Please Take Him Home

My personal opinion is that you should explore a few more options before rushing him to micki so fast. Even though he isn't housetrained, he could still be fostered and rehomed. If KayAnn is willing and able to offer her home as a foster, I would take her up on that offer. It will save Chance from a lot of stress on the airplane.

Meanwhile, I would be visiiting him every day and giving him some outdoor stimulation. Dogs go kennel crazy a lot and it is good that you're catching it early. He is completely redeemable and everything will work out.

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Originally posted by Cinder & Smoke
First -
He's NOT in any great danger of being put down in the near term! :)

She did not, could not and won't make any "guarantees"...

He's Scheduled to be Featured on Channel 8 TV on December 5th.
He *DID* appear on TV-8

He's going to be one of the Featured Dogs & Cats on a local radio show.
THREE Stations - TODAY (Dec 10th)

AND he'll go "OUT" to a "Remote Adoption Event"
He *WENT* on Sat - Dec 6 - No Takers :(

That said, she told me he DOES have some "issues" that
must be taken into consideration...

He's a SUPER FRIENDLY / Wiggle Butt of a dog with every
Human he meets;
but not quite so friendy with other Dogs... :(
She said he's an Alpha Personality with other Dogs -
if the other submits to him - he's Mr. Personality with the Wiggley Butt.
But he can't stand another Alpha Dog!

The Shelter will insist that he be an ONLY Dog;
"Cats" are an unknown...

The only *unknown* about how long he can stay in the Shelter is
*IF* he becomes "kennel crazy"...

He *IS* developing "Kennel Problems" -
more below...

IF Chance develops "issues" that would suggest he be euthanized;
PAT will KNOW it enough in advance that Val can be advised to
finalize a Backup Plan and we can execute it.

/s/ Phred @ 4:30 Wednesday (NOVEMBER 26)

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THURSDAY Dec 10 - NOON UppyDate...

I just had a *LONG* talk with Pat at ****** SPCA ~

"Problems" are starting...
Mr. Chance is starting to act up when alone in his kennel...
Nervous, agitated, pacing, etc when alone in his kennel.
Pat said she just found out today from Valerie that Chance
started Biting His Tail when alone at his previous refuge -
"**** *****".

This is NOT good - and Pat said she will not let
him start to self-mutilate hinself!

He *IS* on the Volunteer "High Priority List" =
HE gets more Volunteer Time than most of the other dogs -
Walks and Play Time outside.
They have NOT foud a "roomie" for him...
but he is put on one side of a common run and other dogs are
allowed to interact with him through the fence.
Pat says he gets LOTS of exercise chasing along the run...
and is much "calmer" when he gets back in his run after these interactions.

Bottom Lines -
He's "OK" for now - Pat wants to see what his Media Exposure brings
in - too soon to tell if an Adopter will come foreward.

BIG Worry is his attitude and reaction to further confinement...
We have a Red Flag Problem if he becomes self-distructive.

Pat will talk to the Volunteers to see if one is willing to Foster
him - but she has already tried...
Problem is ALL the Volunteers already HAVE pets -
and "Alpha" Chance won't fit into their homes. :(

There are NO "Mixed Breed" Rescues near *****, Florida.

Pat will give MY name & phone # to a Volunteer -
*Hopefully* he/she will call me if Chance develops
a serious problem.

PLAN "B" ~
We need to face reality...
Chance may have to be "pulled" from the SPCA.

Pat will bend over backwards...
Instead of $75 for an adoption...
She'll sneak him out the door for a "Rescue Fee"
of only $35 + $5 Rabies Tag. (Thanks, Pat!!)

He WILL NEED a "Vet's Health Certificate" to be able to "Fly".
Pat gave me two Friendly Vets to contact...
The less expensive one wants $28 for the Exam & Certificate...
and will Do It on short notice.
Hours = 8-5 daily; 8-Noon on Sats.

Destination = ???????

Micki ~~
Are you still "game" for Chance??
PLEASE RE-read his Alphe Issues (above)!

The Closest Major Airport is TAMPA, Florida.
That's a 45 minute drive trip from *******.

WHAT Major Airport is Wylie, TX near??

Can you get a LIST of Airlines that fly INTO your
TX airport from TAMPA???
With an Airline List I can contact the airlines to check prices
and their "RULES" for K-9 Travelers.

NOTES!!

This WILL NOT be *cheap*...
We'd be far ahead to get him into a FurrEver Home right there in Florida!!

Valerie and KayAnn ~~
PLEASE CHECK with everyone you know -
We need a Temp Foster and/or a FurrEver Home for Chance!!
SHOULD be a NO Other Pets Home!!

>> KayAnn <<
Chance would NOT "fit in" with your two Pups...
even a short-term "visit" would be *very* stressful
for all the Dogs.

