:p I WANT THE PBGB OR THE AKITA TO TAKE THE BEST IN SHOW....I CANT STAND POODLES AND SINCE MY BREED DIDNT MAKE IT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE OF THE TWO I MENTIONED ABOVE TO TAKE IT.KEEPING MY FINGERS CROSSED :p
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:p I WANT THE PBGB OR THE AKITA TO TAKE THE BEST IN SHOW....I CANT STAND POODLES AND SINCE MY BREED DIDNT MAKE IT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE OF THE TWO I MENTIONED ABOVE TO TAKE IT.KEEPING MY FINGERS CROSSED :p
James (English Springer) or Bouvier, here.
I think the show cut does a lot to pull back the poodle. Wish they would get rid of that.
But then, I wish they would do away with docking (ears, tails, etc) too.
ALL 7 ARE BEAUTIFUL- AND REMEMBER- WE ARE NOT THE ones that get their hands on the dog to judge... ( I like the standard poodle.. that dog just shines!!)
the PBGV is GORGEOUS, i wouldnt be a bit surprised if he won... im rooting for the English Springer Spaniel too, love him!
or the akita- or... lol..
Gah i LOOOVE James, i hope he wins, ive admired that boy for quite some time! But i guess its anyones race at this point..
JAMES!!!!!
Woo hoo!! LOOVE that boy!! :D
Who needs football when you have a dog show LMAO ;) *woot woot* :)
YAY HE IS GORGEUOS(sp?) EVEN THOUGH I REALLY WANTED THE AKITA TO WIN......MAYBE NEXT YR
omg!!! James!!! What A Beautiful Dog!!!!!!!!!
Do all German Shepherd Dogs have back legs that are angular like that, I never realized that before. Why is it a German Shepherd Dog, and not a German Shepherd, I wonder?
One more question, when they say a dog's ears are cropped or tail docked - is that necessary for judging, or can you leave it?
I didn't pick the winner (I was rooting for the PBGV or the Bouvier) -- But it was a lot of fun to watch! They were all so different from each other!
Cassie's Mom, each breed has a written standard, developed by the club for that breed. And yes, the standard for many requires docking, tail, ears or both.
This is the standard for the bichon.
http://www.bichon.org/akc.htm
You can google the breed name and standard and find the one you are thinking about. The Boston terrier has this standard:
http://www.bostonterrierclubofameric...dStandard.html
As you read through it, it says the ears must be erect, either naturally or docked.
And the standard varies based on which kennel club you are competeing in. AKC; UKC, CKC, and then all the other countries.
Congratulations, James and Kellie! (I believe that was her name) They both did great!
I gotta say, I think I loved watching the hound group the most. :D
*watching it on the internet* hehehe. I *think* I can tell which one's Kalarney... haha the names weren't on it... He's white and fawn splotches... Oh, I can't tell... They're all so cute!!!
And the greyhounds were adorable!!!! I didn't know they had such long tails :eek: I knew they were long... but not THAT long!!! wowzers! Gorgeous though... They're so pretty... praceing in circles... awwwwww!!!
Kalarney didnt make the show ( kicking dirt clods) but Huntsman was there- and he is almost as pretty.. He sure did show well!!! I loved how they focused on the borzois right before the hounds. There were 27 Borzois!
:o I never would have known if you hadn't pointed it out... lol. They were all white and splotched. (except for the odd one) I don't know which one the one you mentioned was... the names aren't on the internet tapes. *KDC* I liked the hottie coloured ones :p :D
pssst: check your PMs ;)
Hotties color is the most common, and even knowing the dogs, sometimes its hard to tell at first glance. Most of the dogs I would recognize- but I know who is showing the breed- it would be hard for someone not showing in the breed.. The one I think you are talking about as different is a self black.
Well, my opinion is that once you get to the Best of Show judging at Westminster, you are a sterling example of what your breed should be. So I always make my pick based on who is showing best in the ring at that time. Who is asking the judge to pick him. I completely agreed with the judge. James definitely asked to be picked last night. He was definitely "on." :) Congratulations James!
James is a beautiful dog and a real showman!!!
I voted for the PBGB (I think that's what they call it - shounds like heebee jibee's :D ). But at one point I saw James and I thought "what a beautiful dog". I'm glad he won. He was on Today this morning and he was pooped. He's had a busy past few days. :)
its actually PBGV-Petite Basset Griffon Vendeen;)Quote:
Originally Posted by elizabethann
CONGRATULATIONS BEAUTIFUL JAMES!!! What a gorgeous boy he is. I didn't envy the doctor making the choice. It had to be next to impossible for him. I thought the Poodles were just illustrious. Both of them. I liked all the dogs but James was a good choice. :)
Oh no Westminster is over:( And it was such a great year too:D My favorite of last nights was the Borzoi...which was stunningly beautiful, and the German Shepherd! I loved that German Shepherd.
