I'm the other way around. After listening to all closing arguments, the state cleared up any doubt I might have had. We will just have to wait and see. :love:
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I'm the other way around. After listening to all closing arguments, the state cleared up any doubt I might have had. We will just have to wait and see. :love:
I agree Eileen. The prosecution has to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Casey killed Caylee. Way, way too much doubt, and credible doubt too, brought up by the defense. Gut feelings and suspicions and emotions just don't count. If I was on the jury, I couldn't say she positively did it, even tho in my gut, I feel that she did.Quote:
Originally Posted by momcat
On the other hand, the defense has to prove nothing! The burden of proving anything rests with the prosecution, and they just didn't do it.
No way will she get 1st degree premeditated murder and the death penalty - 2nd degree probably with years of jail time. IMO of course.
The defense would not want me on the jury. I would find her GUILTY. It is very sad to see photos of that pretty sweet little child. Many people would have wanted her and loved her. I really believe Casey killed Caylee because she was in the way... cramping her party lifestyle. Can you imagine partying and getting a tatoo while your child is missing??? Beyond belief! I wouldnt be able to do anything if my DOG or CAT was missing, let alone a child. That Casey is a cold one.
I also think Casey has some mental problems or is disconnected or something wierd going on with her but still, I think she should be punished for killing Caylee. I doubt that she will get the death sentence but I hope she gets many many years in prison. I will be very upset and mad if she is found not guilty because imo she is guilty.
I keep thinking of the Susan Smith case. It still haunts me that someone could drive a car into a lake with too small babies buckled in their car seats. And she did it on purpose because she thought the man she was chasing at the time wouldn't take her if she had them. Like he would want a murderer?
I had nightmares for weeks thinking of those babies crying for her, the one person in the entire world they trusted to keep them safe, to save them. :(
I really do think Casey will only do jail time. Even if she would be on death row, there would be years and years of appeals.
Just wonder if she will think the wonderful life will be worth all she may go through. :love:
I thought Baez did a decent job of defense and I was thinking that if I were on the jury, I'd have to find her not guilty by reasonable doubt. Not that I think she's not guilty, b/c I don't, but I felt there just wasn't enough evidence to convict her. However, when Jeff Ashton and Linda Drane Burdick came on w/their rebuttal, they brought back a lot that I had forgotten or hadn't heard b/c I missed some of the trial. Then I changed my mind. Guilty of murder one, IMO. The longer the jury is out, the better it is for her. I do think, though, that she'll be found guilty of a lesser charge and probably not do life. Who knows. This whole case has been a mystery to me.
I wonder what theatrics will be displayed by any or all of the Anthony family when the verdict is read? I'm certain the judge will warn against any displays, but I look for something anyway, in spite of what he says.
This is something that's been bugging me: who does Casey's clothes? Who does the laundry, brings her clean clothes, shampoo and personal hygiene products, etc? She wears a different outfit each day so who is responsible for seeing to it that she's presentable, that she can take a shower, do her hair and makeup, etc?
At this point, I would assume it's her defense team providing it - telling her what to wear, how to fix her hair, etc. You notice that there's no jewelry or tight tops like she was accustomed to wearing, except for one day when they wanted to point out her non-existent belly bulge. Make her look plain and simple with those oxford type shirts and her hair pulled back. Doesn't even look like she has on makeup, other than some mascara. It's probably that lady lawyer that always sits next to her, making sure that she looks the part of Miss Innocent, as she appears to be playing the part of surrogate mother or big sister. Just a guess..........Quote:
Originally Posted by Medusa
Now that you mention it, I'm wondering the same thing Ellie. I've been watching Casey these past few days and her expression never seems to change, I can't help but wonder what's going through her mind as the jury decides her fate.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
There have been a lot of comparisons between this trial and OJ. I've noticed one big difference. Unlike Judge Ito, Judge Perry never lost control of the trial. He hasn't tolerated anything and has been pretty tough on both attorneys, he even said there may be sanctions against both after the trial. The Judge really came down on the spectator that gave the prosecutor half a peace sign.
Are George and Cindy there anywhere? I haven't seen either of them.
Yes, you're probably right. The female atty. that's so mothering to her could take a lesson or two on hair styling, that's for sure. Her hair looks like a dust mop.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
They have a verdict; it will be announced at 2:15.
OMG! She got off!!! :eek:
I wish I could say I'm surprised but I'm honestly not.
She did get found guilty of 3 counts of lying to law officers. Hopefully she will at least get some jail time for that. If she gets released I wonder if her parents will welcome her home. :( Specially since her mother could get 15 years for purgery.
There is no justice for poor Caylee, its a sad day.
and Casey is going to get rich off of this to boot :(
I hope there is a special place below being kept warm for her
Commentators are saying that she may only get time served b/c she's been in jail for 3 years already, so she may walk out of the court room on Thursday. However, given how Judge Perry is, he'll probably give her as much time as he can legally. As for Cyndi, they said that it's doubtful she'll get any jail time for perjury b/c people lie on the stand all the time and they don't have charges pressed against them.
Once I hear her sentencing on Thursday, I'm done w/HLN. Nancy Grace is Satan's mother as far as I'm concerned. I've never seen anyone so rude and arrogant and obnoxious as that woman. She cuts off her guests, she insults them and dismisses them. Jane Velez Mitchell is nearly as bad but she and Nancy are at loggerheads much of the time. I don't care if I never see their faces or hear their voices ever again.
