Things Iams Don't Want You To See

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Originally posted by Miss Meow
Cuddle her cute kitties ;)

Seriously, we found Innova dried dog and cat food at a local pet store and it's good quality. I think it's a Pets Paradise, which whitepages.com.au says you have in your state. Give one of the stores a call and see if they stock it. Our store had little sample baggies for $1 so we could try before we bought a larger bag.

I couldn't find Innova on the 'bad' list, so I hope it's animal testing-free.

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Oooh, we do have Pets Paradise here in Brissie, might give them a shot. Also, the RSPCA has opened a "pet store" (no pets, just supplies) that is supposed to have good stuff.

As for cuddling my kitties, my Pixie baby is right next to me as we speak and Randi is looking jealous and what's this? He's coming over......

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Originally posted by wolfsoul
I imagine they are testing to see which formula can increase and speed healing.

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that's sick. how could a person actually do that? it discusts me.

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Originally posted by trayi52
Have any of you ever heard about Diamond dog or cat food? I know that is available around here close. I just don't know if they use the animal testing or not. Anybody know anything about this company?

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Check here for info on Diamond Brand Pet Food. Seems they
do some feeding studies, but no surigal procedures. Their Vet
has a column in this link & he answers someone's questions
about animal testing. Look on the left hand side of the page. The
column begings with.........

" A Quick Note--

I have been receiving many questions about animal testing since the controversy with the Iams contract laboratory hit the news. I would like to make some comments for those of you that have not contacted me individually about this important topic."



http://www.chickensoupforthepetlover...imeSafety.html

Does anybody know anything about ProPlan? My boys are doing well on it and i haven't heard anything awful about it.

I've been doing some reading and found out that Iams has changed a/some formula/s atleast once, which isn't legal unless they inform the public by stating the change on the bag for the first six months. Lots of dogs got sick and had terrible allergic reactions.

I'm not sure if this is the same list or not, but here's a list I found:

Allergan, Inc.
2525 Dupont Dr., P.O. Box 19534, Irvine, CA 92612 °714-752-4500, 800-347-4500, [email protected]

Arm & Hammer (Church & Dwight)
469 N. Harrison St., Princeton, NJ 08543, 609-683-5900, 800-524-1328

Bausch & Lomb (Curél, Soft Sense, Clear Choice)
1 Bausch & Lomb Place, Rochester, NY 14604-2701, 716-338-6000, 800-344-8815

Benckiser (Coty, Lancaster, Jovan)
237 Park Ave., 19th Fl., New York, NY 10017-3142, 212-850-2300, [email protected]

Block Drug Co., Inc. (Polident, Sensodyne, Tegrin, Lava, Carpet Fresh)
257 Cornelison Ave., Jersey City, NJ 07302, 201-434-3000, 800-365-6500

Boyle-Midway (Reckitt & Colman)
2 Wickman Rd., Toronto, Ontario M8Z 5M5 Canada, 416-255-2300

Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. (Clairol, Ban Roll-On, Keri, Final Net)
345 Park Ave., New York, NY 10154-0037, 212-546-4000

Calvin Klein Cosmetics, (A division of Unilever), Trump Tower, 725 Fifth Ave., New York, NY 10022-2519, (973) 347-8889

Carter-Wallace (Arrid, Lady's Choice, Nair, Pearl Drops)
1345 Ave. of the Americas, New York, NY 10105-0021, 212-339-5000

Chesebrough-Ponds (Fabergé, Cutex, Vaseline)
800 Sylvan Ave., Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632, 201-512-0094

Church & Dwight (Arm & Hammer)
469 N. Harrison St., Princeton, NJ 08543-5297, 609-683-5900, 800-524-1328

Clairol, Inc. (Bristol-Myers Squibb)
345 Park Ave., New York, NY 10154, 212-546-5000, 800-223-5800

Clorox (Pine-Sol, S.O.S., Tilex, ArmorAll)
1221 Broadway, Oakland, CA 94612, 510-271-7000, 800-227-1860

+ Colgate-Palmolive, 300 Park Avenue, New York, NY 10022-7499, (800) 338-8333 (+ currently observing a moratorium on animal testing).

