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I am not trying to second guess you, I was calling him anyway about my dogs. I did just speak to him, and we talked about my dogs for a while ( I didn't mention a thing about Chewy or anything), and before we hung up, he asked me if I gave his name out to a girl in Williamsport. I told him yes, and he said he is getting back to you and your father very soon. He is going to evaluate Chewy, and he is great!!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Aspen and Misty
, although I have not talked to him yet you may call and atleast confirm I HAVE talked to him.
Ash
I have a meeting with him on Friday, I'll let you know how he is.
One thing I do know, is that he has three GSDs--I can't wait to see them!!!
And I agree with aly, let's focus on the good stuff now.
:D :D :D :D :D :D LOL, I told him someone named Emily gave me his name and number but I didn't know her last name. Hee heeQuote:
Originally posted by lovemyshiba
I am not trying to second guess you, I was calling him anyway about my dogs. I did just speak to him, and we talked about my dogs for a while ( I didn't mention a thing about Chewy or anything), and before we hung up, he asked me if I gave his name out to a girl in Williamsport. I told him yes, and he said he is getting back to you and your father very soon. He is going to evaluate Chewy, and he is great!!!!!
I have a meeting with him on Friday, I'll let you know how he is.
One thing I do know, is that he has three GSDs--I can't wait to see them!!!
And I agree with aly, let's focus on the good stuff now.
Ash
He figured us out!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Aspen and Misty
:D :D :D :D :D :D LOL, I told him someone named Emily gave me his name and number but I didn't know her last name. Hee hee
Ash
Ash, I am so sorry to hear about your decision. I know this is a very tough time for you. I will keep you, Chewy, and your family in my thoughts and prayers.:(
LOl smart man :D tell me how it goes on Friday Good luck! Thank you Sarah it means alot to know you support me.Quote:
Originally posted by lovemyshiba
He figured us out!!!
Ash
hoping for the best!Quote:
Originally posted by aly
Lets concentrate on the good. Chewy will be evaluated and may have a chance now.
YAAAAAY!
i know i will make some people mad but attaching another dog and attaching a person (which the dog knows) are two different matters in ga if you give a dog away knowingly that is human aggressive whether you tell the person that is getting the dog or not tell them if the dog bites and injures the person you are still liable. lawsuits. we have seen a lot of dogs at our clinic that sweet adorable babies then change for no reason several come to mind brutus rottie mix played with him since he was 6wks old never had a problem came in for baths almost everyother wk always running to me licking kissing one day he did as always i was hugging when he all of the sudden started growling lunged at me hitting me in the face and knock me back 6 feet into the wall broke my nose then he started growling at everyone the owners have chosen to keep him enough he went after their grandchild. then there omar a springer spaniel went after another client that was in the office for no reason this dog is older has growled and lunged at some of my other employees people he is used to. brutus was 2yr 145lb omar is 7yr 55lb. i think that ash has to make her own decision and what ever the decision is should be supportive of it. i personally will not keep a dog up that has started attaching or biting people for no reason. i know a lot of you will be mad at me but looking at it in a legal point of veiw i cant afford to be sued. also i wouldnt want it on my concince that i knowingly gave a dog away that was aggressive and then it harmed someone i dont think i could live with it i also dont think putting the dog in a pact is the thing to do if he is animal aggressive if you do you are asking for a major blood bath this is not humane either. sometimes we have to make decisions that we dont want to but have to i am not one for putting an animal down for no reason. but when it comes to aggression i personally will not own one. now if one of my poodles attacks for no reason after the 10day guaranteen they will be put down but if is protecting me from harm that is different and if i offend anyone i am sorry but responcible pet owner ship is what this is all about. so many breeds get a bad reputation due to one or two dogs. there was a list a few years back the cocker spaniel was the nbr one biting dog 1 in 10 but the rottie is the most feared it was rated 1 in 200 will bite like i said it is all about being responcible my heart goes out to ash and chewy and i wish them all the luck and no matter what her decision is everyone should be supportive on it. thats it for me i hope that i did not offend anyone.
Thank you oodlesofpoodles. I just wanted to add here, as I think I forgot to mention it before.
