Pitbulls ??Aggression, Fact or Not???

[QUOTE=caseysmom]Which county were you referring to borzoimom?
There were 3 all in the same area of the blue ridge. ttp://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4697743 thats the first one, here is the second one ( keep in mind all in a 20 miles radius but same area of the blue ridge county) http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geusaDlk...06/326586.html , and my friends was in the local page and its archived but they said they would send it to me on email.
All this in a 40 mile blue ridge range and all the counties banned pits this past summer because of it. It mentions 4 breeds or mixes there of..

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Originally Posted by Heather78418

I dont mind the positive at all if we can keep the negetive to a minimum it would be wonderful. I just read about borzoimoms friend . I am sorry about what happened to her but if she let her dogs run loose like that , then she was asking for problems. That was neglecting her resposibilities. Here where I live your dogs have to be kept in fenced yard. And if not in that yard then on a leash. Its funny how the dogs were loose on several occasions. I am sorry about your friend.

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I'm sorry about her friend also its a very sad thing that didn't have to happen. Ebony is NEVER allowed out of the fence unless I'm with her then she's on a leash. I do let her off at the ball field to play with her frisbee she has really good recall also, the field is fenced in.

Lol, caseysmom, Casey is adorable looks like my house. ;)

caseysmom,

Casey is adorable!! :D

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Originally Posted by Jadapit

I'm sorry about her friend also its a very sad thing that didn't have to happen. Ebony is NEVER allowed out of the fence unless I'm with her then she's on a leash. I do let her off at the ball field to play with her frisbee she has really good recall also, the field is fenced in.

Lol, caseysmom, Casey is adorable looks like my house. ;)

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I am sorry for her too. I few years back a friend of mine for a borzoi because she loved buddy. She didnt have any cats at the time.
anyway- one day she rescued a cat.. I was like ohoh.. uhhhhhhhh christian- this is worrying me- she said ohhhhhhhhhhh nooooo Brandy is fine... I still thought ohhhhhhhhhh noooooooo but I wasnt there and figured things well could be okay... Two weeks later I got a phone call with tears- caller id or not- I knew who it was- the dog ran the cat down in the yard.... I fought saying 'well sighthounds cant be with cats- few are cat safe- instead just listened to her sobbing telling me about her cat she had worked sooooooooooooo hard to save...
I feel the same way now. I figured if anyone knew about how to handle a dog, it would have been my friend. Even met the dog several times, got angry with her when they wouldnt let it join the therapy groups because of the breed etc etc.. Then this.. And allllllllll she does is sit and ask why ... why...

I know I keep asking you this but was your friends pittie in a fence yard when this happened?

The article clearly says the dogs roamed the neighborhood.

http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4697743

once again pitties are paying the price for stupid people.

During the trial, witnesses testified that Large's pit bulls menaced the neighborhood. Animal control officers had taken two of the dogs away in 2004 after they were accused of killing a kitten.

At one point, Large had 13 pit bulls living in her doublewide trailer, a detective testified.

I am sorry for her, but her dogs hould not have been loose. I have two cats and they dont even go outside without a leash. Like I tell my children , Pets are a resposibility that they have to accept if they want them. Then they have to respect them and what they are capable of. My oldest daughter is eight. She is very smart. She has actually looked into the pros and cons on the internet and everything. She overheard me and her dad talking about the breed and couldn't understand why he didn't like them.She knows that every dog large or small can be aggressive. It doesnt matter on the breed, There isn't one out there that is documented as non biting. Pitties are just in the media more. And the only reason that is , is because irresponsible owners give thema bad name. Now, if an eight year old can understand that ,then why cant everyone else.:( :confused:

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

The article clearly says the dogs roamed the neighborhood.

http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4697743

once again pitties are paying the price for stupid people.

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I think her friend that had the pit bull was out doing yard work when a lady and her dog walked by. The pit bull went after the dog, the lady tried to break them up and she was bit by the pit bull. I'm pretty sure the lady wasn't killed. I keep wondering if the pittie was out in the yard with the owner without being fenced? I'm getting so confused on which lady is her friend...

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

During the trial, witnesses testified that Large's pit bulls menaced the neighborhood. Animal control officers had taken two of the dogs away in 2004 after they were accused of killing a kitten.

At one point, Large had 13 pit bulls living in her doublewide trailer, a detective testified.

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I read the same thing. How can it not be her fault?? If she was a trainer she should have known better.

At one point, Large had 13 pit bulls living in her doublewide trailer, a detective testified.