Coty (Benckiser)
237 Park Ave., 19th Fl., New York, NY 10017-3142, 212-850-2300, [email protected]

Cover Girl (Procter & Gamble)
One Procter & Gamble Plaza, Cincinnati, OH 45202, 513-983-1100, 800-543-1745

Dana Perfumes (Alyssa Ashley)
635 Madison Ave., 5th Fl., New York, NY 10022-1009 °212-751-3700, 800-822-8547

Del Laboratories (Flame Glow, Commerce Drug, Sally Hansen)
565 Broad Hollow Rd., Farmingdale, NY 11735, 516-293-7070, 800-645-9888

Dial Corporation (Purex, Renuzit), 1850 N. Central Ave., Phoenix, AZ 85004, 602-207-1800, 800-528-0849

DowBrands (Glass Plus, Fantastik, Vivid)
P.O. Box 68511, Indianapolis, IN 46268, 317-873-7000

Drackett Products Co. (S.C. Johnson & Son)
1525 Howe St., Racine, WI 53403, 414-631-2000, 800-558-5252

Ecolab, Inc.
370 N. Wabasha St., St. Paul, MN 55102-1390, 612-293-2233, 800-352-5326

Elizabeth Arden, Inc. (A division of Unilever), 1345 Ave. of the Americas, New York, NY 10105, (212) 261-1000

Erno Laszlo
200 First Stamford Place, Stamford, CT 06902-6759, 203-363-5461

Givaudan-Roure
1775 Windsor Rd., Teaneck, NJ 07666, 201-833-2300

Helene Curtis Industries (Finesse, Unilever, Suave)
325 N. Wells St., Chicago, IL 60610-4713, 312-661-0222

Jhirmack (Playtex)
300 Nyala Farms Rd., Westport, CT 06880, 203-341-4000

Johnson & Johnson
1 Johnson & Johnson Plaza, New Brunswick, NJ 08933, 908-524-0400

Kimberly-Clark Corp. (Kleenex, Scott Paper, Huggies)
P.O. Box 619100, Dallas, TX 75261-9100, 800-544-1847

Lamaur
5601 E. River Rd., Fridley, MN 55432, 612-571-1234

L & F Products
One Philips Pkwy., Montvale, NJ 07645-1810, 201-573-5700

Lever Bros. (Unilever)
390 Park Ave., New York, NY 10022, 212-888-1260, 800-745-9696

Max Factor (Procter & Gamble)
One Procter & Gamble Plaza, Cincinnati, OH 45202, 513-983-1100, 800-543-1745

Mead
Courthouse Plaza N.E., Dayton, OH 45463, 513-222-6323

Melaleuca, Inc.
3910 S. Yellowstone Hwy., Idaho Falls, ID 83402-6003 , 208-522-0700

Mennen Co. (Colgate-Palmolive)
E. Hanover Ave., Morristown, NJ 07962, 201-631-9000

Murphy-Phoenix Co. (Colgate-Palmolive)
P.O. Box 39670, Solon, OH 44139, 800-486-7627

Neoteric Cosmetics
4880 Havana St., Denver, CO 80239-0019, 303-373-4860

Neutron Industries, Inc.
7107 N. Black Canyon Hwy., Phoenix, AZ 85021, 602-864-0090

Noxell (Procter & Gamble)
11050 York Rd., Hunt Valley, MD 21030-2098, 410-785-7300, 800-572-3232

Olay Co./Oil of Olay (Procter & Gamble)
P.O. Box 599, Cincinnati, OH 45201, 800-543-1745

Pantene (Procter & Gamble)
Procter & Gamble Plaza, Cincinnati, OH 45202, 800-945-7768

Parfums International (White Shoulders)
1345 Ave. of the Americas, New York, NY 10105, 212-261-1000

Perrigo
117 Water St., Allegan, MI 49010 °616-673-8451, 800-253-3606

Pfizer, Inc. (Bain de Soleil, Plax, Visine, Desitin, BenGay)
235 E. 42nd St., New York, NY 10017-5755, 212-573-2323

Playtex Products, Inc. (Banana Boat, Woolite, Jhirmack)
300 Nyala Farms Rd., Westport, CT 06880, 203-341-4000

Procter & Gamble Co. (Crest, Tide, Cover Girl, Max Factor, Giorgio)
One Procter & Gamble Plaza, Cincinnati, OH 45202, 513-983-1100, 800-543-1745

Reckitt & Colman (Lysol, Mop & Glo)
1655 Valley Rd., Wayne, NJ 07474-0945, 201-633-6700, 800-232-9665

