Welcome mahayana, I agree 100% with you. Its good to debate an issue, but when the subject starts getting ugly and insulting on a personal bases, then the subject becomes uninteresting to me.
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Welcome mahayana, I agree 100% with you. Its good to debate an issue, but when the subject starts getting ugly and insulting on a personal bases, then the subject becomes uninteresting to me.
I agree. That's what this forum was created for in the first place - things that might offend. Right?Quote:
I stick by my original comments. This is the DH, and I don't want to have to censore myself because of some (or any) child. I would find PT alot less enjoyable, and would contemplate leaving, because it wouldn't be serving my needs any longer. I think my opinion should 'count' just as much as some child's.
And, if I remember the rules correctly when I signed up, there is an age limit on this site. Fourteen, I believe? So, there really shouldn't be anyone under the age of fourteen reading anything on here, according to the official rules. We shouldn't have to keep every conversation suitable for a six year old. So, basically, conversations need to be "Rated PG-13" ... not rated R or X, for sure ... but also, not necesarily rated G, either.
I've never personally seen anything on Pet Talk that I wouldn't let my twelve year old read. There's a big wide world out there, people, and these teenagers a part of it. I'm quite sure they hear and see far worse things on television, at school, hanging out with their friends than they ever do here. Pet Talk, at it's bawdiest, is still very, very tame.
7:00 PM - Prime Time Television - Saturday Night
Jack in the Box Commercial
Scene: Conference room - filled with men and women
Discussion: Naming a new sandwich made of chicken breasts.
Jack: What should we name this new sandwich???? Jack continues and says - "chicken" "breasts" hmmm......breasts.......
Scene: All of the men start to snicker and pass notes.
The women are stone faced.
Man raises his hand and Jack says "don't go there Steve"
Cut to picture of a bag that says Jack in the Box Chicken Breast Sandwich.
What do you do when you have kids in the room watching this?
Turn off the television? Go out and get some Jack in the Box sandwiches?
There have been many lewd things posted on Pet Talk. I recall one Sunday morning years ago and Karen was breaking her neck to race around and delete someone's filthy comments - and they were filthy. Then she banned the poster.
I have deleted a thread not because of the political comments, but because people were becoming nasty and hurting other people's feelings. Totally unnecessary.
It is one thing to be a sharp wit and totally another to post biting comments that might hurt someone else.
Can we stop it? Probably not. Unless you initiated the thread all you can do is complain and share your feelings with Karen or Paul.
There are those who just cannot resist.........and we all know who they are.
This is such a fun place, all about pets, photos, meetings and sharing a part of your lives. And yes, Thursdays, it is a great place to drop by for a laugh and a virtual drink.
And this is the Dog House.....what did you expect to find down here.... angels on fluffy pillows...wings fluttering in the breeze?
Was this a show that kids should be watching? Just curious. My niece doesn't watch much prime time. Mostly WB stuff like 7th Heaven and such. A lot of stuff that's on TV during prime time shouldn't be viewed by kids, obviously. (By kids I don't mean teenagers. Everyone keeps talking about the teens and believe me THEY could make this board a lot nastier than we could if they chose to!)Quote:
Originally posted by gini
7:00 PM - Prime Time Television - Saturday Night
Jack in the Box Commercial
Scene: Conference room - filled with men and women
Discussion: Naming a new sandwich made of chicken breasts.
Jack: What should we name this new sandwich???? Jack continues and says - "chicken" "breasts" hmmm......breasts.......
Scene: All of the men start to snicker and pass notes.
The women are stone faced.
Man raises his hand and Jack says "don't go there Steve"
Cut to picture of a bag that says Jack in the Box Chicken Breast Sandwich.
What do you do when you have kids in the room watching this?
Turn off the television? Go out and get some Jack in the Box sandwiches?
There have been many lewd things posted on Pet Talk. I recall one Sunday morning years ago and Karen was breaking her neck to race around and delete someone's filthy comments - and they were filthy. Then she banned the poster.
