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Well, and there may very well be a big difference between a casual pot smoker and a 'stoner'.
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Well, and there may very well be a big difference between a casual pot smoker and a 'stoner'.
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Just like the difference between a casual drinker and an alcoholic
Micki- which candidate for high office should I vote for? One of the problems with trying to legalize pot is that politicians can't get elected if they even admit they ever smoked it!
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Originally posted by Cheshirekatt
Well, and there may very well be a big difference between a casual pot smoker and a 'stoner'.
Just like the difference between a casual drinker and an alcoholic.
And personally, I DO think all these things should only be done in the privacy of ones home. :)
I for one am sick and tired of having to breathe other people's second hand cigarette smoke! It's sick and gross and I don't feel I should have to smell like smoke just because someone else is having a nic fit.
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I agree. I think one should be able to do absolutely any old thing they want to, in the privacy of their own home, and as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.
I personally don't want the government telling me what I can or can't smoke or drink. If you aren't harming someone else, go for it. That's my motto.
If Joe Blow wants to sit on his couch and drink a fifth of whiskey every day, until he dies of liver failure ... hey, that's sad, but he's an adult, it's his business. Just so he doesn't drive drunk, neglect his kids, or expect my tax dollars to fix his problems.
Same thing if he wants to shoot heroin or smoke pot or eat twelve pints of ice cream per day. His problems, his house, his money, his life. Just so he isn't hurting anyone else, what right does the government have to tell him to stop?
My roomie at school was saying she would be afraid that the cost of health care would rise. I don't see it. Any thoughts?
I think that the money saved in the court system and the money raised in taxes would offset any (if any) health care increases. I just don't think that the health care industry would see any difference.
I guess it wouldn't be any worse than the health care costs for treating cigarette smoking related illnesses.Quote:
Originally posted by mugsy
My roomie at school was saying she would be afraid that the cost of health care would rise. I don't see it. Any thoughts?
I think that the money saved in the court system and the money raised in taxes would offset any (if any) health care increases. I just don't think that the health care industry would see any difference.
I guess because I think that the smoking rate may actually decrease if it were legal, it would seem that the health care costs would go down.....just my line of thinking....but how often is THAT right? ;) :D :p
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Originally posted by lbaker
I still will smoke an occasional joint, I have since the 60's.
I wonder what people would think of someone who has smoked joints regularly for 40 years!
Someone who runs their own business illustrating awkward concepts for text books (history, maths, physics and chemistry), has worked for 8 years on a National Encyclopaedia, has a well balanced son who is a civil engineer, and looks in the dictionary if he is in doubt about his spelling. And not least is vehemently opposed to all hard drugs, legal or illegal, especially the unnecessary ones the drug companies try to foist on us in the name of personal profit.
Smoking pot is obviously dangerous and should be banned, just like smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, taking pills, laughing loudly, making sarcastic comments or thinking differently should be. (Whoops! Could that be construed as being a tiny bit sarcastic? Can’t help it I’m afraid, I’m English)
Most things are acceptable IN MODERATION. It’s exaggeration and extremism that are our enemies.
Not to mention the indiscriminate acceptance of all the narrow-minded, one-sided propaganda that we’re constantly bombarded with.
Just a thought.
john
Well for some of you smoking dope, may well be fine, but it does not affect everyone that way, I have seen it become destructive, maybe not in the way booze does, and I for one cannot understand the need or desire to take the stuff, and I am not some naive person who knows nothing about dack, my experience is that its still a mind altering drug, and I am against it.
I may sound like I am contradicting myself here, making it legal may not be such a bad thing in some ways, because of the way our gangs use it to their advantage at the moment, that would stop all of that, and that could be a positive thing.
For me personally I donot need to take booze or drugs to escape the harsh reality of life, and I can get my highs from simple pleasures in life, each to their own, and I am not coming down on the people who smoke it, it is just not for me.
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Originally posted by carole
For me personally I donot need to take booze or drugs to escape the harsh reality of life, and I can get my highs from simple pleasures in life, each to their own, and I am not coming down on the people who smoke it, it is just not for me.