Know what springer rage is? Its where the dogs eyes glaze over and they attack someone for no reson and they have no idea what they did and they completly loose controlle, well thats atleast my understanding of it. I beleave that Chewy has some thing like springer rage. His eyes glaze over and nothing will stop him from biteing. I don't personally think this is a behavioral problem I think it is a genes problem type of thing. I will be consolting with my vet to see if there is a test he can do or if there are any medicines which can help him, I asked the otehr vet who Chewy saw once and he said no, and now that I think about it I never asked my vet so I'm going to ask him. I thought that might help you more understnad our problem, now we are going to still go to the trainer.
Ash
in my 1st post i did say it could be medical i think by checking with your vet and checking with a trainer is a good thing and like i sd no matter what your decision is you have my full support and you are in my heart and prayers take care and let me know you can email me if you want. take care.
i think springer rage is like something i read about before...i think its called rage disorder or something of the sort...i read that springer spaniels and solid coloured cockers are prone to it...i dont know much about it though...ill look it up...
ah ive found some info! :D here we go, ill probably get more soon...i was gonna just copy it out onto the post, but its too long...ill just give u the addy
http://www.essfta.org/aggression.htm
Thanx, that was interesinting. I didn't know much about it but now I feel like I know more. :D Always love to learn.
Ash
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Originally posted by oodlesofpoodles
i know i will make some people mad but attaching another dog and attaching a person (which the dog knows) are two different matters in ga if you give a dog away knowingly that is human aggressive whether you tell the person that is getting the dog or not tell them if the dog bites and injures the person you are still liable. lawsuits. we have seen a lot of dogs at our clinic that sweet adorable babies then change for no reason several come to mind brutus rottie mix played with him since he was 6wks old never had a problem came in for baths almost everyother wk always running to me licking kissing one day he did as always i was hugging when he all of the sudden started growling lunged at me hitting me in the face and knock me back 6 feet into the wall broke my nose then he started growling at everyone the owners have chosen to keep him enough he went after their grandchild. then there omar a springer spaniel went after another client that was in the office for no reason this dog is older has growled and lunged at some of my other employees people he is used to. brutus was 2yr 145lb omar is 7yr 55lb. i think that ash has to make her own decision and what ever the decision is should be supportive of it. i personally will not keep a dog up that has started attaching or biting people for no reason. i know a lot of you will be mad at me but looking at it in a legal point of veiw i cant afford to be sued. also i wouldnt want it on my concince that i knowingly gave a dog away that was aggressive and then it harmed someone i dont think i could live with it i also dont think putting the dog in a pact is the thing to do if he is animal aggressive if you do you are asking for a major blood bath this is not humane either. sometimes we have to make decisions that we dont want to but have to i am not one for putting an animal down for no reason. but when it comes to aggression i personally will not own one. now if one of my poodles attacks for no reason after the 10day guaranteen they will be put down but if is protecting me from harm that is different and if i offend anyone i am sorry but responcible pet owner ship is what this is all about. so many breeds get a bad reputation due to one or two dogs. there was a list a few years back the cocker spaniel was the nbr one biting dog 1 in 10 but the rottie is the most feared it was rated 1 in 200 will bite like i said it is all about being responcible my heart goes out to ash and chewy and i wish them all the luck and no matter what her decision is everyone should be supportive on it. thats it for me i hope that i did not offend anyone.
It is VERY hard to read your post. Can you please word your senteces in a easy to read way? Thanks!
I agree. No offense intended, oodlesofpoodles, but if you use capital letters, punctuation and paragraphs in the future, it would be much easier for us to read.Quote:
It is VERY hard to read your post. Can you please word your senteces in a easy to read way? Thanks!
I usually just skip posts without paragraphs and punctuation, because it's just too painful to try to read. I'm sure there's good information in a lot of those posts, but I just can't bear to atttempt it.
Am I reading this correctly .... $350 per hour? $350 PER HOUR!?
*Twisterdog faints dead away on the floor ... *
I absolutely cannot comprehend paying ANYone $350 per hour for ANYthing! And I personally don't know of a single person who could afford to do so!
Ash, are you sure it's $350 per hour? If so, and if your dad is willing to do this for you and Chewy, I can assure you that your dad is a kinder, more generous and caring man than 99.999% of people on this earth. NO ONE can say you and your dad aren't trying and doing everything possible for this dog is he is willing to spend $350 per hour to try and save him. Honestly, I couldn't pay that for one of my dogs, no way.