I hope someday that the Wippet Vivi is found.
One more question - dog people, I hope you don't mind :)
The announcer said that two of the three poodle categories were in the Best in Show judging. They're each in a different group. I noticed that their coats were groomed the same way. Is that a special grooming they get for shows? It's so elaborate. I wonder why they're groomed that way, does it allow the judge to see characteristics of the dog better? I only know one person who has a poodle, and he came from a shelter so he's probably a random breed. She couldn't tell me why the purebred poodles are groomed in that style. Her dog just gets a basic treatment for pets at the groomer. (He still looks cute to me!)
thanks,
elyse
Diamond Jim glitters at show
Certified therapy dog beats Cosby entry, takes top honors at Westminster event
By Ben Walker
The Associated Press
February 13, 2007, 11:45 PM CST
NEW YORK -- An English springer spaniel with a preference for chicken-and-garlic treats prevented America's top dog event from turning into "The Cosby Show."
Diamond Jim jumped into handler Kellie Fitzgerald's arms after being chosen Best in Show on Tuesday night at the Westminster Kennel Club.
Dressed in a glittering copper top that perfectly matched her brown-and-white pet, Fitzgerald cuddled the 6-year-old certified therapy dog.
"I'm over the moon," she said.
Diamond Jim beat out a Dandie Dinmont terrier co-owned by entertainer Bill Cosby, as he did at the big AKC/Eukanuba event in December. The springer was the nation's No. 2 show dog last year behind Cosby's entry. Fitzgerald also repeated, having won it all at Westminster in 2000.
"Bill Cosby and I are good friends," she said. "We're both competitive. We both wanted to win."
Cosby's run of bad luck on the green carpet at Madison Square Garden continued. He'd lost with several top dogs in the past and avoided coming this time to stave off the jinx.
Judge Robert Indeglia said he wished he had ribbons to give to all seven final contenders. Yet with only one top prize, he pointed to Diamond Jim.
Diamond Jim beat out the Dandie Dinmont, a pair of poodles and a Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen, plus an Akita and a Bouviers des Flandres that pitted a husband and wife against each other. Larry Fenner handled the Bouviers and Laurie Jordan-Fenner guided the Akita.
With a few dogs barking and baying backstage, Diamond Jim was chosen out of the overall 2,628 entries in 165 breeds and varieties.
The dog, commonly called James, earned more than the silver bowl trophy—he also got to chow down. Fitzgerald said he didn't eat before the show. Once it was over, he snacked on goodies that fell on the floor.
This was his 51st Best in Show victory, and his last. He's retiring from the show world to live the life of a therapy and obedience dog. He's already worked with Alzheimer's patients.
Fitzgerald said James' win illustrated that Westminster is more than a beauty pageant for primped and pampered pooches.
"They're working dogs," she said. "He's not going to be just a couch potato."
This was the 100th time that Best in Show was presented at Westminster, and the sixth time that an English springer spaniel won.
Copyright © 2007, The Associated Press
Per the Akc "(b) Clip-- A Poodle under 12 months may be shown in the "Puppy" clip. In all regular classes, Poodles 12 months or over must be shown in the "English Saddle" or "Continental" clip. In the Stud Dog and Brood Bitch classes and in a non-competitive Parade of Champions, Poodles may be shown in the "Sporting" clip. A Poodle shown in any other type of clip shall be disqualified".. And here is the akc link http://www.akc.org/breeds/poodle/index.cfmQuote:
Originally Posted by cassiesmom
the original poodle clip was to protect vital organs, the chest part covers the rib cage, the head part covers..well the head lol the puff on the feet protect the joints, the rosetts protect the kidneys and the tail was some sort of joke or something lol the origianl though was nothing like what you see in the show ring, the orginal was not bald in any area, there was a light laying all over and the area's that were protected were just cut a little thicker. what you see in the show ring today would never in a million years hold up to working conditions, and it is purley for looks.
Poodle Did You Know?
The denominations Standard, Miniature, and Toy are used to describe size only. All the Poodles are one breed, governed by the same standard. (I did because the commentator said that. :) )
The Toy Poodle is known for superior intelligence and exceptional learning ability. (No, I didn't!)
The Poodle clip is not merely decorative (though it may seem that way now); it is in fact a necessary clip meant to protect the joints and vital organs in cold water. (Thank you borzoimom and cali, I do now!)