Not being a pot smoker I can only go on what I have heard. Recently Oprah had a program on about people who unwittingly became addicted to prescribed pain relievers. None of these people intended to. One of her guests, who works in the area of rehabilitating people who have unfortunately ruined their lives by this addiction, brought out something that I think is the crux of the situation. When she was asked why people refer to alcoholism or drug addiction as a disease (rather than a choice), she said that there is a genetic component to their addiction. Not everyone who takes a drink will become an alcoholic, nor will every person who takes oxycodone (sp?) soon be abusing prescription drugs. It is all in genetic make-up. That to me is a sobering thought. I just wouldn't want to be a legislator making decisions on legalizing anything that might be instrumental in someone wrecking their lives. That said, I suppose I am hippocritical in that I do like an occasional glass of wine. :rolleyes:
I want you all to know that I have never and never will smoke pot, or a cigarette, or get drunk, but, if someone else wants to do it without endangering others by driving afterwards....go for it. I for one am an incredible control freak and don't like to be without all of my faculties, so have chosen not to do anything that alters my brain, but, I'm not going to sit in judgement of those who do. I will say that I would rather not see young people do it because their brains are still developing, but that's as far as I will go.
I don't see any impact whatsoever on the cost of healthcare. It would be interesting to see the percentage of medical costs directly attributable to marijuana now - I would wager it would be such a small percentage that it would be almost zero. There are, frankly, not many health side effects of smoking pot - no matter what they tell you in seventh grade health class. (Which, by the way, I'm not against ... if you can exaggarate and scare kids straight, go for it! ;) ) Few people can/do smoke enough pot to affect their lungs, unlike cigarette smokers. And, I can't imagine these health care cost rising if it were legal, because I don't personally believe very many more people would do it if it were legal then illegal.Quote:
Originally posted by mugsy
My roomie at school was saying she would be afraid that the cost of health care would rise. I don't see it. Any thoughts?
I think that the money saved in the court system and the money raised in taxes would offset any (if any) health care increases. I just don't think that the health care industry would see any difference.
I don't know if this statement is 100 per cent correct, but I have read that although dope smokers perhaps smoke less, it has a worse impact on their lungs, than tobacco,just quoting what I read, so if that is correct I think we have enough health problems that are taking their toll on our health systems, with obesity,cigerette smoking, alcohol etc, why add one more.
So everyone who thinks its ok, are you telling me the research done is all nonsense, it does not kill the brain cells, or anything else,that all the claims are false, hmm I wonder.......I guess we believe what we want to believe.
Just because you are in control of your faculties now, does not mean that as you continue to use dope, that you will always be, the person I know who smokes it daily, is an intelligent human being for sure, but he continues not to work, when he is high, he is not the real him, and he does have other problems, memory etc, so although he could come across fine, there are still hidden problems,one positive thing, he has two wonderful children, one a lawyer, one who has a computer degree, who donot touch drugs as far as I know, but then they were raised by their mother, and I feel sorry for both of them, having a dad like him.
You may consider him a miniority, but I Think if you researched it more, he may not be.
For me its a case of been there done that, not interested, my opinion is that alot of people who choose to do this, just use it as an out from stress and everyday life pressures, it takes them away from the reality of it all, to another place, I suppose if it works for you fine, but I Have seen the less positive side of it all .
I've seen both sides, but, the people on the bad side are basically smoking it for the thrill of it because it's illegal.
Just out of curiosity, do dope smokers in other parts of the world mix their dope with tobacco? That's what most people do here, so they're still inhaling tobacco in their bong or joints - the tobacco is probably worse than cigarettes because there's no filter before the smoke hits their lungs.
And that's why smoking a joint is more harmful as well, because there's no filter in a joint where there is in a cigarette.Quote:
Originally posted by Miss Meow
Just out of curiosity, do dope smokers in other parts of the world mix their dope with tobacco? That's what most people do here, so they're still inhaling tobacco in their bong or joints - the tobacco is probably worse than cigarettes because there's no filter before the smoke hits their lungs.
THANKS kayann and Miss Meow, that was what I was trying to say, you hit the nail on the head. yep it is indeed more harmful to the lungs.
Obesity, cigarette smoking, alcohol most certainly are taking a toll on our health care sytem. However, you would not be adding a new drug to that list, simply because it became legal. People smoke pot now, they will smoke pot if it was legal. Either way, the drug already exists, and is already making an impact (how much is impossible to prove) on our health care system. The difference would be that if it is legalized, the government could tax it, and use that tax revenue to do all kinds of beneficial things, including upgrading health care. Right now, all the money is going to some drug dealer on the street, where it could be going to you and I, via the government's taxation.Quote:
Originally posted by carole
I think we have enough health problems that are taking their toll on our health systems, with obesity,cigerette smoking, alcohol etc, why add one more.
So everyone who thinks its ok, are you telling me the research done is all nonsense, it does not kill the brain cells, or anything else,that all the claims are false, hmm I wonder.......I guess we believe what we want to believe.
I, for one, never said it was ok. On the contrary. I said, "I believe that smoking pot is not healthy for you. I also think that drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes and eating fettucini alfredo is not healthy for you." Doing ANY of those things is stupid, and bad for you ... how stupid and how bad for you depends on how much you do them, of course. The point being, however, some are legal and some are illegal. Alcohol is legal, pot is not. Alcohol sales are creating a huge tax base, marijuana sales are creating very rich drug dealers. Hypocracy.