I have deleted a thread not because of the political comments, but because people were becoming nasty and hurting other people's feelings. Totally unnecessary.
It is one thing to be a sharp wit and totally another to post biting comments that might hurt someone else.
Can we stop it? Probably not. Unless you initiated the thread all you can do is complain and share your feelings with Karen or Paul.
There are those who just cannot resist.........and we all know who they are.
This is such a fun place, all about pets, photos, meetings and sharing a part of your lives. And yes, Thursdays, it is a great place to drop by for a laugh and a virtual drink.
And this is the Dog House.....what did you expect to find down here.... angels on fluffy pillows...wings fluttering in the breeze?
Please do not respond nastily or snidely people (there's been enough of that), I am just asking a simple question and stating what my family's kids watch. I really don't want anyone getting defensive, I'm just curious.
Micki76 - I am not sure, but I think it was CBS.
I was cooking and had the television on and just happened to turn around and see that commercial.
My niece wasn't here tonight so it was just me and the chicken breast commercial taking on the world:D :D
Sorry ...... but I was glancing through the posts, read pasties ........... and thought you were talking about PIES! Then read the stipper comments ........
Cornish Pasties ................... :D . :rolleyes:
...... walks off chuckling ...........
Here I go......
Finding out what makes people tick ( a good bath with flea repellant does the trick;) ....) is the thing I love about PT....
Yes we are all pet lovers, but we do operate in other parts of the
'world'.
The 'pet facet' of our personalities is why we are here, but
we also eat, sleep, love, care, wonder, cry, yell and carry on just LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
So why should we be different?
Someone posted a thread about heart break.
In any other place on the 'net you'd get all kinds of BS and crap.
The person thought enough about us to ask for OUR opinion....
PET TALKERS!!!
SHE ASKED ADVICE FROM PET TALKERS!!!
She trusted everyone on the site to make her heartbreak known and then asked us our opinion about it...
We may all be Pet Talkers, but we are all humans first....
and when we lose sight of that, we are all lost.....
Everyone!!!
Get over yourselves, your opinions and beliefs....have a little faith in humanity and let go of your beliefs.....
it's good to sin every now and then......
but make sure it's your sin, not someone else's!
Good post, Richard. I agree.
Well Done Richard!
The world situation bothers me. I miss the Iraq thread. I shudder every time there is news of people killing people with bombs, rockets, bullets....Do you think we will get past discussing lewdness and rudeness, and maybe talk about national and international problems again?
Or maybe get back to what PET Talk was made for ? :p
perhaps you are right, Kfamr....but my pets don't really bother me!Sometimes a cat will nearly trip me, rubbing against my ankles. Or a possession will get chewed or scratched....writing a $700 check to the vet bothers me if I'm short of cash!
Do you think it's inappropriate mention big worries, like nuclear war and social injustice, in Pet Talk?
You can start a thread on any topic you like.Quote:
Originally posted by mahayana
The world situation bothers me. I miss the Iraq thread. I shudder every time there is news of people killing people with bombs, rockets, bullets....Do you think we will get past discussing lewdness and rudeness, and maybe talk about national and international problems again?
I have not posted on this thread til now. Here's my .02:
I respect Aly's feelings. I have often taken a second look at what I'm typing and with the younger members of PT in mind have deleted or rephrased what I was saying. Before any of the younger members tell me not to lump them together or what not-I'm a teacher. Always will be. Can't help how that shapes my thinking.
As a teacher I also think PT has been good. We've seen some good solid debates, and some good discussions of the issues. I like knowing the younger members are getting some experience with debate and discussion.
THURSDAYS: it's a cyber bar. No one is drinking alcohol. And, in fact probably half of the regulars don't drink cyber alcohol even.
Now, the one thing that bothers me? The bickering and immature arguing that happens (mostly in general) among some posters. Usually the same ones. I don't want to see it, so usually I don't read it.
HOWEVER, each time one of these junior high arguments happens I wonder how many people are visiting PT for the first time and what is their impression. How many great folks are we never going to meet because they have to sift through
20 eye roll posts, and nasty comments. They don't know that the eyerollers are kids. I didn't know when I first began. It's a bad first impression. I wouldn't come back if I'd seen that silliness my first few visits.
