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I saw that last night too, and was shocked at his demeanor. He didn't appear to be the least bit upset. Maybe this shouldn't be too shocking tho, considering the allegations against him regarding the way he treated his kids, and MJ in particular.Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
I swore I responded to this thread, but I guess not.
Some of the comments on the news articles seriously sicken me. I've seen some that have said horrible things, and while I see there are some reasons not to like MJ, the last thing anyone deserves is a sudden and unexpected death. The life he has lead over the past decade wasn't what I'd call perfect, no, but who doesn't have problems and who doesn't make mistakes? I am glad he was given the respect he deserved here. I was at work when I heard about it, and my whole department(entertainment at Six Flags) was upset. I was not a major fan but his music was undeniable good and he was very talented. It's a sad loss for the world.
If it wasn't for the abuse his father put him through I would probably say different. He is the exception for what I believe. When people are greiving it isn't uncommon for them to smile and be happy in front of people. I know that I have way too much pride and dignity to cry in front of people and show any "weakness" in emotion in front of people and when Sassy died I only cried in front of 2 people. Maybe his Dad doesn't want to seem like that..although I didn't see the interview and am unaware if he was making jokes and the like. I don't know about this particular case, you'd think if he abused his kids he wouldn't really care about their deaths.Quote:
I saw that last night too, and was shocked at his demeanor. He didn't appear to be the least bit upset. Maybe this shouldn't be too shocking tho, considering the allegations against him regarding the way he treated his kids, and MJ in particular.
There are a lot of aspects about Michael's appearance and other issues that can be explained if you just look around and research a bit, and none of it is the sensationalist tabloid rumor crap. He never bleached his skin, he had vitiligo universalis and lupus. Vitiligo causes the skin pigmentation to become obliterated, and lupus medications can further that effect.
He had his first nose surgery done after he broke his nose after falling during a dance routine. He had his second surgery when scar tissue from the first was causing alterations in his voice. The surgeries were not done very well and he also became paranoid about his appearance (some believe he had a psychological disorder called body dysmorphic syndrome) and kept trying to "fix" it. He was somewhat anorexic because he was afraid of losing his 'dancing body' form. He was very mistreated and emotionally and physically abused by his father.
But there was a lot he did too. He was in the Guiness book of records for most charities given to by a pop star. When he was burned badly during a Pepsi commercial simulated concert. "PepsiCo settled a lawsuit out of court, and Jackson gave his $1.5 million settlement to the Brotman Medical Center in Culver City, California, where he had been treated, allowing the hospital to acquire the best available technology for treating severe burns; Brotman subsequently renamed its burn ward "Michael Jackson Burn Center" in his honor." (quoted from Taraborrelli, pp. 279–287, MJ biography).
Also stated in the biography:I think it can be said he had a very hard life and was both glorified and then made a mockery of by the media.Quote:
Jackson stated that he was physically and emotionally abused by his father from a young age, enduring incessant rehearsals, whippings and name-calling. However, he also credited his father's strict discipline as playing a large part in his success. In one altercation — later recalled by Marlon Jackson — Joseph held Michael upside down by one leg and "pummeled him over and over again with his hand, hitting him on his back and buttocks". Joseph would also trip or push his male children into walls. One night while Jackson was asleep, Joseph climbed into his room through the bedroom window. Wearing a fright mask, he entered the room screaming and shouting. Joseph said he wanted to teach his children not to leave the window open when they went to sleep. For years afterwards, Jackson said he suffered nightmares about being kidnapped from his bedroom. In 2003, Joseph admitted to the BBC that he had whipped Jackson as a child.
All of this talk about autopsies got me thinking. Does anyone remember several years ago the news topic that people were paying $$ ahead of time to have their bodies frozen at the time of their death. This was in the hope of a cure for whatever they had died from and then the ability to be "thawed" and brought back to be healed. I remember it being reported that Michael Jackson was planning to have his body frozen for this event and had paid in advance. How could anyone do an autopsy? Wouldn't that go against his wishes to be frozen and "resurrected?" Just sort of thinking out loud here....