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Just out of curiosity, do dope smokers in other parts of the world mix their dope with tobacco? That's what most people do here, so they're still inhaling tobacco in their bong or joints
I say YAY. Alot of ppl I know do it and I hate having to see ppl sneak around with it, it should be legal because it isnt as bad as smoking and pluse Alot of ppl do it for stress reasons. You cant get HIGH off marijuana, u just get either hyped up, or you burn out. It calms you down. I dont think it is bad. '
Originally posted by lbaker
I still will smoke an occasional joint, I have since the 60's.
I do it once in a while to :o... But I havet for like 2 months. I really dont think it is as bad as ppl think.
thats why there is such thing as a pipe!!! ;). pipes have made in filters so you dont inhail bud.Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
And that's why smoking a joint is more harmful as well, because there's no filter in a joint where there is in a cigarette.
I know a lot of people that have smoked or DO smoke pot and have never and WILL never try any other drug. BECAUSE thats just lame. Weed isnt a gateway drug PPL are the gateway drug, they make their own decisions, weed doesnt. Dont blame WEED lol. :p
Tikeyas_mom you are probably right, however I have known several people who have gone onto harder drugs, but it does depend on the person, i guess.
Twisterdog, I AGREE with you, although I am personally very much against dope smoking, I believe making it legal will solve a lot of problems, and their will more than likely be a postive side to it, taxing it to the hilt is the way to go, it will be legal in NZ soon , I am pretty certain of that., right now the gangs make big money out of it, and their is a lot of drug associated deaths, when deals go sour.
Making it legal will not make any difference to MO, I will still be against it, so its not just a case of being against it because one is breaking the law for me, regardless how mild it is, it still is a mind altering drug FULLSTOP., and the long term effects will not be known for some years to come, will be interesting to see the older generation in years to come.
Just like to add one more thing, smoking dack,drinking booze, or even over-eating can all become addictions for some people, yes a lot of people can smoke dack with no real noticable effects(although long term we donot know for certain) and some people cannot, thats the bottom line really., some people can do it in moderation, and not become addicted, and some cannot, those who say its non-addictive, I would beg to differ, have seen that with my friend, he cannot live without it.
But you don't go through withdrawals when you quit smoking pot, unlike the withdrawals from tobacco or alcohol, therefore it can't be called truly addictive (at least IMHO).
I do agree that it is a mind altering drug, but so is alcohol and it is legal (just look at the debacle of Prohibition), and it has much worse effects than pot does. Neither one should be used and then drive a motor vehicle.
I still say that just because I choose not to use it, doesn't mean that other consenting ADULTS shouldn't be able to imbibe if they so choose as long as they don't drive after using. What one adult does with his/her body is NOT my business.
Sorry youngsters...I don't think that you should be able to use it legally...just like alcohol, even though there are many teens that would be more responsible than many adults.
There is no medical or scientific evidence to support the claim that pot is physically addictive. Like nail biting, for some it may be a bad habit, but the chemicals in pot are not addictive. Nicotine, for example, is physically addictive.
Hmm.. then half of the people in my school must be smoking something else in the bathrooms, because they obviously can't go without it through the day. Although, it smells a heck alot like it.
Just because they skip classes to smoke pot doesn't mean they are addicted. Like was said, it can become a bad habit. I can't go through the day without chewing my nails or without reading...One bad habit, and one good, but I'm not addicted to either. I've skipped class to read.Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
Hmm.. then half of the people in my school must be smoking something else in the bathrooms, because they obviously can't go without it through the day. Although, it smells a heck alot like it.
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Originally posted by wolfsoul
Just because they skip classes to smoke pot doesn't mean they are addicted. Like was said, it can become a bad habit. I can't go through the day without chewing my nails or without reading...One bad habit, and one good, but I'm not addicted to either. I've skipped class to read.
They don't just smoke classes, they go there between every class, at lunch, and after school.
People say "omg, i need to go smoke a joint" or "omg i need some weed" and many other idiotic things.
But it's not becaue they physically HAVE to have it....it's because it sounds "cool" to them.Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
They don't just smoke classes, they go there between every class, at lunch, and after school.
People say "omg, i need to go smoke a joint" or "omg i need some weed" and many other idiotic things.
Same with me and reading...I read in class and out. I also say "Omg, I need my book." I'm not addicted.Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
They don't just smoke classes, they go there between every class, at lunch, and after school.
People say "omg, i need to go smoke a joint" or "omg i need some weed" and many other idiotic things.
