I have faith in God too, and I believe it is He who gave doctors the knowledge to research about genetics and medical problems. I did a quick search on google, and many links came up about cancer and bunnies who are not spayed or neutered.
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I have faith in God too, and I believe it is He who gave doctors the knowledge to research about genetics and medical problems. I did a quick search on google, and many links came up about cancer and bunnies who are not spayed or neutered.
If the reproductive organ is not there, they will not get cancer there. Period. I never said that spaying/neutering would prevent cancer from occuring in *other* parts of the body.Quote:
Unspayed female rabbits have a very high risk of uterine, ovarian and mammary cancers. Some reports state that more than 80% of unspayed, unbred female rabbits will develop uterine/ovarian cancer by the age of three years.
If you have a pet rabbit and you want it to be with you for longer than five years (the expected life span of an unspayed bunny) then yes, getting a bunny spayed will prevent cancer. If you remove the uterus of a rabbit, then the chances of getting uterine cancer is eliminated. Obviously you can't spay breeding rabbits, but for people who have them as pets, and want to have them a long time, why just let the bunny get cancer? I don't think God designed rabbits to die, but perhaps He has given people the knowledge that unspayed bunnies can get cancer within a short lifespan for a reason too. You can't deny that bunnies are more prone to cancer after reading up on it. Clearly they are, that is why people with companion rabbits get them spayed or neutered.
Well, as long as we're going down this line of thought let's remove all of the other unnecessary bits. That tail, for example....I've seen an awful lot of injuries to it, so let's prevent those by removing it. Those ears, especially on some of the large lops, are too big and prone to infection and tearing. Let's remove half of them to prevent this.
If someone is breeding their rabbit wisely, carefully, and to a good end, I see no reason to alter the rabbit. I had a Mini Lop doe for nine years, outdoors, who was not altered. She lived in good health (Except for one non-feeding scare, but the cause of that was quickly found and fixed) and happiness for all of those nine years, right up until the last few days.
"sigh" It seems that you aren't understanding my point. I never said people shouldn't spay/neuter their pets and that doing so won't help them. I just said that I don't believe its a "cause" of cancer. Of course removing a part will make it impossible for cancer to develop in an area that doesn't exist, but I was saying, that part is not the "cause" for cancer, as cancer can develop anywhere. A spayed rabbit can develop cancer in another part and die young, so its not a guarantee your pet will die at an older age. Again I never said people shouldn't do it. :p I just don't take that particular reason as the main issue. :)
I have faith in God, and if God has decided for a pet to get cancer and die young, that will happen whether the pet is spayed or not. On the other hand, if God wants an animal to live a long healthy, free of cancer life, that animal will live for as long as God wills, whether it is altered or not.
I agree, but I do believe that some parts can be more prone to cancer, correct? I'm not saying that just because a rabbit has a uterus that means the bunny will have cancer.. hehe.. you are right there I'm not saying the uterus causes cancer but it seems like the uterus in bunnies is very prone to cancer.Quote:
Originally posted by popcornbird
I was saying, that part is not the "cause" for cancer
And Wolf Chan, you don't need to be rude. PCB and I apparently didn't quite get our points across to each other, but I think we've been polite and respectful. Hopefully what I have just said will be more clear!! :D And if you read what I said, I was talking about spaying COMPANION rabbits.. not ones being used for breeding. And from what Equine said, I think she is a very dilligent and responsible breeder, who cares very much for her rabbits health and well being. The "line of thought" you decided to read into this never existed, and your post about removing tails and ears really doesn't fit here.
I never said that it "caused" cancer...just that not having it there would "prevent" it from happening in that particular organ. I may be wrong, but I thought cancer of the reproductive organs was fairly common.
And I don't recall ever mentioning anything about spaying animals used for breeding either.
Yep Nomilynn! Finally! Yay, you got it! "clap clap" :D
BTW, I don't think Wolfchan posted rudely, but oh well. :confused:
Amy, if you read over my posts, you should get what I'm saying, ok?
I'm not confused here, and I get what you are saying....I have been saying the same thing all along. I think you are the one confused by what I'm saying. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by popcornbird
Yay, you got it! "clap clap" :D
BTW, I don't think Wolfchan posted rudely, but oh well. :confused:
Amy, if you read over my posts, you should get what I'm saying, ok?
I just took offense to WolfChan's post because it seems as though it is implying that I am in favour of removing "all of the other unnecessary bits" and that is NEVER what I said!!
LOL! I think we're both confused. ;) Oh well. :pQuote:
Originally posted by wolf_Q
I'm not confused here, and I get what you are saying....I have been saying the same thing all along. I think you are the one confused by what I'm saying. ;)
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Yes, but spaying can prevent cancer from happening if those parts are not even there for cancer to form in.
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If the reproductive organ is not there, they will not get cancer there. Period. I never said that spaying/neutering would prevent cancer from occuring in *other* parts of the body.
See...I said the same thing every time. ;)Quote:
I never said that it "caused" cancer...just that not having it there would "prevent" it from happening in that particular organ. I may be wrong, but I thought cancer of the reproductive organs was fairly common.
LOL. Oh well. ;);)
BTW, I LOVE your new sig!
Thanks! :D
Good morning all....
I am an avid believer in spaying and neutering dogs and cats simply because most people can't be responsible enough to watch their pets and take responsible actions to prevent accidental breedings. Even the best of breeders will be "victimized" by the neighbors' loose dog(s) that has come to pay the prize winning bitch that is in heat a visit and manage to tie her through the fence, or their queen slips out the door when she is in a raging heat and gets caught by the neighbors toms that are hanging around like vultures.
Shasta and Ashely, my dogs have had wonderful, healthy lives (8 1/2 and 4 years) intact. I know their heat cycles well enough to predict when it is going to be a problem, and I take measures to prevent them being exposed when that time comes. The only reason why Shasta had, as you will read in another post, a uterine infection after all these years, I feel, was the people who were watching her for me over the last 5 months refused to feed her the way I wanted her fed, and she was eating processed food, tons of non organic table scraps, stuff dogs shouldn't even eat like chocolate and candy from the kids, and God knows what else. Her whole immune system was comprimised. In a way, I feel God made sure she came home at the right time, cause they never would have realized she had an infection until it probably would have been too late.
I have also had many, many (over 75) cats in my life, and most of them were not spayed, but I neutered most of the males (mostly to prevent spraying, but also to keep them home). When those females come in heat, they stay HOME, until I know they are done. I have only had a couple of occasions where that darn queen slipped out the door, thanks to the toddlers.
:rolleyes:
As for the cancer issue, I think that man trying to alter what God originally created is what is causing alot of our disease and cancer trouble. Perhaps the rabbits are considered to be so prone to cancer (even though in all the rabbits I have had, which were ALOT, I have never had one die from cancer) is because they are being bred so heavily for certain perpouses and their natural health is being comprimised? I know alot of purebred dogs are prone to certain cancers, and each breed has specific areas that need to be watched. There is so much linebreeding and inbreeding when developing breeds, I wonder how the over all health is comprimised.
Thank you all for the comments on my responses to this. To be honest, I pray before I answer, especially the really upset posts. I understand, and respect their concerns. I am not saying anyone is necessarily right or wrong. Just my experiences and my understanding of how God has things made gives me the convictions that I have about life and God's creatures.:)