I can find absolutely nothing to confirm that. Sounds like something from a tabloid. I did find this though:
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In 1986, the tabloid press ran a story claiming that Jackson slept in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber to slow the aging process; he was pictured lying down in a glass box. Although the claim was untrue, Jackson disseminated the fabricated story himself. The singer was promoting his upcoming film Captain EO and wanted to promote a science fiction image of himself.
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Jackson bought and befriended a pet chimpanzee called Bubbles, an act which extended his eccentric persona. In 2003, the singer claimed that Bubbles shared his toilet and cleaned his bedroom. Later, it was reported that Jackson bought the bones of The Elephant Man. Although untrue, it was a story that Jackson again disseminated to the tabloid press. These stories inspired the pejorative nickname "Wacko Jacko", which Jackson acquired the following year. He would eventually come to despise the nickname. Realizing his mistake, he stopped leaking untruths to the press. However due to the profit being made, the media began making up their own stories
From: http://music.msn.com/michael-jackson...ure/?gt1=28102Quote:
The '80s were Jackson's heyday, and it's accurate to view the decade as a simpler time. Celebrity journalism hadn't devolved into the lowest-common-denominator turkey shoot it is now. Rumors of Jackson's eccentricity -- a pet chimpanzee, a hyperbaric chamber, the Elephant Man's bones -- were spread playfully by Jackson himself. During this period, pop was in its primacy and Jackson truly was the king.
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson (with sourced footnotes)
[QUOTE=K9soul;2164483]I can find absolutely nothing to confirm that. Sounds like something from a tabloid.
It was a news item on an evening news report. It was not a tabloid. I quickly Googled and found this It mentions the cryonics but who knows if it is true.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2281150/posts
I heard it described on the weekend news as a 'peculiar' life. Not the word I'd have chosen. A troubled life, indeed. So much talent and then such a complex life. I wonder what will happen to his children? Did they ever figure out what caused his death?Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I'm sorry I should have been more specific, I meant I could find nothing to confirm he had truly paid out money to be frozen, etc. But it might have been one of the things he said, like the other things, that weren't really true. That site doesn't look like a legitimate news site to me... reminds me of the Onion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pam
ETA: The original article is taken from Daily Mail, which is considered a tabloid.
http://www.intowebmarketing.co.uk/we...aily-mail.htmlQuote:
It’s no wonder at all that Mail Online ranks no.1 for tabloid news sites in the United Kingdom. Everyone loves reading a tabloid and Mail Online does tabloid news beautifully.
ETA x2: I suppose we'll learn in time if he really is to be "plasticated" but it seems tabloidish and I can't find any mainstream news articles about it.
In the matter of a sudden and unexplained death, isn't it law that an autopsy is mandatory? So even if he had made these arrangements, law would have overruled wishes. It appears he can't get away from the law, even in death!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pam
Yes, autopsies are mandatory in all states if there is any indication of foul play. In most states, autopsies may also be ordered if there is a belief that the death represents a significant public health concern (such as from a threatening infectious disease), if a person inexplicably dies who was not under medical care, who was receiving medical care from a physician for less than 24 hours, or if a person dies from an injury, such as an automobile accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I have/had no idea about the legitimacy of the site I mentioned. I just Googled to see what was "out there" as I did remember very well the subject coming up on the evening news quite some time ago (we watch ABC for what it's worth) :) I had never heard of the plasticated idea until I came across the info on that site. For what it's worth, I don't care one way or the other. Just wondered how you could do an autopsy if the person wanted to be frozen to *come back* later.Quote:
Originally Posted by K9soul
There is so much speculation out there right now, i guess we might never know what really happened, i know that MJ had a fixation with Elvis,isn't that why they said he married his daughter,maybe his death is connected to that who really knows.
