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Originally posted by luckies4me
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Please stop with this. You are making people back out of the faith and have no respect towards it. I am Christian, no I don't go to church but I believe in God, and what you are doing would make him sick! It's people like you that make people question God!
Luckies, you and I DON'T agree on a lot of stuff, but we DO agree on this.
100%
she is out of line.
Grr....
It is sanctimonious, self-righteous individuals like lotrfreak that turned me OFF my Christianity after being a Christian for more than ten years of my youth! There are some really decent Christians out there, many of them frequent this forum, however there are just too many hypocritical, nasty and bigoted Christians out there. I believe in God, but have little faith in the purity of His church.
This discussion may very vell become a moot point in years to come - perhaps neither the evolutionists and creationists are right. Remember that, in not too distant history, both groups believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth - they were BOTH wrong. We are misguided if we believe that we are the most enlightened age of history and that we have perceived everything correctly.
The trick is, to keep an open mind.
BTW - why is lotrfreak named after a series of books that is considered "heresy" by some Christian churches?
I thought that lotrfreak stood for Lord Of The Rings Freak?Quote:
Originally posted by IttyBittyKitty
BTW - why is lotrfreak named after a series of books that is considered "heresy" by some Christian churches?
You're quicker than me, Icey. I thought it was just short for 'a whole lotta freak' and wondered why someone would call themselves that :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by iceyshiver21
I thought that lotrfreak stood for Lord Of The Rings Freak?
LOL I thought he/she/it was a lottery freak.Quote:
Originally posted by Miss Meow
You're quicker than me, Icey. I thought it was just short for 'a whole lotta freak' and wondered why someone would call themselves that :rolleyes:
Fister suggests that you may have been talking about your faith a bit too much to the doctor, and he wrote "Oh My God!" underneath :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by lotrfreak
some of you may say. the doctors' treatment worked. No, because on her release papers, where the doctors sign their name, was the word God. right there in black and white was the healer of my mother.
I took "LOTR" to stand for Lord of the Rings ... and some churches consider the books and the movies to be heresy (because they are about magic and that type of malarkey) ... in particular, the Harry Potter books have also been slammed by some extremists for the same reasons ... a bit silly, really!
Yeah, its Lord of the Rings Freak, according to her. And it gave me pause too, considering....
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Originally posted by lotrfreak
Or perhaps, we could just start anew in this thread. Hi I am Lord of the Rings Freak. Iwas discussing in class the topic of evolution vs. creation. What is your view?
I never thought about the name contradicting Christianity -- that's funny :D
And I think it's really stupid that people are slamming books because they have magic, other religion, etc. I think that Harry Potter books are fun to read (although I just wait for the movie to come out :p), and lots of people like lotr....another type of Christian I don't like --- Soon we will all be illiterate.
Religious fanatics have always done that to books....look at Catcher in the Rye.....it's been burned by "Christians" for a long time. Until people learn to be tolerant of different beliefs, it will always be a problem.
I teach with a lot of people who claim to be Christian, but have told me I am going to go to hell because I believe in evolution and that people who are NOT Christian (accepting of Jesus Christ as their savior) will go to hell. Now, what about Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Wiccan....I don't think so.
I don't know about going to hell... but I have always been told, read, and believed, that if you beleive in God, and in Jesus, that you will be with them in the after life. I don't know about those other religions... only God knows the answer for sure. wiccan tho, I am not saying they bound for hell, but it is not honoring God.
I don't know that much about Wicca but, I know that they honor a higher being that is more powerful than themselves.
Kayla...is that you!?!?!
(Inside joke, hehe, read below to get the joke.)
This thread sounds like a thread to be made by my old friend Kayla (she was a Lord of the Rings "freak" too, how weird!!). She rammed her religion down my throat so hard, she almost ripped out my voice box. She kept on telling me if I didn't get baptised, I would burn in hell, and my soul would be tortured. She literally arranged my baptism with her mother (with out my family and I knowing it), and asked my mom if her mom could be my God mother and would it be ok if Laura (me) got baptised. When she would come over to visit she would bring the Bible over EVERYTIME and read excerpts to me and ask me what I thought they meant/what was my opinion on that matter, for about 1 hour. I was polite (of course), so I answered all her questions, and intently listened to her reading...
Finally, I couldn't take it anymore, it was so extreme I said "That's it, our 8 year friendship is over."
