchange for free rent--so they get lots of attention. My dogs aren't chained and Sundin won't be after he arrives.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttercup132
Glacier got upset the last time she was compared to her - why? B/c there IS NO COMPARISON.
sorry i got her mixed up with some1 else is that ok i made a mistake geeze...sorry
Ok...I understand everybody, and Like I said no matter what I do, my mom will never let Roxy in the house. Sad truth...:( I would like her to be inside, and I've tried everything...We are going to look at the puppies tomorrow at 5. I will post how it goes. This breeder seems 10,000 times better than the other one, but I'll just have to see...Only tomorrow will tell if we decide on getting the puppy or not.
Well, I wasn't going to post but I feel like I have to. You may be pissed but I really don't care anymore. I honestly can not believe that people are actually congratulating you on getting this new puppy. Your dog JUST died. I'm not saying you need to go into deep depression but you do have Roxy you know. I bet Roxy wants more than one hour a day with you. She deserves more than one hour. I think if you don't spend more time with her you should find a better home for her. Someone that will spend the needed time with her. I know you don't want to hear this and I know other people have said it but clearly it hasn't sunk in.
As for financial reasons--4 paychecks isn't enough. I mean your mom will have to buy food and things for your family (I'm including food for Roxy) and anything else you want, plus saving up for this puppy? I don't think so.
You are 13, what do you really know about dog breeders, and after searching for a couple days what could you have possibly learned? You should be training Roxy. You made a comment about your mom making excuses saying she smells or has fleas. Well if she has fleas deal with them! She must be suffering if she has them and you don't do anything about them. A 15 foot chain isn't enough for her if you don't walk her every single day and pay lots of attention to her.
I can't begin to understand why your mother would allow you to get another animal. It is very poor judgement on her part and also poor judgement on your own for actually getting ready to go through with this. I hope you really do consider what you are doing and are taking Roxy into consideration on this decision. She deserves rights before this new puppy. I hope that if you do end up getting this puppy that Roxy still gets attention from you, even while you are excited about a puppy.
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
You made a comment about your mom making excuses saying she smells or has fleas. Well if she has fleas deal with them!
Just because she lives outside, dosen't mean the poor thing has to live with fleas. How would you feel if you have hundreds of parasites crawling on you and biting you? Treat your yard, treat your dog. And keep treating it. AND if the dog lives in the house, there's a lot less likely chance of having fleas. Is she even on any kind of flea+tick preventative? Does she have her shots? Is she on heart worm meds? Poor thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kole03
And what about RESCUE! If you're going to go through with this, look at your local rescue! Since this is only a pet, why are you rushing to a breeder without looking at any other options? I sure wish I could magically make people see the correct side of things.
I agree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by Kole03
Well it really appears no matter what sound advice we give her, she is just going to do what she wants and that is that, I had that pointed out to me, but was giving her the benefit of the doubt in hoping that something might sink it, it obviously has not, but really I do not blame this girl, the full responsiblity with the bad decision making lies solely IMO with her mother, and as for Roxy having fleas and smelling, well Hello who's fault is that, not the Dogs, as a responsible pet owner it is You who must attend to this dog's needs, I feel sorry for Roxy if she is indeed living with fleas, it is not only a terrible irritant for her but bad for her health.
Personally I am fed up with it all, as we are all beating our heads against a brick wall, and whereas getting a new puppy is exciting and something I would normally love to share with a PTer this one is clouded with sadness IMO, enough said.
Roxy HAS been treated for fleas, and my mom still makes up that excuse... Roxy is well taken care for, and perfectly happy, and Loved alot, so theres not a single reason to be sad.
Can I ask why you won't consider rescuing a pom?
Because the nearest Pom rescue is like 3 hours away, and our shelter doesnt have any...and We wont drive 3 hours to get a dog, when we found a reputable breeder only 30m away.Quote:
Originally Posted by areias