My main concern is for his children, there is so much happening there, first we hear his nanny and the granny are after custody, would the nanny have any rights to those children, i found that strange in itself, and now they are saying Debbie Rowe is consulting her lawyers.
I hate the thought of his father having anything to do with his children, he was a horrible man and an abuser, i have not heard anything regarding his mother though, she has been granted temporary guardianship for now i believe, i guess this is going to get nasty and i really feel for those three children.
Every picture i have seen of Joe Jackson he is smiling, hardly displaying the grieving father for sure, i do not like the man one bit.
As for MJ i really don't think he abused those children, he was indeed a strange guy,and in his innocence he seemed to think it ok to share a bed with kids and thought it a loving thing to do, a man of his age should have known better, but he did not seem to,i guess he never really grew up, i tend to believe this version and that he was not an abuser, i hope i am right.
Everyone seems to comment that he was a tortured soul, but was he? i wonder.
I guess there will be a lot more media attention going on with this and we shall just have to wait and see what happens.
My husband and I were talking on the phone the evening that the news broke about his death (I was vacationing with my family at the beach and he was unable to be there). He told me that his first thought was, "The King of Pop is meeting the King of Kings". What a beautiful thought in the midst of all the speculation and craziness. :love:
That's a beautiful thought. Thanks for sharing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logan
Is Priscilla Presley the mother of the children? And if not, who is?
Does she (whoever she is) have any right to custody of the children?
I think the mom of the kids is a lady named Debbie Rowe.
She was the assistant of Jackson's detrmatologist who he ended up marrying not long after his divorce from Presley. I think she signed away her right to custody when the kids were little and they eventually divorced too.
No - Debbie Rowe is the mother of the 2 oldest. She was a nurse and MJ was married to her for a time. Nobody seems to know who the mother of the youngest is - MJ never revealed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by phesina
I would think that DR would have more right to the children than MJ's parents, but I'll bet she's still going to be in for a long and difficult battle if she files to take custody. I sure wouldn't want to see those kids raised by the likes of MJ's father - as abusive as he was to his own kids. :(
Michaels mother and father have been estranged for 10 years so he would not be raising them if the mother gets them, he lives in Las Vegas.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I didn't know that - just know that he's evil - IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
And that poor woman is 79 years old, so I imagine the rest of the clan would end up with the kids anyway. I just hope it doesn't turn into a battle, for the sake of the kids.
He named Diana Ross as second to his mother to care for the children.
i seriously wonder if Dianna Ross would want to take on three children at her age, she is older than me, but of course she would have nannies i suppose, he obviously trusted his mother, and i am relieved and glad to hear that Joe Jackson and her are not together, i never knew that either.
I heard another rumour that Debbie Rowe said she was not the mother of the children,don't know where that came from and yes we never knew who was the mother of the youngest child.
i watched his rehearsel video, gosh one would never think two days later he would be dead, it seems to me to be drug related for sure, whether her over dosed accidentally or on purpose who really knows,and will we ever i wonder.
Hollywierd scuttlebut is the Jackson Memorial Service will have a $25 cover charge, T-shirts will be sold outside of the venue, and 700+ cops for crowd controll.
Disregaurding all the pedo charges over the years, I find this distasteful.
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Originally Posted by blue
Don't believe everything you hear. I have heard it will be free, and the family will be giving away the tickets. It being Los Angeles, I am sure there will be plenty of "entrepreneurs" packing the site trying to sell any souvenir they can manage to produce. And no amount of police presence is going to be able to prevent that. Good or bad, his life was a media circus, and I am sure his death will continue to cause one.
If I believed it I wouldnt have called it scuttlebut. Even if the Memorial is free, I find it distastefull that some will try to profit on Jacksons death by selling souvenirs outside of the venue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
I also hope the scuttlebut about the extra police officers is wrong as well.
I spent the day at the Jersey shore yesterday and the MJ t-shirts were already on the boardwalk, one saying "The Thrill(er) is gone." Thankfully I saw no one buying them or wearing them. I was amazed the year that Elvis died. We were on vacation in Williamsburg, Va and within hours of his death there were t-shirts for sale. Death is a moneymaker for some for sure. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
That's the name of the drug found recently in MJ's house.