AND... do either of you know anyone with a Large Dawg
"AIRLINE Approved" Flight Kennel
that would be willing to "donate" it to Chance's Cause??
The Kennel will be another $100 in costs;
although some airlines may rent them.

OK Gang - let's get On It!
If Chance is heading to Texas for Christmas...
We'll need some :eek: $$ MONEY AND some Florida and Texas HELP!!

/s/ Phred @ 1:00 PM WEDNESDAY, Dec 10th

Well, after reading that, he needs to be in a foster home and get some training before being adopted to the public.

I am sure if we all tried, we could find one in Florida though. It will be cheaper, less stressful than flying to Texas. Don't get me wrong, Micki would be a wonderful (foster) mommy to him. But I'm just trying to look at this from all angles.

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Originally posted by Cinder & Smoke
>> KayAnn <<
Chance would NOT "fit in" with your two Pups...
even a short-term "visit" would be *very* stressful
for all the Dogs.

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How do you know?

I think she should try it. It will be a lot less stressful to visit a home than to be stuck on a plane and flown in a luggage compartment for hours.

I just sent you a PM, Phred. Aly, I think Phred is going off of exactly what the lady at the SPCA told him........that Chance is not one that will fit with other dogs. KayAnn would not want to put Simba and Nala at risk, as obviously Valerie hasn't been able to do with Duke either. (at least that's what I read in all of this discussion)

Logan

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Originally posted by aly
Well, after reading that, he needs to be in a foster home and get some training before being adopted to the public.

I am sure if we all tried, we could find one in Florida though. It will be cheaper, less stressful than flying to Texas. Don't get me wrong, Micki would be a wonderful (foster) mommy to him. But I'm just trying to look at this from all angles.

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Thanks Aly! :)

My only problem is that we are in the process of selling my dad's house and my sister will be moving to an apartment until her house is built, (she got a great deal on some land in the country)and I will most likely have Bob until the house finished; sometime in the early spring hopefully.

In other words, my only refuge for Chance (now that I know about his alpha issues) will be moving into an apartment in about a week and a half. :( I didn't know he was alpha until I made the offer, and Chester will NOT tolerate another alpha male.

Now I feel helpless and bad for Chance.

KayAnn - do you think there's a possibility?

Well, if he plays with other dogs at the shelter, I don't see why KayAnn can't try it :confused: :confused: :confused: She lives really close to there and it would be soooo much easier.

Who's to say he'd "fit in" when he arrives at Texas, with Micki's Crew, or her sister -- Especially after a long, confusing plane ride?

It's always worth trying, it's not like Valerie and I live a plane trip away.

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Originally posted by Kfamr
Who's to say he'd "fit in" when he arrives at Texas, with Micki's Crew, or her sister -- Especially after a long, confusing plane ride?

It's always worth trying, it's not like Valerie and I live a plane trip away.

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I know, I'm worried about the plane trip, too. :(

micki - I could arrange for him to come into my shelter, but I'm not sure if I could find a foster home. I know a foster is what he needs. I WISH I could do it, but I've got fosters coming out my ears at the moment.

Anyway, if you did end up taking him and things went really bad, there would be the option of coming to my shelter where he'd get wonderful training and socialization even in the shelter.

BUT, since he has been on television several times, I think most rescue groups in Florida would be willing to take him in. They love dogs with a story they can advertise. Even if its further away in Florida, a car transport will be easier than a plane.

I just don't think its fair to ship him to Micki at this point, as there are still options to explore.

I'm going to talk my parent's about it when I get home. Christmas IS coming up, and I haven't asked for anything.

Well, you should definitely "try" if you can, KayAnn. God knows, I wasn't trying to discourage you. But if Valerie couldn't take him to her home, I figured it certainly wouldn't work at your house with two. All of us want what is best for Chance, obviously. I have yet to have a foster come to my house that didn't work, but I have very submissive dogs who never even flinched at the sight of a new one. I was only trying to interpret what the lady told Phred.

I understand that, Logan.

Simba has come a long ways since we got Honey & Nala. nowadays, he'd much rather just go on his own way than mess with another dog. Nala would want to play, but she's just a pup and there's alot of training in her future.

Wait? I have a question. If chance doesnt do good with other dogs, then why are you sending him to mickis home, when they have already 3 dogs?? Or is this a different person? :confused:

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Originally posted by Amber
Wait? I have a question. If chance doesnt do good with other dogs, then why are you sending him to mickis home, when they have already 3 dogs?? Or is this a different person? :confused:

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Yeah that part doesn't make sense. Also, since he's big, he'll scare little Millie to death. And poor Chester will think he has his work cut out for him. I would hate to do that to Micki.



I really have confidence that KayAnn could help Chance if her parents allow her.