Good grief! Why would anyone have that many pit bulls at once? I imagine there was a lot of inbreeding going on and the blood lines could be awful. That right there is asking for trouble. In the end it's almost always the owners fault when these awful attacks happen. Like you said "stupid owners" then the pit bulls are hated and pay the price. :(

The jury also learned that Large had two prior felony convictions--for a hit-and-run in Caroline County in 1999 and aggravated sexual battery involving a 12-year-old boy in Spotsylvania the previous year

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Originally Posted by borzoimom

I am sorry for her too. I few years back a friend of mine for a borzoi because she loved buddy. She didnt have any cats at the time.
anyway- one day she rescued a cat.. I was like ohoh.. uhhhhhhhh christian- this is worrying me- she said ohhhhhhhhhhh nooooo Brandy is fine... I still thought ohhhhhhhhhh noooooooo but I wasnt there and figured things well could be okay... Two weeks later I got a phone call with tears- caller id or not- I knew who it was- the dog ran the cat down in the yard.... I fought saying 'well sighthounds cant be with cats- few are cat safe- instead just listened to her sobbing telling me about her cat she had worked sooooooooooooo hard to save...
I feel the same way now. I figured if anyone knew about how to handle a dog, it would have been my friend. Even met the dog several times, got angry with her when they wouldnt let it join the therapy groups because of the breed etc etc.. Then this.. And allllllllll she does is sit and ask why ... why...

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not ALL hounds eat cats. :rolleyes:

oh yeah, be scared. my dog is gonna eat my cats alright.. :rolleyes:
with Tiger..
http://luvofallhorses.zoto.com/img/4...18de3183a-.jpg


with Miagi..
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...6/f3a1a655.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...c/f3a1a14c.jpg

AND he was cuddling with Miagi earlier. I trust him with my cats and I doubt he'd ever kill them. He shows NO interest in killing them and he NEVER will!

The lady died protecting her dog. That is something I can see myself doing. I just pray to God that I don't ever have to be in that situation with any type of dog. That poor lady and that poor little dog. May they rest in peace. :(

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

The jury also learned that Large had two prior felony convictions--for a hit-and-run in Caroline County in 1999 and aggravated sexual battery involving a 12-year-old boy in Spotsylvania the previous year

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Real nice responsible person there. There always seems to be two sides to a story when it comes to pit bulls and their owners. There are a LOT of people in this world that have NO business owning the breed period..... People like this person IS the reason they are being banned.

its just sad- and what do I tell my friend? ... I hate to say this, but I was blown away. I thought you know the lady did something to the dog- I am afraid not...
Our area has been boomed with these accounts. I am soooooooooo glad I live on a mountain, with noooooooooooooo neighbors for miles.. etc etc.. Maybe you guys could send her cards? If I ask her and she said okay, would you???? she realllllllly feels awful like this is alllllllllll her fault. I reallly dont believe it is... Mention nothing of how good the breed is- just support for her.. Would you?? ( if she says okay...)

No thanks, I think she deserves to be in jail.

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

No thanks, I think she deserves to be in jail.

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She didnt do anything wrong. I couldnt find her story. She was a top trainer with top dogs in obedience etc. She had nothing to do with the other two stories- hers was just the last in a bad series. She was a devote member of our church, married etc. Had her dogs in social work etc... How can you say she deserves to be in jail? Her dog attacked someone going over a fence for no reason? A wonderful outstanding person... she isnt one of those two I posted- those were the two that broke the camels back. ... How can you say that? Lovely lady...

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Originally Posted by Jadapit

I know I keep asking you this but was your friends pittie in a fence yard when this happened?

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Yes- the dog went over a 4 foot high fence.. never did it before but did.. She was in the yard gardening her flowers..

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

The article clearly says the dogs roamed the neighborhood.

http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4697743

once again pitties are paying the price for stupid people.

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Thats not my friend- those were the other two stories that finalized the banning of pit type in this county and area..
I am waiting for the local paper to send me the link. It was archived. I will have it soon.

I think that an entire breed should not be penalized for the acts of a few dogs -- and yes, I say few, because the media tends to analyze only the attacks of a few different breeds and either does not write about the others, or does not mention the breed. It took me ages to find out what breed mauled it's owner so bad she needed a face transplant -- it was her pet labrador retriever. If it was a pit bull, every article would say so right in the headline.

Pit bulls are starting to go out anyways. Now we have cane corsos and fila mastiffs. They will always retain someowhat of a reputation, but maybe they will get some of the good back, like the German shepherds did. Let's not forget that several other breeds have had this happen before -- we go through it every decade. We had the German shepherd dog, the doberman, the rottweiler -- now we have the pit bull. Is it purely coincedence that at the time there was a string of attacks a bunch of lowlifes were suddenly owning them? I think not! Nobody sets out to make a bad breed. People ruin breeds. That's all there is to it. And in this society, it is all too easy to ruin something good.