I think Richard has a great point though about PT-ers coming to eachother to discuss non pet things. We are like people with a common thread, it's logical that we would feel comfortable talking about non- pet things with eachother. Back to Thursdays. Two or three weeks ago lots of bad stuff was happening to PT-ers. Thursdays was a somber place. A place folks could go for some solace. Each of us looks for something different from the group. Don't take that away.
There. My two cents.
Again, I think this is a good discussion.
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Originally posted by Kfamr
Or maybe get back to what PET Talk was made for ? :p
If you look at the different forums, you will see there are MANY things PT was 'made' for..not just pets. Some people like to talk/argue/debate things besides pets....while I love my pets, and they take up alot of my life, they are NOT my life...
*snort*
you said it sister!Quote:
Originally posted by Cataholic
If you look at the different forums, you will see there are MANY things PT was 'made' for..not just pets. Some people like to talk/argue/debate things besides pets....while I love my pets, and they take up alot of my life, they are NOT my life...
And since Soledad covered the *snort* sound effect, I'll chime in with *waaaaaa*
LiKE OMG ARE YOU SeRIOUs!?!?!?111111!!1
I never realized such a thing! *snort nsort snorT*
Your pets *aren't* your life?!?! :eek: OMG! Are you serious?!?!?! ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Cataholic
If you look at the different forums, you will see there are MANY things PT was 'made' for..not just pets. Some people like to talk/argue/debate things besides pets....while I love my pets, and they take up alot of my life, they are NOT my life...
He he. Just kidding. I agree with you. While I love my pets with all my heart and a MAJOR part of my life is devoted to them, they are not my *life*. My *life* is my life. They are a big part of it, an enormous part of it, but not *it*. :p I mean...........there are other things that I spend my life on as well, and they are all little *parts* of my life, but not my *life*. Everything in my life is a part of it, but I cannot call it my life........just a part of my life; pets a major part........ so I do understand what you're saying by they are not your *life*, and I agree.
Now..........must copy Soledad
*snort*
LOL
Ps. I think Pet Talk would become boring if the one and ONLY thing we talked about was PETS..........nothing else, but PETS. I like diversity. While I LOVE LOVE LOVE pets, I like to talk about other things too.........with passion. :)
I know I said I was done with this thread, so shoot me.
I don't know where half the stuff you guys are talking about is coming from. My original post said nothing about talking about subjects other than pets :confused: :confused: I also stated several times that controversial topics are fine and dandy. I don't mind the good debate threads - it would be boring if we all agreed. The only thing I was pointing out in this thread was adult language and adult references. Thats it.
PS - My pets ARE my LIFE !!!!! (But in no way do I expect everyone to be like that)
Actually, it wasn't all that long ago that Pet Talk WAS strictly pet related. There was no "General" catagory, no "Marketplace" and no "Dog House." The General catagory came about because too much of the Dogs General forum was being taken up by members discussing personal matters. Correct me if I'm wrong Karen:) Either that, or no one was posting in General and all such subject matter was then directed to General. The "Dog House" evolved when some of the threads in General started to address some rather controversial topics. There was none of the current enhancements such as html coding, "color" the ability to "attach." and we actually did manage to fill up pages and pages of "just pet" discussion iin boring black and white.:D
Many new members were befuddled as they had joined for the purpose of discussing dogs and instead found pages of personal chatter about the weekend, favorite movies, etc in the "pets" sections!:D I find nothing wrong with strictly "one subject" related forums. It doesn't mean that because you go to a particular site that defines itself as a "pet"forum or whatever, and does not include personal/"other" subject catagories or "talk", your life revolves around that exclusively. It may be your passion, your profession, your love, whatever. Actually, I know some people who go to such sites to get AWAY from their peronal lives!:D And many sites, such as PT, are able to blend both subject and personal discussion quite nicely. I too like discussing my opinions and current events, things going on in my life, etc. and I can hold my own in any debate and enjoy a good intellectual challenge. But as has been stated ad nauseum, I really hate when the level of discussion takes on a nasty, jugemental tone. I get enough of that in my "real life." I often wonder if people who are so rude on the internet have the courage and strength of their convictions to be so blantly offensive when discussing matters face to face. There is something to be said for taking a tactful approach, if only to make one's point more aptly.
