THAT is a cool looking horse. Never heard of such a breed. Where did you find this?
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THAT is a cool looking horse. Never heard of such a breed. Where did you find this?
Y.L.L.
I never heard of it either....LOOK at those Ears!!!!!!!
Good Stumper!!!!!!!!;) :)
I have a few pictures of kathiawaris in this book that has a bunch of breeds.I think they're really cool.They do have very distinctive ears!:)
I was looking in my horse breed book, trying to find a tricky breed..I found that one. :DQuote:
Originally posted by Equinebehaviorist
THAT is a cool looking horse. Never heard of such a breed. Where did you find this?
YLL, that was a tough question, the closest I came up with for that one was the Marwari horse.http://www.equiworld.net/en/breeds/marwari/10a7.jpg
Look, it has those same weird ears! They come from India too so they must be related.
EquineB, welcome to this thread, it's nice to have a new horse lover here.:) I will try to answer your questions.
The horses used to develop the Quarter Horse breed were Arabs, Turks and Barbs.
A Crabbett Arabian is an Arabian who can trace his bloodlines back to here
Crabbet Stud was founded in 1878 in Sussex, England, by Wilfrid and Lady Anne Blunt. It was continued by the Blunt daughter, Judith, the famous Lady Wentworth. The stud's final owner was Cecil Covey. Crabbet Stud closed in 1971 after some 93 years of world renowned greatness.
A 100% Crabbet pedigree means that the pedigree traces in all lines to Arabians which were:
1)Purchased and owned by Crabbet:
2) Arabians bred by others which passed through the hands of Crabbet without being bred from by Crabbet:
3)Any purebred Arabian bred by Crabbet Stud, from any of the bloodlines used by that stud, between the years 1878 to 1971.
For your last question I would guess that the horse's head is 75% of its mature size when a horse is born.
Vermontcat,
Very good with the Crabbet Arabian. I love that and the Egyptian sources. Course I am an Arab fanatic, been around them nearly all my life.
BUT, you didn't get the Quarter Horse or the body part question right. Any other guesses? :D :cool:
BTW this is my 75% Crabbet gelding Parazon:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...0/fc8122d6.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fc8122db.jpg
hmm, I guess I need to do some more research, maybe someone else wants to guess.
I will try one more guess on the body part question, is it the legs? Foals always have long legs.
I love the photos of your horse, he is beautiful.
:)
Very close on the body part answer. It is a particular part of the leg.;)
Thank you for the compliment. Zon is an angel in horse skin, as you can tell I am sure with how he is with my 8 year old daughter.
Keep working on the Quarter Horse question. ;)
EquineB, here are a couple of links to info on the Quarter Horses
http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/quar.html#history
http://meme.essortment.com/quarterhorsesh_raga.htm
Were you looking for the original breeds that mixed to become the Quarter Horse or the founding sires names or what?
From these links you can see why I guessed they came from Turks, Barbs and Arabs but they also mixed with Spanish, Arabians, Morgans and Standardbred.
I am sorry! :rolleyes: While the mustang ancenstory of barbs and turks may be correct, my one track mind was only thinking of ONE breed that contributed to the Quarter Horse, primarily. Here are a couple things that got that trivia in my head:
From the American Morgan Horse Association site:
The Quarter horse stallion Joe Bailey was a son of Headlight Morgan. Jubilee King, a famous Morgan, was also registered under the Quarter Horse name of Yellow Jacket. Yet another well-known Quarter Horse sire, Joe Hancock, was sired by Redolent, a son of the Morgan Red Oak. In 1920 the King Ranch of Kingsville, Texas, purchased the two-year-old colt Lucky from the U.S. Government Farm for the purpose of upgrading the stock horses they were breeding. Countless Morgan mares were purchased from farms in Illinois and turned out on the range in the King Ranch remuda but can not be identified as the offspring they produced where shown as being out of “Morgan Mare” in the original AQHA registry books.
And here is a link to a great article on the Morgan influence in the Quarter horse breed.