I had an American pit bull terrier when I was five. He was a lovely dog. He grew old, died at 15 of cancer. Never once did he harm a soul.

As screwed up as my breed is, I hope I never have to hear falsities about it like some of the "facts" that are being stated. Yes, alot of Belgians are "spooky," "freaky," "shy-sharp.".....But not all of them are, and mine certainly aren't.

People dont understand my breed either. They dont fawn over people and they call them stuck up.. But they arent.. They just know who mom is...

Borziomom I thought you said you were done with this thread like 3 pages back. Why are you still posting?

If you dont like Pit Bulls stay away from the Pit Bull related threads, we dont need another ILOVETHATCOLLIE on here one is enough. Your not going to change our minds because we know the truth sadly you dont so keep your
negative thoughts to yourslef PT is a positive place.

Im sure alot of people right now would like to bash Borzois to let you know how it feels to have only negative thoughts being thrown at you about a breed you love,but on here we keep our mean comments to ourselves.

Obviously your friend wasnt a responsible owner if she had only a four foot fence. If she had researched the breed like your supposed to BEFORE you get a dog she would know how high Pit Bulls can jump, especially when they are jumping up for the spring pole. Maybe her dog smelled another dog in heat and thats why he jumped the fence. Either way tis her fault.
Donna is just a perfect example of what a Pit Bull owner should be and if they were all like her there would be no stupid BSL towards these dogs.
Look how high this Pitty can jump for the Spring Pole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hVxqRuTu6U

You said how Pitties dont release there grip..wich wouldnt you be classifying that as "Lock jaw"? because that isnt true at all. Its a myth. Yes they have stronger jaws but they just like EVERY dog can be trained to release. I have watched shows where police officers have said they would choose a Pit Bull as a dog for the squad over a German Sheperd because they are more loyal and sweet etc.

Moral of this thread, keep your comments about Pit Bulls to yourself unless they are positive.

I never said I dont like pits. I am looking for answers just like you are.. I want answers- why is a totally normal pet and trained like my friends dog, why does this happen??? I am looking for answers just like you.
I am still waiting for the link from our local paper on my friends... YOu read this it will make you cry...

some dogs aren't wired right due to bad breeding and it could have been that. I don't know I just think there is more to this story..

Brozoimom, there are no answers. Without a necropsy, and a more complete understanding of the canine brain than we currently have, we will never know.

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Originally Posted by Karen

Brozoimom, there are no answers. Without a necropsy, and a more complete understanding of the canine brain than we currently have, we will never know.

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The necropsy showed nothing. I just wish I knew. I have to go see her tomorrow.. I am trying to help but I have nooooooooooo answers.. I mean she was like one of the top trainers in our area- ... I just dont understand.. I just dont..

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Originally Posted by Jadapit

I know I keep asking you this but was your friends pittie in a fence yard when this happened?

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yes went over a 4 foot fence.. never did it before..

Maybe the dog was inbred

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Originally Posted by buttercup132

Maybe the dog was inbred

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no... she wasnt.. She was out of the one of the top showing breeders, had the best puppyhood, and treasured as a member of a household ...
I thought there must have been a brain shunt or something- but nothing came back...

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Originally Posted by luvofallhorses

well I guess we'll never know. I just seriously think there is more to this story, but that's just me.

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I am afraid not. Even the dog she attacked was not an intact dog.. None of this made any sense... None of it...

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Pitbulls ??Aggression, Fact or Not???
I grew up with the breed because thats all my dad wanted. The only way he would buy them was if they were registered. The problem is . I want one but my hsband has bought into all of the media hype about them. I have tried to explain its all in how they are raised but he is petrified. I was hoping that if he saw some positive responses on here it would help.. I would appreciate any responses.
Heather

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OK here's my two cents and I'm afraid it isn't on the positive note. Steele my Blue Merle Collie has a brother named Remington. Obviously brothers Remington Steele. Now you know where he gets his name. Anyhow, Remi lived in a house hold with multiple dogs and one was a Pit. The loving family pet Pittbull we are accustomed too. But one day in the back yard for no reason the pit snapped and literally tore off the bottom jaw of Remi. Yes this beautiful collie had to be put down. Farse? or uncontrollable aggression?
No one knows. The friendly family Pit was then removed from the house hold.
It's not that just this breed can snap, but its the power of the bite and the passion of this breed to hold onto and finish what he started till the very end resulting in the worst of injuries or death.
I know people who have pits, I give them hugs and belly rubs like any other dog, but I will never ever have one in my house hold just for the reason of the POSSIBILITY of this breed snapping. The last thing I would want to do is to intervene while this Pit is having a death grip on a nother dog for it to turn on me or my kids.
This is my point of view.