The Toy Poodle achieved great popularity in France and was known worldwide as a "trick dog." They were court favorites during the reign of Louis XVI and Queen Anne. (No, I didn't!)
The Toy Poodle, like all Poodles, possesses wonderful swimming ability; the coat is adapted to water, and will cord if left to grow naturally. (Didn't know that either!)
Grover Cleveland owned a Poodle (although some reports say it was a Pekingese). (I know that many dogs have lived at the White House.)
Interesting little facts on Westminster http://www.nbc4.com/family/10922166/detail.html
And " Dog Show 101" http://www.nbc4.com/family/10903773/detail.html and this one was good too- " Want a show dog?".. http://www.nbc4.com/family/10974927/detail.html
Hey, did any of you catch the comment re the borzoi who made it to the group level - loves his Starbucks latte!!!
Yea- and " I would like to see how tall that dog is on his back feet..." lol..(btw- Hottie is just as tall- and Zubin is a little taller..lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
The show was AMAZING!
I met and photographed a lot of the dogs. Also got my picture taken with a few :D
As for the question regarding GSDs, American lines tend to have more exagerated angulation than other lines. American lines breed for looks rather than utility. They have strayed far from the original SV standard. German lines tend to stick closer to Von Stephanitz original idea of the German Shepherd. Though the German Showlines are starting to turn out like the American lines. In German Working Lines you won't find a lot of angulation (which is prefered).
Hope that made sense.
I took over 300 pictures. Expect to see pictures and video clips tomorrow! :D
those porr GSDs made me sad, I noticed in the video one even fell over on the go around, and the one that took BB bunny hopped the down and back. then when they were taking the pics the one had to sit, he looked like he could not hold up his rear, and that AOM winners rear legs were wobbling all over the place, they finally had to spary something on her feet to help keep them steady :( I couldnt belive those handlers and owners were actually PROUD of this :(
Yes, Im not fond of the American lines at all. I dont find them very appealing. That Geneva (The one that won out of the GSDs- Bred by James Moses, Kaleef dogs) is not a very pretty dog at all. A lot of people find her "stunning" but I find her quite the opposite. However, the GSD that placed second, Ch Rowland's Cezanne Of Imp-Cen, was gorgeous!. I had the pleasure of meeting him and I'm in love! :D
Jimmy Moses is a wonderful man!!! I know him well..
He does seem like a good man. From what I've read. Lol. I was actually hoping to meet him, but didn't see him when I was hanging around the GSD ring.
A friend of mine's sister won BOB with her Bouviers des Flandres as well as 1st place in the group ring.
http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org...DL91292602.jpg
http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org...DL91292602.jpg
Ch Ace's Indelible Mark HT
Travis- you were seeing a show quality shepherd. They are different than your dog- sloping lay back ( the shoulder) flat muzzle like a wedge- deeper angulation with powerful hips, sloping top line for agiile back etc. Your baby is beautiful - but not show quality.. The shepherd should have the ability to just run or easily with powerful hind quarters and fluid back to clear a 6 foot or more obstacle...Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis_gsd27
I know its a different look than what you look at daily- but look at what is supposed to be in the breed- including the length of the back as a almost fluid working machine of motion.. I am sure you were quite surprised- but what you criticized is more what the breed is.. The breed has a serious form to function...
I am fully aware of the differences between the different lines.
I still do not care for the American Showlines. I'm more into the working dogs, the ones that stay true or as close as possible to Von Stephanitz original plan for the Ultimate working dog. These showline dogs purely breed for Looks...which makes sense because they are Show dogs. They are perfect for what they were bred for...Showing. I wasn't questioning that, I was stating facts that I have learned from numerous breeders and others who work with the breed. As well as the countless hours of research I have put into the breed.
I also know that Travis isn't show quality. Nor do I want him to be. He resembles the working lines more (though I'm not sure of his exact lines, but Im pretty sure it is a mix of different lines).
I was simply answering the question about the angulation. American lines (and sometimes German Show lines) have extreme angulation. (Though that is not the case with all Showlines ofcourse). Working lines have very little angulation.
Don't mean to start an argument or debate, just trying to clear up my post. ;)
ETA- Reread your post, The breed wasn't meant to have that extreme angulation though. No where in the original standard or any standard do I see that they were meant to be bred with that exagerated, over the top angulation.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say?
Mine were the top working lines in the US as well... Here is midas. one of the photos I have I use the most but as Dr.goodnow can tell you- tops he may be- there were many after and before him out of my lines. I had some of the top SCh111 etc and working shepherds in the country... And all looked the same...Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis_gsd27