Justin Morgan's Contribution to the Quarter Horse
Let's see, would that be one of the pastern bones? Short or long? :confused: And didn't the Thoroughbred contribute to the Quarter Horse?? :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by Equinebehaviorist
Very close on the body part answer. It is a particular part of the leg.;)
Ok people, I am going to post some more questions. I think I am going to stick with the breed guessing for a couple of posts.
Breed 1:
* Stands between 15.2 and 16.2hh
* Primarily used as a carrige horse
* Blood type: warm
* Influences are the Norfolk Roadster, Oldenburg, and Arabian
* Comes from Europe.
Breed 2:
* Draft breed
* Native to France
* Used as a warhorse in the 14th century
* Stands between 15.3 and 16.3hh
* Blood type: cold
Breed 3:
* Native to Argentina
* Originated from Spanish stock brought to South America in the 16th century.
* Claimed to be the toughest, soundest horse in the world due to its Spanish ancestry.
* Stands between 14 and 15hh.
Good luck!! :D :D
Yup, the pastern itself is supposedly 75% the length it will be with the horse is full grown.
The Thoroughbred, to my knowledge, has only contributed to the modern, aka Apendix, QH. Don't know about the old style, original QH.
Have to think about those breeds.....
I know nbr 2!! Percheron, right? I used to have one of them babies and trained two others for someone last summer.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fc80fe1c.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...3/fc8122da.jpg
Y.L.L.
You sure come up with some good ones!!!!!!;) :) :D
Nope, its not. This one is a tricky one, just like the other two. :D :p :DQuote:
Originally posted by Equinebehaviorist
I know nbr 2!! Percheron, right? I used to have one of them babies and trained two others for someone last summer.
Beautiful horse! Is that your daughter in that picture? My great aunt and uncle used to have 8 Belgians, but she had to sell them, for they are seniors (lol) and it was hard for them to care for the horses. One of them smashed her foot by stepping on it. :eek:
Thanks!! :DQuote:
Y.L.L. You sure come up with some good ones!!!!!!
Here are a couple of answers for you YLL.
Is breed 2 the Breton?
I am pretty sure that breed 3 is the Argentine Criollo.
http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/images/cr1x.jpg
EquineB, I know quite a bit about the AMHA.(it is here in Vermont)
I will send you a PM later tonight.:)
No, I am sorry but breed 2 is not the Brenton. However, you are correct with breed 3- it is the Criollo!! Yipee! :D :DQuote:
Originally posted by Vermontcat
Here are a couple of answers for you YLL.
Is breed 2 the Breton?
I am pretty sure that breed 3 is the Argentine Criollo.
Yay! I got one right!:)
I have no clue on the first one and I ran out of ideas for the 2nd one, I hope someone else can guess them.
Should I just post the answers now, or should I wait awhile? I think just about everyone has taken a shot at it already. :)
One more shot at the Draft (nbr2): Ardennes?
Yes, that is my daughter, then 7, in the pic with him. If you look really hard, you can see another gelding in the stall behind Odin. It was so fun having these guys this last summer.
OUCH! with the foot. Us hardy youngsters would have a hard time with that, I can't imagine an elder dealing with that!:eek:
Alrighty, here are the answers. Breed two is a Boulonnais, and breed one is a Gelderlander.
This is a picture of a Boulonnais:
http://home.foni.net/~nando-xx/Draft/boulonnais.jpg
This is a picture of a Gelderlander:
http://www.hevosmaailma.net/Photos/E...lderlander.jpg
I love the first picture!! I love drafties!!
The Boulonnais was my next guess, but I thought the Ardennes had more references towards being a military horse. Guess I can't win them all, huh?:rolleyes: :D
That Warmblood is a good looking horse!
Hey Vermontcat, sent you a PM.:cool:
Okay, here is one from my experience and point of view. Why does the web halter promote pulling when tied, dragging of the handler, and general disobiedience? :D
Kentucky Derby Festival
Time of year Held?
location?
Year Started?
*First Sunday in May
*ChurchHill Downs, Louisville Kentucky (been there :D)
*Started in 1864 (?)