Thats my point- my friends dog wasnt from a trailer park or badly raised or socialized badly etc- in fact highly trained - had two obedience titles- a Cd and CDX and yet one day for noooooooooooooooooo reason jumped a fence in a place she was use to seeing other dogs and attacked terribly a spayed dog, and then turned on the owner that tried to save her dog.. Something is not right here in the brains of these dogs... Even noooooooooo pd in a concentrated area will use these breeds in PD because they can not NOT GET THE DOG to stop an attack... Its like- once the attack starts, they can not stop... Something is wrong here- and it scares me... I knew my friends dog, even tried to help her get the dog passed into therapy work when they said the breed was not accepted- only to have it COME BACK MY FACE that the breeds are not reliable enough... I hate to admit this- but they were right... Once a "pit " starts a fight , it will finish and the jaw pressure is deadly... totally.. deadly...

[QUOTE=MajesticCollies] Remi lived in a house hold with multiple dogs and one was a Pit. The loving family pet Pittbull we are accustomed too. But one day in the back yard for no reason the pit snapped and literally tore off the bottom jaw of Remi.

The breed can be dog aggressive.Even in a home where two dogs get along for a long time,it can happen.They should never be left alone with any dog.It is the way they are and people who don't know this should not own them.Those are the people who think this would never happen to my dog.They grew up together.(dogs don't think like that)



but its the power of the bite and the passion of this breed to hold onto and finish what he started till the very end resulting in the worst of injuries or death.


APBT don't have any more pressure in their bite then any other big dog.

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Originally Posted by borzoimom

Thats my point- my friends dog wasnt from a trailer park or badly raised or socialized badly etc- in fact highly trained - had two obedience titles- a Cd and CDX and yet one day for noooooooooooooooooo reason jumped a fence in a place she was use to seeing other dogs and attacked terribly a spayed dog, and then turned on the owner that tried to save her dog.. Something is not right here in the brains of these dogs... Even noooooooooo pd in a concentrated area will use these breeds in PD because they can not NOT GET THE DOG to stop an attack... Its like- once the attack starts, they can not stop... Something is wrong here- and it scares me... I knew my friends dog, even tried to help her get the dog passed into therapy work when they said the breed was not accepted- only to have it COME BACK MY FACE that the breeds are not reliable enough... I hate to admit this- but they were right... Once a "pit " starts a fight , it will finish and the jaw pressure is deadly... totally.. deadly...

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Again your friends dog was not as APBT but and Am.Staff.This thread is about APBT's.
Your friend must not have known about the breed and it's standard or she would have known that they can be dog aggressive.I watch my dogs all the time and don't let strange dogs near them.It is better toooooooo be safe then sorry.If your friend know what she was doing it might not have happened.

*nods nods* I agree with rutylr on everything!

MY FRIEND knew exactly and was out to prove them wrong... you want her mail address at the jail???? IN MY MIND totally qualified to take on a breed that had or could have issues- totally... noooooooooooooo kidding..
Look- I am not bashing the breeds- i am saying you better have things in place- insurance, etc to cover yourself.. this is very very very serious....

[QUOTE] rutylr

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Originally Posted by MajesticCollies

Remi lived in a house hold with multiple dogs and one was a Pit. The loving family pet Pittbull we are accustomed too. But one day in the back yard for no reason the pit snapped and literally tore off the bottom jaw of Remi.

The breed can be dog aggressive.Even in a home where two dogs get along for a long time,it can happen.They should never be left alone with any dog.It is the way they are and people who don't know this should not own them.Those are the people who think this would never happen to my dog.They grew up together.(dogs don't think like that)

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So Basically you are saying the Pitbull is DANGEROUS to have in your house. who would want a dog that you could not trust if you leave them alone?

Its not worth it to me... I saw the cost emotionally and money- its not worth it.. something is in the brain that is not a physical fault that the dog wont stop until it kills... Its JUST NOT WORTH it to me... just not....
Now you pit lovers- what should I say to my friend tomorrow??? This was a properly raised dog, wonderful- the " snap" is not even the brain- its like instinct as the two vets that exaimed the body... etc with allllllllllll the tests paid for by the state..... Its like living with a wild animal- you JUST NEVER know ever ever ever... Its in there... you just never know when the dragon will rear its head... and you need to know that... dont come back later and tell us stories of problems with this- you brought it on yourself.. YOU DID it- you took the breed in... YOU DID IT...

Thanks, so when my dog attacks me I'll know It's was all MY FAULT. Even though he's give his life for me and vice versa. Looks like I'll be needing the ignore feature.