I find it mind-boggling that anyone would have the nerve to charge that much for anything, no matter how good they are at it. And I find it even more mind-boggling that people would be willing to actually pay it! WOW.
Twisterdog, when Drake, my GSD/Wolf Hybrid, was showing signs of aggression, we went to a behaviorist who specializes in Hybrids and aggressive behavior. We paid $300.00 and hour. We met once a week and I had to drive over an hour and a half and take half a day off of work every Tuesday for about 4 months! We see this behaviorist once every 2 months now. Drake has benifitted greatly from our sessions and we only do for "preventative maintenance" for the lack of a better word.
Was it worth it? Absolutely!! We are fortunate to have had the means to pay for this. If we hadn't had the money, I would have sold anything that I had that would bring in that money for Drake.
As I've mentioned before, when we first adopted Shiloh, she had a nipping problem (not even biting, just nipping, no aggression). In the process of setting up a meeting with a behaviorist, at $200 an hour, Shiloh corrected it herself.
If this were a medical problem, would you spend $350 to help save your dog's life?
This trainer is going to see Chewy once, for a FREE evaluation. The eval is anywhere from 30-60 minutes, and during this time, he likes to get to know the dog, and the owners.
After that, it is entirely up to the owner if they want to continue with him. He gives no pressure.
I am taking my dogs there on Friday, for our initiation--just for basic obedience. He said that if I don't like him, or his area, or anything, there will be no pressure to take his class, or anything.
Since it is FREE, I think Chewy can at least be offered this.
Twister dog I have to agree with you. It really bothers me that anyone charges this kind of a fee! Good grief! Lots of things these days are overpriced but this is just gouging people. My thought is that they are preying on the 'last ditch efforts' of their patrons who are at their wits end and will agree to anything. Ash I have to commend you for going ahead with this. I think you and your folks are heros - it's just these outrageous fees that make me mad. I am a little skeptical about these people's (in general) desire to help people. It sounds too much like a money thing. Just my humble opinion. :mad: :mad:
Emily states that the first evaluation is free. Can't beat that price.
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Originally posted by Twisterdog
I agree. No offense intended, oodlesofpoodles, but if you use capital letters, punctuation and paragraphs in the future, it would be much easier for us to read.
I usually just skip posts without paragraphs and punctuation, because it's just too painful to try to read. I'm sure there's good information in a lot of those posts, but I just can't bear to atttempt it.
I hope this is better. I hope that my future post will be easier to read. Sorry for not being better on the composition. As I said I did not want to offend anyone. But I guess I did. Sorry
We are at least going for the first evaluation, I mean hey its free, and I get to meet Emily so who can beat that? I can't wait but I'm also worried he won't beleave me Chewy is agressive, I mean I'm not lieing at all, I would never make it up that Cheyw has agression problems, but he is sooo sweet outside of the home, he's a perfect angel out at the pet store and Lows. I know he will be good when we go to the trainers. I feel bad I left out one of the most important things when I talked to him, the fact he doesn't know whats going on or what he is doing when he bites. Well, I'm exited we might be able to solve my darling Chewy's problems, I know he is a sweety and really wants to be good and he is so smart I think he will catch on quickly.
Ash
I will keep you in my prayers as you go through this hard time. I do hope this consultation will be the answer to your and Chewy's problem.
From reading I feel this whole thing has been difficult for you and I don't know that I would agree with everything, but I do want you to know that I'm thinking of you and of Chewy.
Thank you for thinking about us, it means a alot to us.Quote:
Originally posted by robinh
I will keep you in my prayers as you go through this hard time. I do hope this consultation will be the answer to your and Chewy's problem.
From reading I feel this whole thing has been difficult for you and I don't know that I would agree with everything, but I do want you to know that I'm thinking of you and of Chewy.
I just called Mr. Jones who said tha lessons are only $350 for 6 weeks, not a week, for all the weeks. I didn't correct you earlyer because I wasn't sure but now I know and I wanted you to know that it is for all the weeks not per week :D
Ash
That's great!! Much more affordable!Quote:
Originally posted by Aspen and Misty
I just called Mr. Jones who said tha lessons are only $350 for 6 weeks, not a week, for all the weeks. I didn't correct you earlyer because I wasn't sure but now I know and I wanted you to know that it is for all the weeks not per week :D
Ash
Definitly, or else we would be going broke :eek:Quote:
Originally posted by Sudilar
That's great!! Much more affordable!
