"One nation UNDER GOD" banned?

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Originally posted by 2kitties
Pops, my mistake. I realize the Muhammad is a prophet. What is God called in Islam? Allah? You'll have to educate me. But the point stays the same and I think you understood my point, Pops.

Amber, I will explain for you what I mean. If the pledge referred to a religion that is not your own, would you still feel the same way? That is what I'm trying to say.

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Yeah we call God *Allah*, but that is just the Arabic word for *God*. Talk to an Arab Christian........they call God *Allah* too. :p

I did understand your point, but I pointed it out because you can't compare a prophet to God, and a nation can't be *under* a prophet........know what I mean? :p

Johanna.......you just made me laugh. Why? Because that just reminded me of so many Atheists that are constantly saying *OMG*, *GD it*, and *go to H***...............why do they say *God* in those phrases, when they don't believe in God? If they have a problem saying *God* in the pledge, then they should have a problem using those phrases too. He he.

Excellent point, PCB!!!! :)

We pledge the allegiance TO THE FLAG... of the United States of America.

Not to the religions of the United States. We're pledging to our flag, not to God. So, why is he/she/whatever incoorperated?


With that said, I don't believe in "God", and have no problem with those who do (as long as they don't force their beliefs on me.) I wouldn't call myself Atheist, I wouldn't call myself anything. I just don't believe in a god nor do I have a different opinion of those who do. I've said MANY prayers before dinnertime with family, and friends of the family, since I can remember.


No "atheist" unfortunately would be able to survive if they denied money. No one in this world can survive without it. And more than likey I wouldn't have half of the stuff I do if I didn't accept it.


To me, it's merely words on a piece of paper.

The pledge though, I don't care whether it says "under God", I see it as pledging our flag (as it states) I see it as pledging our country. Which, it would make sense to change the words or take them out completely since not everyone in our country believes in god, and certainly not everyone lives under god. Maybe Freedom would be a better choice of words. Our flag stands for freedom, our country stands for freedom, and the pledge stands for our country.

Kfamr,

BRAVO, BRAVO.....Excellent post. :)

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want to enact a law that FINES the person, automatically (as who could monitor it?) everytime this person says, "OMG", "GD* it", or "go to H***", etc....he he he...

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Being a bit literal aren't we...;) Just because I call someone an SOB or suggest they perform an act on themselves that would be difficult if not impossible (not that I say either of those things of course...;) ) doesn't really mean I think they were born of a dog or are extremely agile and flexible!:D :)

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Originally posted by popcornbird
Johanna.......you just made me laugh. Why? Because that just reminded me of so many Atheists that are constantly saying *OMG*, *GD it*, and *go to H***...............why do they say *God* in those phrases, when they don't believe in God? If they have a problem saying *God* in the pledge, then they should have a problem using those phrases too. He he.

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Actually, when I'm really exasperated I tend so sigh and say "oh Goddess..." ^_^

I say "Oh Geez"
or "Oh My Gee"
or "G'D--- it"

Which, I don't know what Gosh, Gee, or G' stand for... but they're just phrases to me.

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Originally posted by lizbud
Kfamr,

BRAVO, BRAVO.....Excellent post. :)

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Ditto. :) Ya said everything I feel kiddo. :D

I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands
One Nation
Under FREEDOM
Indevisable
With Liberty and Justice
For All.

Ohhh.. I love it. That's what I'll say instead of omitting it. :)

Right Kay. We are saying it to the flag, and not religion.

good point!



I usually say Gosh, because we shouldnt use God's name in vain.