Lovely drug - I can say that because I've had it.
When I had my carpal tunnel surgery in March, I was given 3 drugs to put me out. Fentanyl, Versed and Propofol. The Anesthesiologist told me that Diprivan would cause me to wake up with a smile on my face - and it did.
It's not a drug commonly found in people's medicine cabinets - because it can only be given intravenously. And it doesn't make one sleep - it makes one comatose. There is a difference.
You know, I feel bad for the family and everyone else concerned. I've never been a fan of Michael Jackson although I recognize that he had a talent that no one else has or ever will have. It will be years before they let him RIP.:(
That being said, I'm sick of hearing about him already and it's only be over a week. I think I'll turn my attention to the food channel.
you know i guess we all do get sick of hearing about him, but in some ways it keeps his memory alive longer, what i mean by that is ,someone dies and then you don't hear about them again, seems like they are simply forgotten so quickly, although i know some of it is not good things we are hearing, i still find it interesting, he was a complex individual it seems, and i actually want to know more about him.
As for people making money out of his death, well there is always someone out there ready to make a quick buck,that's life i guess, but yes it is somewhat distastful i guess, but then the fans are the people who will buy the t shirts, and i am sure they are more than happy that they are available, i would be if i were a fan, anyhow thats my take on it.
At the end of the day, people wouldn't produce/sell stuff if people wouldn't buy it! Same is true of the media. Everyone complains but it's supply and demand on it's most basic level. If the public didn't demand it, there would be no market. You can't have it both ways. RIP MJ.
you hit the nail on the head there, so right.
Now there's the memorial service on tv. Anyone watching?
Kirsten
Not me. I figure I'll check in here from time to time and find out when it's safe to turn the TV on again :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirsten
:o Nope me Not watching.. I will sneak around the channels this evening just to avoid it all..Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace
My grandson is watching, so I glance at it when I walk by, or in between chores. Like him or not, it's still sad. Unfortunately MJ played with fire and paid the ultimate price. I wonder how many of his doctors will end up losing their license over this? :( I hope MJ paid them well and made it worth their while, since whoever administered whatever caused his death, will have that on his conscience, and will have to live with it for the rest of his life.
Not watching either. I'm sorry for the man and hope he is at peace but I'm tired it. :love:
Well, it seems it's on at least 10 different channels over here! I'm not really watching, but checking in from time to time... Also, I'm not sure what to think about all this... :confused:
Kirsten
Try living out here in the LOTEA!
Every effing newsprogram starts and ends with the 'news'.
All the people who rode his coattails have come crawling from the woodworks
to talk about him. NO effing class-at least wait until the body is under ground?
The mayor and police chief are another set of AHs. Now they are complaining about the cost- 4+ million dollars for all the cops, FD and city services.
They opened up a paypal acct for donations to off set the cost.
I thought he was o.k. I never bought an album, but my toe tapped to some of his tunes. All the hoopla is probably deserved, the guy WAS popular, but the way people have been using his death for some personal benefit is very distubing and sad!
I don't have a tv at my office, but I am listening to it on the xm satellite CNN site on the computer and my husband is recording it at home for me. The live feed on the computer starts and stops so much that it is easier to just listen on the xm radio on CNN. I have really watched a lot of stuff on the tv when I could. It will start dying down soon enough, I suppose (no pun intended), but this whole thing has been way bigger than I ever thought it would be. My heart has hurt for tragic ending of what could have been a really, really good life.
I feel sorry for you Richard living out there in the hub of it all. :) I never bought any of his albums but my hubby did. I forgot about the service today and just came home from work and it is on every major channel. I don't remember this much fuss over Elvis. Was there?Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Not sure about Elvis - but there were no cable channels back then.
But remember when Princess Diana died. Another case of the world coming to a stop. Didn't understand it then; still don't understand.