She has always bugged me but I have watched her lately since I was in to the trial...yeah she is a drama queen for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Medusa
I can't help but wonder if the jury was just so sick of it all and wanting to get home that they let her go so they could get home. :love:
First OJ got off now Casie. What is our justice system coming to?
Thats what I was thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!
Another one gets away with murder.
And she'll probably walk away with whatever she gets sentenced to on Thursday with time served.
Sickening..........:mad:
Didnt know this thread was here :o
but yeah thats what my dad said about the jury too.
i never thought she'd get death but i am shocked she was found not guilty. how disgusting. how sad. a baby treated an thrown out like garbage an the b*tch walks free.
WHAT?? I thought she would be found GUILTY. I am just shaking my head. So who gets punished for killing that sweet Caylee?? Ans: NOBODY. This is not justice imo. Reasonable doubt to me means "use your brain and some common sense". Poor baby. I dont understand how Cindy Anthony could stand by Casey and lie for Casey. I believe Casey killed Caylee and have no doubts about it.
She didn't report her child missing...hello that is neglect thus child abuse.
Like was said - the jury just wanted to get the h&ll out of there and go home. Not one of them had the gumption to attend the press conference that was set up so that they could express why they voted the way they did. None of them wanted to be put in the hot seat. That alone speaks volumes in my book......:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
So, your child can die, and be found in a garbage bag months later, and you can be found not guilty of anything. Maybe the state should have come up with more, lesser charges...but what? Double parking? Well, Casey will have a tough time the rest of her life. She is an odd duck and will have many an opportunity to get in trouble again. She will. No matter where she lives, she will find trouble.
I hope her parents get their lives back to normal, if that is possible. They too seem odd, but Casey the oddest of the lot.
Another little child dies at the hands of a relative. Do I think she drown? Maybe. Then why not have a burial for her? Why toss her away? They buried their pets better than Caylee was treated.
I am surprised the jury came back with this verdict. Juries can do strange things. I have served on juries and I would NEVER want to be judged by a jury of my peers. NEVER!
If I understand correctly, the legal system has several different types of murder charges.
First Degree means it was premeditated. That's what OJ was charged with. They knew he killed her - the civil case proved that - but could not prove the PREMEDITATION. Had he been charged with manslaughter, I believe OJ would have been convicted of that.
Casey was also charged with first degree. The defense contended that the death was accidental. The jury went with that. Casey may be the lowest scum, but the defense did not want that to detract from the facts of the case, whatever they were.
The jury appears to have decided that the death was accidental, but that Casey and family totally screwed up by not telling the authorities.
JMO
Also isnt chloroform(SP?) abuse all in its own?Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
WOW!!!!
Since when is lying to the cops worse than a baby being killed? Granted, the jury didn't hear or see all the things we did during the trial. But what about the 31 days Caylee was missing and Casey led the party life? The jury knew about that. The videos from jail with Casey going off on Cindy as well as the conversations between all 3 of them spoke volumes. The jury saw them and heard them. Right from the start Casey covered one lie with another. The jury knew about that too. Just what did the jury consider? What factors led to the verdict? If not Casey, then who?
It was interesting that George and Cindy left immediately after the verdict never approaching Casey. I'm wondering if they'll make any comment at some point. Lee never showed up at all.
Caylee lost again.
You watch, Casey will sell the rights to "her" story and make a lot of money. She will finally live the good life she wants. Now she knows her lies let get her away with anything. :(
Yes - she could have been found guilty of the lesser charges - 2nd degree murder or aggravated manslaughter ( both of which she was also charged with) - but she was found not guilty on all 3 charges. The jury saw and heard plenty enough that she should have been found guilty of one of these. I never believed that she would be found guilty of 1st degree - but thought for sure one of the others would stick. Guess the jury had their heads up their butts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
Well - there are 3 people that know what happened - Casey, Caylee, and God - and one day Casey will have to face both of them.
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Originally Posted by sasvermont
LOL! I second that!
I hate the verdict. No wonder the jury wont speak to the media. What a 3 ring circus this whole trial was.
You took the words right out of my mouth and what beautiful kitties. Of course I think they are all beautiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
I think the jury's verdict was because, it is their job as jurists to prove - beyond a reasonable doubt - that the person is guilty of the crime. The prosecutors never even showed or gave any concrete evidence how Caylee died, everything was based on conjecture and supposition.
She WAS found guilty of lying to the authorities on 4 counts, hopefully the sentencing with be strong enough and include some clause that she not make any money from this whole thing, but I don't know if they can do that without a murder conviction.
The presence of chloroform was disputed, and no evidence was given that it was used on Caylee. The court of popular opinion and media hype is not the court of law.Quote:
Also isnt chloroform(SP?) abuse all in its own?
Yes, she did, that's what makes me sad about this whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by momcat
There was never any doubt that she never reported Caylee missing, and went out partying for 31 days and would have continued on longer than that, if Cindy hadn't nailed her! That's not child neglect/abuse????
If, as she contends, she thought Caylee was with the nanny and being taken care of, then it isn't, by law, neglect.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
The tricky thing about the law is you have to prove things. The American Way is innocent until proven guilty, not vice versa, for which we should all normally be thankful.
Do I believe the nanny story? No. Do I think she is innocent? No. But it's not about what we think or feel, it is about the case in court, and what was proven or disproven there.
It was shown that the nanny didn't even exist though.
Well, she does have another lawsuit pending. The one filed by the lady she accused of being the nanny who took Caylee was put on hold until the 'big' trial was over. Maybe they can whack her with something.