I would have had no problem with discussing this topic with her lightly, but she was WAY over the top...like this thread.
OK... When I first read "LOTRFREAK" .. I thought it was LOT from the Bible... and I kept racking my brain trying to remember what it was that he did, why someone would choose it as a namesake.
Then it hit me... Lord Of The Rings. Duh! :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by mugsy
I teach with a lot of people who claim to be Christian, but have told me I am going to go to hell because I believe in evolution and that people who are NOT Christian (accepting of Jesus Christ as their savior) will go to hell. Now, what about Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Wiccan....I don't think so.
Hell will be a very crowded place.
If memory serves even Icey shiver's favorite book was banned by certain religious groups at one point in time.
I certainly will NEVER understand book burning. My fellow New Mexican (zippykat) will probably remember how we made national news last year because Roswell had a public burning of Harry Potter (sponsored by one of the more zealous christian churches).
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Originally posted by mugsy
Religious fanatics have always done that to books....look at Catcher in the Rye.....it's been burned by "Christians" for a long time. Until people learn to be tolerant of different beliefs, it will always be a problem.
Excuse me, maybe the churches who rejected Lord of the Rings didn't do their research. John Ronald Reuel Tolkien is a Christian. In fact, he talked to C. S. Lewis and that famed author converted to Christianity. Harry Potter is not Christian and it is written on a bunch of cr**. Tolkien, however, took some of his ideas from the Bible for the books. In fact, C.S. Lewis did the same thing in the Chronicles of Narnia, and Tolkien was a little disappointed at first that he sort of took his idea, but he very quickly got over it. I also do not know why me stating my beliefs is ramming it down your throat. I am telling exactly what i know about creation just as you are about evolution. Stop ramming YOUR beliefs down my throat.
Evolution, they say, is based on the scientific method. Make an observation, consult prior knowledge, form a hypothesis, design your experiment, collect information, interpret data, consult prior knowledge, form conclusions. However, no one was there when this supposedly happened, so how could they perform the scientific method. Evolution is not based on the scientific method and is therefore just as "religious" as belief in creation.
I don't want to get envolved in this debate...because I don't wanna ram anything down anyone's throat and vice versa...but "Jesus Freak!!!!" has asked me to asked for your emails because she isn't allowed on this board anymore. I'm not sure who she had in mind..but if you wouldn't mind, could everyone post their emails? and then I'll send them to her...
Thx
proof of evolution has been sitting under everyone's nose for the last 25 plus years.....
planet of the apes movies......
explain THAT away...
mine is [email protected]
that goes for my aim address too
oh, about planet of the apes, if i would watch it i might be able to again defend my belief. it seems as freaky as Chuckie to me
yes, they do... but it is not God. and I am not condemning them, I am just saying what I have been raised with the belief and there may very well be some that practice it that still do beleive in God. I beleive that when you die, if you believe in God, then you will be with him for eternity.Quote:
I don't know that much about Wicca but, I know that they honor a higher being that is more powerful than themselves
But richard... it seems we've DEvolved with that terrible terrible remake of planet of the apes. helena bonham carter what were you thinking!!!
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Originally posted by RICHARD
proof of evolution has been sitting under everyone's nose for the last 25 plus years.....
planet of the apes movies......
explain THAT away...
Yes, pagens believe in the God and the Goddess. I can't remember exactly (i used to practice wicca) but I do remember that the God is the god of the sun, as well as many other things, and the Goddess is the goddess of the moon, harvesting, and other stuff ;)Quote:
I don't know that much about Wicca but, I know that they honor a higher being that is more powerful than themselves
I don't believe in that stuff though...
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Originally posted by lotrfreak
Harry Potter is not Christian and it is written on a bunch of cr**.
WHAT??!
you're not serious, right?
if you are, then I guess you'd want Harry potter books banned/burned?!!
LOTRFREAK,
Just because LOTR was written by someone you "approve" of does it make it okay to read these books yet codemn Harry Potter books? It's the same bleedin' genre here. Tolkien may have been a Christian, but that very fact and any religious messages he is trying to convey in the books are well hidden indeed.
Meanwhile, why cant LOTR post here any more?
I think you mean Jesus Freak.Quote:
Originally posted by IttyBittyKitty
Meanwhile, why cant LOTR post here any more?