I remember when I first got my computer. I was so excited to search out all of those forums and chat rooms I had heard so much about. I have a background in horticulture and was especially interested in checking out such forums as well as animal/pet related ones. I was shocked when I visited a few, only to find anything BUT that subject being discussed and as well, a lot of flaming, slamming, aruging and nasty, really nasty language. It swore me off to internet forums for a long time until I found Best Friends Animal Sanctuary message board, which led me to Pet Talk.
Aly, I know what you're saying. But I think this thread has taken the turn it has as much of the "talk" you may find objectional is found on the "other" non pet related forums.
Ah, Sandra.......you sure know the history of PT better than us! I had no idea there was no General before! :eek: How interesting! And I know Pet Talk WAS created for PETS, but I do like the fact that we can discuss other things here as well. :)
PS. Sorry for going off-topic Aly. I know very well what you meant by creating this thread, and as I said before, I agree with you on that. :)
My $AU 0.02 is worth even less in American currency!
:D
Those who agree with this sentiment need to remember why Karen and Paul created the "Other" forums in the first place. As tatsxxx11 so eloquently said, it was to "purify" the rest of the Pet Talk forums of non-related material so that posts in those forums focussed on the matter at hand - pets, pets, and more PETS! :DQuote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
Or maybe get back to what PET Talk was made for ? :p
If people want to just talk about pets, hey that's fine, because for many it is an escape from the harsh realities discussed in the Dog House and sometimes General forums. Many people do stick to the pet forums. For those of us who want to share something else, something profound on different levels, with our new Pet Talkin' friends that's alright too. We have much to offer each other in terms of support, a friendly argument/debate (and lets leave subjective put downs out of it please) and a giggle (thanks Richard! :) )!
Be the watchdogs, folks, nothing like a little peer group pressure to raise standards. If you see an inappropriate post REPORT IT straight away to Karen/Paul.
Well said!!Quote:
Originally posted by tatsxxx11
I really hate when the level of discussion takes on a nasty, jugemental tone. I get enough of that in my "real life." I often wonder if people who are so rude on the internet have the courage and strength of their convictions to be so blantly offensive when discussing matters face to face. There is someting to be said for taking a tactful approach, if only to make one's point more aptly.
It seems like some people are very judgemental of things they may not know anything about. It's sad.
What are you talking about?Quote:
Originally posted by Cheshirekatt
It seems like some people are very judgemental of things they may not know anything about. It's sad.
General has existed all along. The only "new forums" - ones that were not present at the birth of Pet Talk, are the Dog House, Marketplace and now the Meetings forum. Perhaps, Sandra, you just didn't scroll down there right away, so discovered it later! ;)Quote:
Originally posted by tatsxxx11
Actually, it wasn't all that long ago that Pet Talk WAS strictly pet related. There was no "General" catagory, no "Marketplace" and no "Dog House." The General catagory came about because too much of the Dogs General forum was being taken up by members discussing personal matters. Correct me if I'm wrong Karen:) Either that, or no one was posting in General and all such subject matter was then directed to General. The "Dog House" evolved when some of the threads in General started to address some rather controversial topics. There was none of the current enhancements such as html coding, "color" the ability to "attach." and we actually did manage to fill up pages and pages of "just pet" discussion iin boring black and white.
I do want Pet Talk to be a friendly place. We should all be respectful of each other. If we disagree, do so politely. And, as I have said before, if a particular post offends you, PM me! The sooner you do, the sooner I can address the problem.
What we have in common - the love for pets - is far stronger than any differences between us, I believe. And we believe that every pet is special. And every person is, too, right?
Yes Mam!!! I do believe we are on the same page, Karen!! :)