Equine- I have no clue about web halters...I have never worked with one before. So, I will let someone else answer about that. I can't wait to see the answer, it sounds neat to me. :) :D
You know what, I am in a giant Kentucky Horse Park festive mood, since I will be going there soon. So, I will post some trivia about the Kentucky Horse Park.
*Name 5 famous horses that live at the KHP.
* How many acres is the KHP on, how many miles of fencing is there?
* The economic impact of the KHP has reached $________ annually.
* Over __(#) people visit the KHP annually.
* Over __ (#)different breeds can be seen at the KHP.
I know they aren't the toughest, lol, but oh well. I think they are kind of neat. :p
you were correct on the 1st two. The last question The year was 1956 ( Thats when they started the festival)Quote:
Originally posted by YellowLabLover
*First Sunday in May
*ChurchHill Downs, Louisville Kentucky (been there :D)
*Started in 1864 (?)
when I am talking about web halters, I mean everyday common halters which are made of web. Leather halters can be included in this "catagory" since though they are made of a different material, they are the same design.
http://www.valleyvet.com/swatches/co..._L_017_000.jpg
Equine, I am not sure about the web halters either unless it has something to do with the lead rope being attached under the chin and having less control than a bridle with a bit?
I have a couple of answers for you YLL,
The Kentucky Horse Park has 1200 acres and 30 miles of fence.
There are almost 50 different breeds of horses there.
It sounds like a cool place to visit, I wish I lived closer so I could visit. When are you going there? You better take lots of pictures!:)
Vermontcat, I am going there during spring break, which is in a couple of weeks. Yippee! Don't worry- I will take tons of pictures, and I plan on posting some of them on Pet Talk. :D We are also going to a horse ranch during spring break, in Tennessee. Oh yeah, your answers are correct, by the way.
Click here if you want to see the horse ranch website. :)
Equine- doesn't a web halter break easier than a leather hatler? I remember at horse camp, horses were breaking them left and right.
Okay, here we go. YLL, you are on the right track. Both web and leather halters break easily, considering that you have such strength and weight on them when a tied horse pulls. But ever thought of why they pull in the first place?
Horses by nature are claustiphobic, and being "confined" by their halters, by their heads is scary business, especially if something else makes them really want to get out of there! And once they learn those things won't hold them, they try again and again. Web and leather halters, by design, cradle the head, much like a harness, which is for a horse to PULL with, cradles the body. Horses are inclined to lean into pressure rather than move away from it. They have to be taught to move away from pressure, like leg, bit, and even hand pressure (ever notice when you NEED him to move over he pushes back into you? :eek: ) To give you an idea of how this feels to the horse, have someone lay a flat hand on your arm and push. You want to push back into it don't you. And it isn't too hard to do it, especially if you are stronger. So.....
The solution? Use hand-tied rope halters!
http://www.halterlady.com/images/GamHalter.jpg
*IMPORTANT* Don't confuse a rope halter with a Be-Nice halter. These things clamp down on the head and can cause severe damage to the nerves at the poll! Nasty things!
http://www.lonetreetack.com/tack/bnice2.jpg
To again show you by example, have your same friend put a finger on your arm instead and push. First, before they push, the finger is light, barely noticeable compared to the hand, right? Then when the pressure comes, it is irritating and you certainly want to move away to stop the pressure. This is how the rope halter works. 5mm rope works best, as thicker rope just brings you back to a web halter effect of cradling the head. An added bonus, the rope halters, when made of appropriate rope and tied properly will not break. I have cured Percherons of pulling with rope halters.
Now, this carries through with tying, leading, lounging, even riding, if you are using a halter instead of a bridle. Once you learn how to correctly use a rope halter, you will never need a chain again to control your headstrong, unfocused horse who leads you, or worse, pushes over you, or drags you when you lounge. And any horse I start undersaddle I use the rope halter instead of a bridle, since they already know, respect and understand the feel of it. One less thing for them to figure out when I get up there!:D
yellowlablover, that is a great site. thanks, I just emailed them with a few questions. thanks again
Equine- OH OK...now I get it. LOL! Sorry, sometimes I am a little slow. The camp director at the summer camp I go to,used those hand-tied halters on his horses...now I know why he used them. :D Is that one of your horses? Or a clients?