So you're saying that you wouldn't read a book if it isn't written by a Christian? :mad: It's not just in this statement, but in all of yours that is racist. You are a racist! You judge people by their religion. You judge people's writing by their religion. And that is racism. I don't judge you by your religion, but by the way you speak of it. I judge you by the way you condemn others opinions, and the way you only consider yourself as "right" when everyone knows that no one person is known to be right.Quote:
Excuse me, maybe the churches who rejected Lord of the Rings didn't do their research. John Ronald Reuel Tolkien is a Christian
So --- you wouldn't read "The Cage" by Ruth Minsky, because she is Jewish, and because her book is based on the true story of the Haullocaust, and about how the Jewish suffered during the time of war?
You wouldn't read books that are written by Catholics, Muslims, Pagens, Satanists, Budists, or any others, because it spoke of what they believe in? That's pretty much what you are saying, and if it is true, than why do you linger here and listen to what we write? Not all of us are Christian, and everyone here is displaying their belief in an opinionated way, so why do you choose to read now, when you reject the writing of professional authors who take time and effort into their work?
you are taking my words right out of context!:mad: I don't like to be accused of something that i would never have doner nor would ever think of doing. i said it is written by a Christian SO WHAT!!!!! that does not mean i only read Christian books. you said it is wierd that i am a Christian and yet read books that are rejected by some fellow Christians. i said they hadn't done their research beacuse he is christian. i dont read harry potter because it has to deal with sorcery and witchcraft and is in no way a part of the bible. i always thought the chronicles of narnia were bad until i knew they were founded in the bible. i read books by many different types of authors who have many different types of religious background. in fact, half of the Bible is written by Jews(through God of course). Have you ever heard of Watership Down? Why it is one of my most very favorite books. It is about rabbits, but it is no children's book. It is written by Richard Adams and you what, I have absolutely no idea what his religion is, and i know absolutely nothing about him except that he is a famed author for one of his other books, Shardik.
WOAH! Wolfsoul....your post made my jaw drop! lol! :eek:
I personally don't get why some Christian churches are against Tolkien/Lord of the Rings, since J.R.R. incorporated a fair amount of Christian imagery/symbolism!?!?!?!
SO? That's why we have the quote button, -duh-Quote:
you are taking my words right out of context
Hmmmm.....well let's see, Lord of the Rings has quite alot of witch craft, sorcery...:rolleyes: I haven't heard anything about the bible in it so far, but correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't enjoy the first movie and drowsed a bit..Quote:
i dont read harry potter because it has to deal with sorcery and witchcraft and is in no way a part of the bible.
Thanks YLL :D lol
he didnt quote the bible he just had the ideas molded in his book. and u know what hollywood does to books.
however, this is in the Bible (Exodus 21.7):Quote:
Originally posted by lotrfreak
l i dont read harry potter because it has to deal with sorcery and witchcraft and is in no way a part of the bible.
'If a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not be freed at the end of six days as the men are.'
then it goes on to say that if she displeases him, she can be sold as long as it's not to 'foreigners' :confused:
and this (Exodus 35.2):
'Work six days only; the seventh day is a day of solemn rest, a holy day to be used to worship Jehovah; anyone working on that day must die. Don't even light fires in your home on that day.'
So, what you're saying is that Harry Potter books are bad/evil, but these quotes from the Bible are to be followed?
I grew up going to church and Bible study, and it has
always been strange to me when people say things like "this is the truth because it says so in the Bible!"
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HERE HERE WELL SAID.
Just to be precise, and not meaning to split hairs, but Tolkien was a staunch Catholic, When C.S. Lewis converted, it wasn't to Catholism (if memory serves, he was Anglican)...(nor was it because of Tolkien-your post was amiguous there).
While I agree there are certain themes in LOTR that are "christian" in nature, and while Tolkien noted that he did use some biblical stories and concepts as inspiration, it IS also full of pagan references, and obvious pagan tradition, as well as references to mystical, magical things that would not sit well with many different types of christians. In addition Tolkien states openly that the main inspiration for LOTR was the wars and politics of Europe in the 20th century, and HITLER. That's a particularly non-christian theme.
I find it troubling to say that LOTR is "christian" and that it's therefore okay to read. Does this suggest that all things written by Catholics, and all beliefs of the Catholic church would be acceptable to your "brand" of christianity?