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Originally posted by mugsy
But it's not becaue they physically HAVE to have it....it's because it sounds "cool" to them.
Eh... I guess so, either way it's stupid.
Mugsy I hear what you are saying, but with the person I am talking about he is 50 years old, and there is no question in my mind he is hopelessly addicted, and at 50 he is not trying to be cool anymore.
Maybe for some people it is addictive, is it not true different chemicals affect everyone in a different way, I would still argue the point as to whether it really is addictive or not.
Whatever the case maybe, when any person turns to a substance of any kind, and continually needs it, they have a problem IMO., regardless whether its considered addictive or not.
One thing I wish to mention, is if you are driving a vehicle under the influence of alcohol and get caught you are punished, but if you are under the influence of dope, you won't be, well not yet in my country, although drugs testing may come here yet., everyone says including myself I would feel safer with someone under the influence of Dope than alcohol, but still how safe is it really, and how much has to be consumed before it affects ones driving ability, I believe as with alcohol, your reactions are a lot slower, so infact it is still dangerous.
howmuch doyou wanna bet the weed the ppl smoke at your school is laced with coke .... that would make it addicting.Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
They don't just smoke classes, they go there between every class, at lunch, and after school.
People say "omg, i need to go smoke a joint" or "omg i need some weed" and many other idiotic things.
YES you can get high off of Marijuana, when you're high you KNOW you're high, your mouth gets hella dry, You forget what you were just thinking about, you perception of time and space gets pretty distorted, I've been so blasted I couldn't walk straight(I've only experienced that once though which leads me to believe it could have been laced), you definitly can get high off Marijuana.Quote:
Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
I say YAY. Alot of ppl I know do it and I hate having to see ppl sneak around with it, it should be legal because it isnt as bad as smoking and pluse Alot of ppl do it for stress reasons. You cant get HIGH off marijuana, u just get either hyped up, or you burn out. It calms you down. I dont think it is bad. '
Originally posted by lbaker
I still will smoke an occasional joint, I have since the 60's.
I do it once in a while to :o... But I havet for like 2 months. I really dont think it is as bad as ppl think.
lol yeah I guess. but thats the fun part of it lol. You forgot to add the excessive eating that is involved!! lolQuote:
Originally posted by Relentless
YES you can get high off of Marijuana, when you're high you KNOW you're high, your mouth gets hella dry, You forget what you were just thinking about, you perception of time and space gets pretty distorted, I've been so blasted I couldn't walk straight(I've only experienced that once though which leads me to believe it could have been laced), you definitly can get high off Marijuana.
They probably also say, OMG I need that new cd or I'll die. Or I've gotta have a peanut snickers now, It doesn't necessarily indicate that it's addictive.Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
They don't just smoke classes, they go there between every class, at lunch, and after school.
People say "omg, i need to go smoke a joint" or "omg i need some weed" and many other idiotic things.
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Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
thats why there is such thing as a pipe!!! ;). pipes have made in filters so you dont inhail bud.
I think you got filter mixed up with screen, I have never seen a cotton/fiberglass filter in/on a pipe like they have on a cigarette but I have seen plenty of screens on pipes, and they aren't made in, they are removable. ;)
Cigarette filters don't do much health wise, the main reason for them is so you don't get tabacco in your mouth, it doesn't filter the smoke itself at all, but even if it did which it doesn't whats so hard about legalizing Marijuana and sticking filters on a pack of cigaweeds?
Yeah when you're high you can easily put away three large bags of chips without feeling the least bit full.Quote:
Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
lol yeah I guess. but thats the fun part of it lol. You forgot to add the excessive eating that is involved!! lol
umm, you most certainly CAN get high off marijuana.Quote:
Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
I say YAY. Alot of ppl I know do it and I hate having to see ppl sneak around with it, it should be legal because it isnt as bad as smoking and pluse Alot of ppl do it for stress reasons. You cant get HIGH off marijuana, u just get either hyped up, or you burn out. It calms you down. I dont think it is bad. '
I have smoked weed befor I didnt feel any different lol. A couple of months ago I smoked some weed and I got really hyper and ate a HUGE bag of munchies lol. I never really feel any difference in my self. I never really feel HIGH like I never trip out.Quote:
Originally posted by babolaypo65
umm, you most certainly CAN get high off marijuana.
You usually don't get high the first couple times you smoke.(This being from personal experiences)And its impossible to get high if you don't inhale.Quote:
Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
I have smoked weed befor I didnt feel any different lol. A couple of months ago I smoked some weed and I got really hyper and ate a HUGE bag of munchies lol. I never really feel any difference in my self. I never really feel HIGH like I never trip out.