Oodles- no problem! I am so excited, I can't wait to go there!
Here are some new questions:
* What is a twitch? Where is it used? What does it do/why do you use it?
* Name 15 breeds from the United States
* What is the purpose of a roller-mouth snaffle?
* What is the purpose of a breaking snaffle?
* What is a galvayne's groove?
* What is a loathed shoulder?
* What is a parrot mouth?
Ok...that is more than enough. LOL.
My Mom and I went to the local farm store, Farm N Fleet, and I was drooling over their Weaver western tack. Oh...it is so gorgeous! And so expensive! I stand in the horse isles for hours, lol, I love to sniff all the horsey shampoo, hehe. There is one that smells like wintergreen, oooooooo, do I love it!
I have been meaning to save up some of my money to buy some saddle pads, halter, grooming tack, etc. to donate it to Camp Anokijig...they need it really bad- but I don't have the money. :( I am waiting to see if there are going to be any sales at all, then maybe I can buy something. :( :( /:)
Nope, neither. Got the pic off a site so I could clearly show the halter. The pics I have don't show it as well.Quote:
Is that one of your horses? Or a clients?
Twitch is a common name for several devices or techniques used to subdue a horse in stressful situations such as clipping or giving medical attention. One place it can be used is on the nose, upper lip specifically with clamp like device, a cord formed into a loop coupled with a stick to twist the loop tight around the lip, or a ( :eek: ) chain loop at the end of a stick used in the same fashion. There are several other types of twitches, any one want to name them?Quote:
* What is a twitch? Where is it used? What does it do/why do you use it?
Morgan, Morab, Quarter Horse, Appaloosa, Mustang, Missouri Fox Trotter, Tennessee Walker, Saddlebred, Rocky Mountian Horse, Standardbred, Cleaveland Bay, Colorado Ranger, American Bashkir Curly, American Cream, PaintQuote:
*Name 15 breeds from the United States
The roller mouth can have several purposes: 1)the roller acts as a toy for the horse to find comfort in fiddling with, 2) the roller lifts up onto the soft palate when the reins are engaged and creates a greater degree of discomfort which to some = a greater degree of control, 3) if the roller is copper, which it often is, the combination of the steel mouth peices and the copper roller help encourage salivation which in turn encourages a softer mouth.Quote:
* What is the purpose of a roller-mouth snaffle?
I will leave some for others to answer....Vermontcat?;)Quote:
* What is the purpose of a breaking snaffle?
* What is a galvayne's groove?
* What is a loathed shoulder?
* What is a parrot mouth?
Hey, found these pics of the Fresian that I trained last summer. I know everyone loves these guys. I felt so privilaged to have him with me! It was sureal, stuff dreams are made of!
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...8/fc780c89.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...8/fc780c8a.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...8/fc780c8b.jpg
A twitch releases endorphins (sp?) which calms the horse down. When we used them on the horses at camp, they almost fell asleep because it calmed them down so much. This is what the twitch looked like that we used:
http://www.statelinetack.com/images/...t/in180186.jpg
Other breeds from the United States:
-American Shetland
-Palomino
-Rocky Mountain Pony
-Chincoteague/Assateague
-Sable Island
-Pony of the Americas
-American Minature Horse
Types of twitches:
-Humane twitch
-Chain-end twitch
-Flat handle
New question:
What is this? What is its purpose?
http://harltons.com/images/conrad.gif
Equine, I love the pics of the Fresian, they are a beautiful breed.:)
Ok YLL., a couple more answers for you
A Galvayne groove is a groove in the horses tooth that helps you tell the age of the horse.
A parrot-mouth is an overbite, when the upper teeth stick out over the lower teeth, the teeth will not have a normal wear pattern making it difficult or impossible to tell the age of the horse.
That last photo is of something an Equine Dentist would use to hold the mouth open, I think it begins with an S, I can't remember the name.
Vermontcat- 100% :D
Boy,I missed a few good questions!!!!
had to work...:(...inventory week:(....
;) :)