Many books, and films have themes that could be viewed as Christian. Look at the Arthurian legends for an obvious lesson. Heck, look at the Matrix! Forest Gump....
My point isn't to argue religion. I don't believe in that. My point is this: LOTR is a novel, written by a man who had many influences, and inspirations. It is a work of fiction, regardless of the inspirations. All creative writing has inspiration from somewhere.
Harry Potter is also a work of fiction. As was Catcher in the Rye, and To Kill a Mockingbird. Each has its place and its audience. You may choose not to read them if you'd like.
If I were obnoxious, and you spoke to ME of Harry Potter as evil, withcraft.... I would hold you to that standard with all your entertainment sources. I would point out any hypocrisy when you chose to view a movie, or listen to someone's music that had non-christian, or magical, withcraft themes.
No bewitched, no sabrina, and, no LOTR as far as I'm concerned, GANDALF used magic, that was not of a christian source, nor a gift of Jesus. If anything it was Pagan.
LOTRfreak: I broke my own rule, I entered the religious part of this discussion. I'm sure I'll regret it, however, I am forever a teacher at my core, and your youthfull arrogance brought out the teacher in me.
??? Hollywood can't do anything to actual books without the concent of the author!!!??? So no, I do not know what Hollywood does to books, but I do know what Hollywood does to movies.Quote:
Originally posted by lotrfreak
he didnt quote the bible he just had the ideas molded in his book. and u know what hollywood does to books.
And if you are hinting about Lord of the Rings (movie)...Peter Jackson went along with the book, and filmed the movie the way J.R.R Tolkien would most likely have filmed it. So Hollywood didn't do anything to twist up that movie. The books and the trilogy movies are 90% the same.
He, who's "he"??
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Originally posted by lotrfreak
he didnt quote the bible he just had the ideas molded in his book. and u know what hollywood does to books.
they make really bad movies???
getting back to creationism and evolution....
i could never present enough evidence to convince you, myself
or anyone else what really happened when god, or the universe
decided put the planet together.
while i do not believe in creationism, i have looked thru a telescope or seen pictures from the Hubble (the telescope)-
at that point it is pretty hard to think to yourself that THERE IS NOT A FORCE larger than we are...
there are times when science is more believeable - you can hold it in your hands- like fossils...they came from somewhere and until you can dimiss their 'weight' you can't just say,
"no, that cannot be!"
religion is a process where the unexplainable is left to the
pages of the bible and the way that a religious person may interpret them......a world created by god is far more difficult to
prove than the idea a spinning cloud of gas and dust coagulates into a star and 9 planets.
religion is a highly personalized belief, an answer to the mysteries of the world. to stand on a street corner and challenge everyone to prove you wrong is a way to stir up the masses.
challenging people to prove you are right is a far better challenge-
you get people to think and question the reason that they are here........
while i do not believe in one particular god it's far easier to question the future than it is to question the past, after all, the past is lost to us.
the future is in the next minute or hour, we have a hand in what that brings, we have a chance to mold it into what we want from tomorrow.
religion is not a bad thing, but when it espouses love, acceptance and understanding and turns it's back on tangible, scientific fact-something's wrong.
look at history thru the middle ages and see how the science minds of that time had to deal with the RC church....
the god of creationism never put anyone to death,
it's the god of religion that has the funny little quirks.
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This isn't necessarily true. It takes an author with a lot of influence to actually be able to help write the script. Take the movie "I Know What You Did Last Summer." That was *based* on the book by Lois Duncan, and the book is completely different than the movie. Actually, if they had stayed true to the book, it would have made a much better movie. Most times, the book is signed over with a "promise" to hold true to the story.Quote:
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??? Hollywood can't do anything to actual books without the concent of the author!!!??? So no, I do not know what Hollywood does to books, but I do know what Hollywood does to movies.
I have not read the LOTR books, but I have heard that the movie did a pretty good job at staying true to the story line.
Well what can i say a down to earth KIWI produced LORD OF THE RINGS, thats why, sorry folks just had to put a plug in there for us KIWIS lol
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Originally posted by carole
Well what can i say a down to earth KIWI produced LORD OF THE RINGS, thats why, sorry folks just had to put a plug in there for us KIWIS lol
carole,
you and i know that those delicious, fuzzy, brown fruits from down under couldn't possibly 'produce' a film....;)
lol