Banning docking of tails......in nz....

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It is rude and condescending. If you were having a conversation with someone in person, would you roll your eyes like that at them when they said something you didn't agree with?

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Oh, exactly, it is much different here, but I have not shown any disrespect because just because I am not speaking to you all in person, doesnt mean Im going to be rude, I respect everyones opinions, they have a right to think and believe whatever they want, as other people aren't as open minded.

Also GSDgurl, thanks for agreeing ;) And I know alot of people will say "NO spaying and neutering isn't cruel because its for reasons" but docking are for reasons, and even if cropping is usually/always for cosmetic reasons, its the same as plastic surgery, peircings, tattoos...etc, and all that stuff is for looks and isnt considered cruel to us, and we all heal from all of those things, and are happy, so theres not a HUGE difference except with those things its our choice, and the dogs dont get a choice, but how do you know the dogs wouldnt rather have standing ears? ;) :D

Well, about ear croping and tail docking...

I think for show dogs tail docking is OK...But I think those dobies and great danes , for example, look better without croped ears...

I don´t think docking and croping tails and ears isn´t cruel..

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Originally posted by GSDgurl
Golden- Everything that causes pain is not cruel.....if you think pain is cruel......don't you think spaying and neutering your dog is pain??

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No, that's not what I'm saying
Like I said before tail docking and ear cropping is done for looks. If it was done for the purpose of health issues (which have not been proven) then I can understand. Spaying and Neutering is done to decrease the population, so less dogs and cats end up in shelters. It's also been proven to expand the life of the animal, by decreasing the risk of cancers. So, it is done for health reasons, and for the care of the animal. (dog)

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You know I always thought cocker spaniels and dobermans were born that way, I never knew their tails were docked, naive I know, but honestly thats the truth.

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LOL ... don't feel bad. I had a customer once who thought Scottish terriers (Scotties) were just born looking how they do for dog shows, she had no idea you had to get them groomed.

She brought her dog in so I could look at it, because she thought the breeder sold her a furry black mutt, and called it a Scotty, and she wanted me to back her up when she tried to get her money back.

I told her that he looked like a purebred to me, but of course it was hard to tell for sure until he was groomed. She gave me the funniest look and said, "You groom them?" She felt SO stupid. LOL

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I also believe anything to do with docking, cropping, dewclaw removing, n' lets go ahead n' say fixing your dog to.....since it does cause pain to your animal. Should be sent to the "Doghouse"

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Well, I have to disagree with that. Most of us ... say 99% of us ... can have a debate about these potentially controversial subjects, and not have it turn into an argument. There's always one or two people, however, that have to turn threads like this one - no, actually any thread - into a petty argument. That doesn't mean, IMO, that every thread that one or two people start an immature argument in needs to go to the Doghouse. I think we all just need to start being more assertive and saying, "Hey. Stop it. We had a good, open, friendly debate going here until you came in and tried to turn it into a petty fight." Just MHO.

There's nothing wrong with debate. Debate is how you learn. Debate is also open-minded, and fun. Debate means making a statement only when you have relevant facts to contribute. Argument, on the other hand, is replying to every single post you don't agree with, whether you have any new useful information to contribute or not. Argument is saying, repeatedly, "I don't agree. You are wrong. If you don't have the same opinion as me, then you must be mean/cruel/stupid, whatever". (Obviously not in so many words, but always implied well enough to hurt feelings or infuriate.) Argument is also being snotty, mean or sarcastic - while debate is being calm and factual.

You can correct someone's facts, if they are wrong, or contribute new facts, and that is debate. But you can never, ever correct someone's opinion, because opinion is not "right" or "wrong", and can't be corrected. Trying to change or correct someone's opinion is one sure mark of a petty argument just for the sake of argument.

I did not start this thread so that some people could start an argument with each other, nor do I see any reason for it to be shifted to the Dog House..

My main purpose was to tell you all who own dogs, what is happening in my country and to get opinions from you all, I thought maybe some of you might just be interested ,and I really do not know much about it, so please donot feel the need to personally attack anyone, we all differ on this subject, and I wanted this to be a healthy debate, that's all.

If this turns nasty I will feel it best to delete it, but I don't wish to do that, as it's interesting to hear everyone's point's of views, and as for the roll you eyes emoticon, I have NEVER EVER used it in the almost one year I have been here, and I never will, I donot find it necessary to use it to get my point across.