Richardson-Vicks (Procter & Gamble)
One Procter & Gamble Plaza, Cincinnati, OH 45202, 513-983-1100, 800-543-1745

Sally Hansen (Del Laboratories)
565 Broad Hollow Rd., Farmingdale, NY 11735, 516-293-7070, 800-645-9888

Sanofi (Yves Saint Laurent)
90 Park Ave., 24th Fl., New York, NY 10016, 212-907-2000

Schering-Plough (Coppertone)
1 Giralda Farms, Madison, NJ 07940-1000, 201-822-7000, 800-842-4090

Schick (Warner-Lambert)
201 Tabor Rd., Morris Plains, NJ 07950, 201-540-2000, 800-492-1555

S. C. Johnson Wax (Pledge, Drano, Windex, Glade)
1525 Howe St., Racine, WI 53403, 414-260-2000, 800-558-5252

SmithKline Beecham
100 Beecham Dr., Pittsburgh, PA 15205, 412-928-1000, 800-456-6670

SoftSoap Enterprises (Colgate-Palmolive)
1107 Hazeltine Blvd., Suite 370, Chaska, MN 55318, 612-448-1118

Sun Star
600 Eagle Dr., Bensenville, IL 60106-1977, 800-821-5455

3M (Scotch, Post-It)
Center Bldg., 220-2E-02, St. Paul, MN 55144-1000, 612-733-1110, 800-364-3577

Unilever (Lever Bros., Calvin Klein, Elizabeth Arden, Helene Curtis, Diversey)
390 Park Ave., New York, NY 10022, 212-888-1260, 800-745-9696

Vidal Sassoon (Procter & Gamble)
P.O. Box 599, Cincinnati, OH 45201, 800-543-7270

Warner-Lambert (Lubriderm, Listerine, Schick)
201 Tabor Rd., Morris Plains, NJ 07950-2693, 201-540-2000, 800-323-5379

Westwood Pharmaceutical
100 Forest Ave., Buffalo, NY 14213, 716-887-3400, 800-333-0950

Here is a very helpful post that my sister made on another message board about pet foods :)

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What cats DON'T need in their diet!

By-Products

Cats need meat! When you go to the grocery store next time, read some of the ingredients labels on their cat foods. Most of the foods have by-products in them. By-products are bones, blood, intestines, lungs, ligaments, and almost all the other parts not generally consumed by humans.

Wheat, Soy, Corn and Peanut Hulls!

Cereal and grain products replace a considerable proportion of the meat in cat food. Corn is a much cheaper energy source than meat. The availability of nutrients in these products is dependent upon the digestibility of the grain. The amount and type of carbohydrate in cat food determines the amount of nutrient value the animal actually gets. Cats can almost completely absorb carbohydrates from some grains, such as white rice. Almost all of the nutritional value of other grains can escape digestion. Some ingredients, such as peanut hulls, are used for filler or fiber, and have no significant nutritional value.

Animal and Poultry fat

Restaurant grease has become a major component of feed grade animal fat over the last fifteen years. This grease, often held in fifty-gallon drums, may be kept outside for weeks, exposed to extreme temperatures with no regard for its future use. "Fat blenders" or rendering companies then pick up this used grease and mix the different types of fat together, stabilize them with powerful antioxidants to retard further spoilage, and then sell the blended products to pet food companies and other end users.

Additives and Preservatives

Many chemicals are added to commercial cat foods to improve the taste, stability, characteristics, or appearance of the food. Additives provide no nutritional value. Additives include emulsifiers to prevent water and fat from separating, antioxidants to prevent fat from turning rancid, and artificial colors and flavors to make the product more attractive to consumers and more palatable to their companion animals. Synthetic preservatives include butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA) and butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT), propyl gallate, propylene glycol (also used as a less-toxic version of automotive antifreeze), and ethoxyquin. For these antioxidants, there is little information documenting their toxicity, safety, interactions, or chronic use in pet foods that may be eaten every day for the life of the animal.