Ash
Yeah!!!
I'm beginning to see a light at the end of the tunnel!!!!
Chin Up Ashley!!!!!
Good Luck Ashley and Chewy!!!!!
Half of me says :D and the other half says :( . I'm so worried about what the trainer is going to say and what my parents and sister are talking about behind my back, which I just found out is going on. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by delidog
Yeah!!!
I'm beginning to see a light at the end of the tunnel!!!!
Chin Up Ashley!!!!!
Good Luck Ashley and Chewy!!!!!
Ash
You know we are ALL hoping for the best possible outcome for Chewy ... we'll be waiting with baited breath for what the trainer says. That's excellent news on the price, so much more affordable! Whew!
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Originally posted by Karen
You know we are ALL hoping for the best possible outcome for Chewy ... we'll be waiting with baited breath for what the trainer says. That's excellent news on the price, so much more affordable! Whew!
I know. you guys have been showing how much you love Chewy since the begining. As soon as I get home you guys will know what he said, so anytime around 9 or 10 (eastern time) I will be posting what happened and how it went.
Ash
Wow--that's great!! The price, I mean.
I really really hope something can be done--it's starting to come together now....
Ash, I have to work on 4 at Saturday:(
What time do you think you will be coming??
Of course I would, how absurd to even ask that. I also wouldn't hesitate to spend $350 for a series of training sessions.Quote:
If this were a medical problem, would you spend $350 to help save your dog's life?
What I said was that there was no way on this earth I could afford to pay $350 per HOUR for training. Let's assume the dog has a serious behavior problem (obviously, or the owner's wouldn't be at this point), and it take ten hours to correct the problem. That's $3,500 ... don't know about you, but I don't have $3,500 laying around.
Not everyone can afford $350 per hour for dog training. If you can, hey, that's great. But I personally feel that if a pet owner cannot possibly manage to pay $350 per hour for training or $350 per chemotherapy treatment or whatever the case may be, that this does not necessarily make them a rotten person. It makes them an average, working-class citizen trying to make ends meet.
I think your dog might have distemper from what you are discribing :( it is sad because they are fine intill they bite once then they get it in their head that they are in controll.. My malamute had distemper she had to be put down because she bite my lil brother *he was 5 at the time* .. maybe goto the vet and get a blood test dont to your dog.. Good luck ...
Thanx, I know if it was $350 an hour I would not be able to offord it at all, that would be crazy. I will try going to the vet and getting a distemper done on him maybe thats whats wrong, although no one has ever let Chewy be above them, maybe we weren't speaking Chewy and we need to learn how?? I dunno, what ever it is we will find out whats going on.
O that stinks :( we will be coming down inbetween 3 and 5 so no time to visit I guess :( next time maybe?Quote:
Originally posted by lovemyshiba
Wow--that's great!! The price, I mean.
I really really hope something can be done--it's starting to come together now....
Ash, I have to work on 4 at Saturday:(
What time do you think you will be coming??
Ash
Twisterdog is speaking of my quote:Quote:
Originally posted by Twisterdog
Of course I would, how absurd to even ask that. I also wouldn't hesitate to spend $350 for a series of training sessions.
QUOTE:
If this were a medical problem, would you spend $350 to help save your dog's life?
That was a RHETORICAL question.........not directed at ANYONE in particular. :D
I was referring to a $350 evaluation, not on-going treatment. Yes, if it were $350 per hour for a long time, most people could NOT afford it.
QUOTE:
If this were a medical problem, would you spend $350 to help save your dog's life?
rhetorical question
n.
A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.
MEANING:
No answer necessary....OF COURSE we all would.
This book might be helpful, if not, at least interesting:
The Culture Clash by Donaldson
http://www.sitstay.com/store/books/understanding1.shtml
I've read the Culture Clash and it is an incredible book. HIGHLY recommend it!!!!!
Can you give a brief on what this book is about??Quote:
Originally posted by aly
I've read the Culture Clash and it is an incredible book. HIGHLY recommend it!!!!!
I LOVE sitstay.com
That is where I make my pedigrees for my rattery. :D