Additives in Processed Cat Foods

Anticaking agents
Lubricants
Antimicrobial agents
Nonnutritive sweeteners
Antioxidants
Nutritive sweeteners
Coloring agents
Oxidizing and reducing agents
Curing agents
pH control agents
Drying agents
Processing aids
Emulsifiers
Sequestrants
Firming agents
Solvents, vehicles
Flavor enhancers
Stabilizers, thickeners
Flavoring agents
Surface active agents
Flour treating agents
Surface finishing agents
Formulation aids
Synergists
Humectants
Texturizers
Leavening agents

Animal protein

It can include diseased meat, road kill, contaminated material from slaughterhouses, fecal matter, rendered cats and dogs and poultry feathers. The major source of animal protein comes from dead-stock removal operations that supply so-called "4-D" animals-dead, diseased, dying or disabled-to "receiving plants" for hide, fat and meat removal. The meat (after being doused with charcoal and marked "unfit for human consumption") may then be sold for pet food.

Rendering plants process decomposing animal carcasses, large road kill and euthanized dogs and cats into a dry protein product that is sold to the pet food industry. One small plant in Quebec, Ontario, renders 10 tons (22,000 pounds) of dogs and cats per week. The Quebec Ministry of Agriculture states that "the fur is not removed from dogs and cats" and that "dead animals are cooked together with viscera, bones and fat at 115° C (235° F) for 20 minutes".

There are so much more things in cat foods that should'nt be there! I feed my cats the world's best cat food. Solid Gold has none of the above things in it. It is all natural and my cats love it!

Here are the benifits my cats get from Solid Gold

- Less shedding

- Fewer hairballs

- Feces don't stink

- More energy

- Shinier coat

- Cleaner teeth

- Grown muscle mass

- They eat less

- And most of all, they the taste!

I believe that if you truly your cats, which I know all of you do, they deserve a healthier diet. It costs less in the long run. If I were to buy a 15 pound bag of Friskies, it would last me 2 weeks. I buy a 15 pound bag of Solid Gold and it lasts me a month. Your roughly spending the same amount of money when you switch to a premium cat food.

Where do I get the Solid gold Cat food, I like to feed the dry kind, and also the dog food too?? All the benefits you listed is just what I have looked for in dog foods for years. I want the same benefits for my Grover and Stubby. :) ( Of course, dogs don't get hairballs? Do they?) The rest sounds great for my Chihuahua too. Moneywise too.

You can go here, http://solidgoldhealth.com/stores/ , and search for a store that carries it near you :)

Hey Cat Factory, which one do you feed your cats, and should I still feed Grover the food for a kitten, she is about 8 months now, and still growing, (i hope) and which would you feed the chihuahuas.

Sorry to be such a pest, I was just looking at that site, and if I do get the Solid gold, I will have to order it, because I live in hickville. LOL. :) The prices are not that bad, no worse than what I have been paying for Iams and the others, and if it last longer I would be doing pretty good, moneywise. Right?

Solid Gold is ideal for adult cats and kittens, to maintain total health. Depending on the age of your chihuahuahs, there is Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) and Hundchen Flocken Puppy (lamb). I have never fed Buddy the Solid Gold variety, but it sounds really good. They also have a food called Mmillennia Beef & Barley Adult Dog, it's for adult maintenance.

Solid Gold is cheap compared to IAMS. IAMS wants to make money, so they make their food really expensive. Solid Gold cares about the health of your pet and their nutrition. 15 pounds of Solid Gold cat food is $20.63, that would last 1 cat a couple of months. I have never bought IAMS, but I know it is very expensive and it's filled with everything your pets DON'T need!

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Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog and Hundchen Flocken Puppy !

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I try not to use curse words when I talk about my pets....

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Originally posted by The Cat Factory
Solid Gold is ideal for adult cats and kittens, to maintain total health. Depending on the age of your chihuahuahs, there is Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) and Hundchen Flocken Puppy (lamb).

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I wouldn't reccomend feeding puppy food, especially to a breed like a chihuahua that commonly experiences joint (and I believe bone?) problems. Puppy food is loaded with extra nutrients that your puppy doesn't need. Dog food companies will tell you that you pup is growing and needs the extra fat and protien and whatever else they throw in there, but the last thing you want is the puppy to grow fast. You want it to be a slow and gradual process, as it is easier on the bones and joints. It's a much healthier alternative to go right to adult food. Most breeders will reccomend not feeding puppy food beyond 8 weeks.

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Originally posted by RICHARD
I try not to use curse words when I talk about my pets....

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LOL! :D

wolfsoul,
I didn't know that, never even thought about that, but it does make a lot of sense. I always fed the puppies, puppy food. Well no more.
I have really learned a lot here, I fed my Buffy puppy food, until she was a year old, I hope I did not harm her doing that. Thanks for the info!

Richard, very funny!!
:D ;) :p