Arizona immigration law

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

The Prez was able to solve the health care reform?!?!?!?

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He did? I see a bigger boondoggle the the 2 wars we are fighting right now.

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I am sure he can work a miracle for Immi Laws and then have time for the Oil Slick in the Gulf...

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ShrubCo at least did a fly over 2 days after Katrina. Barry waits 8 days to say, "we're working on it".

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Originally Posted by blue

Barry waits 8 days to say, "we're working on it".

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What do you expect him to do? 8 days ago, they had no idea the fail safes had not worked, never mind that the well would continue to pump without a working pump to extract oil ... the situation has been evolving each day.

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Originally Posted by Karen

What do you expect him to do? 8 days ago, they had no idea the fail safes had not worked, never mind that the well would continue to pump without a working pump to extract oil ... the situation has been evolving each day.

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They expected ShrubCo to avert hurricane Katerina. Never mind the fact that the .GOV cannot control the weather.

There must not be enough illegal immigrants in LA to warrant BO's attention.

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Originally Posted by blue

There must not be enough illegal immigrants in LA to warrant BO's attention.

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El Lay or LA?:confused:;)

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I was being facetious about the government intervention, every crisis is different, but the criticism should be even.:eek:;)

Warren Zevon lives!

OT, but the DC answer to the oil slick?

Send Lawyers:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Guns:

INTERIOR DEPARTMENT:
The department deployed SWAT teams from the Minerals Management Service to inspect 30 drilling rigs operating in the deepwater sections of the Gulf of Mexico. Inspections should be completed within the next week, according to an Interior Department spokeswoman.

Inspectors will check to see whether the rigs have conducted blow-out preventer tests and inspect related records, the spokeswoman said. The teams will also verify that emergency well control exercises are taking place. Inspectors will then inspect 47 deep-water production platforms in the gulf, a process that will take longer than rig inspections because of the complexities of the structures.


And DC is involved, so you know money isn't too far behind!

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Originally Posted by Lady's Human

Warren Zevon lives!

OT, but the DC answer to the oil slick?

Send Lawyers:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Guns:

INTERIOR DEPARTMENT:
The department deployed SWAT teams from the Minerals Management Service to inspect 30 drilling rigs operating in the deepwater sections of the Gulf of Mexico. Inspections should be completed within the next week, according to an Interior Department spokeswoman.

Inspectors will check to see whether the rigs have conducted blow-out preventer tests and inspect related records, the spokeswoman said. The teams will also verify that emergency well control exercises are taking place. Inspectors will then inspect 47 deep-water production platforms in the gulf, a process that will take longer than rig inspections because of the complexities of the structures.


And DC is involved, so you know money isn't too far behind!

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Poor lawyers, do you know what crude does to wingtips?


SWAT?:confused::rolleyes:

I guess psychiatrists could be next??
:D

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Originally Posted by Karen

What do you expect him to do? 8 days ago, they had no idea the fail safes had not worked, never mind that the well would continue to pump without a working pump to extract oil ... the situation has been evolving each day.

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Wells don't need a pump to bleed oil in many cases. See any of the pics from the oil rush in PA. The term "gusher" didn't enter the lexicon without cause.

All I expect, frankly, at this point, is equal critique for equal performance. Pres. Bush was hammered for a lack of federal response mere hours after Katrina hit.........despite the fact that military disaster response guides dictate that local authorities are on their own for a minimum of 48-72 hours after a disaster. It takes time for the federal government to act, especially in a military context within CONUS.

There was a big march for immigration reform in Chicago today. Chicago has a big labor union presence, so May Day gets recognized. I heard on the news that the state spends over $3 billion yearly for education, health care and incarceration of illegal residents. "What does an illegal immigrant look like?" is a big question. But $3 billion is a LOT of money. All I know for sure is that we can't keep doing what we have been doing, because it's not working. If I wanted to move to Canada I would have to obtain proper documentation as a resident and as a nurse. What's different about Mexicans coming here? But the President doesn't know if he'll "get to immigration" because of the ecological impact of the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, restructuring financial regulation, and health care.

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Originally Posted by Marigold2

Births to Immigrants in America
1970 to 2002
July 2005
By Steven A. Camarota
Download the .pdf version
County and MSA Data

Analysis of birth records shows that in 2002 almost one in four births in the United States was to an
immigrant mother, legal and illegal, the highest level in American history. The enormous number and proportion of children from immigrant families may overwhelm the assimilation process, making it difficult to integrate these new second-generation Americans. At present, the U.S. government automatically gives American citizenship to all people born in the country, even the children of tourists and illegal aliens.1

Among the study's findings:

* In 2002, 23 percent of all births in the United States were to immigrant mothers (legal or illegal), compared to 15 percent in 1990, 9 percent in 1980, and 6 percent in 1970.

* Even at the peak of the last great wave of immigration in 1910, births to immigrant mothers accounted for a slightly smaller share than today. After 1910 immigration was reduced, but current immigration continues at record levels, thus births to immigrants will continue to increase.

* Our best estimate is that 383,000 or 42 percent of births to immigrants are to illegal alien mothers. Births to illegals now account for nearly one out of every 10 births in the United States.

* The large number of births to illegals shows that the longer illegal immigration is allowed to persist, the harder the problem is to solve. Because as U.S. citizens these children can stay permanently, their citizenship can prevent a parent's deportation, and once adults they can sponsor their parents for permanent residence.

* The large number of children born to illegals also shows that a "temporary" worker program is unrealistic because it would result in hundreds of thousands of permanent additions to the U.S. population each year, exactly what such a program is supposed to avoid.

* Overall, immigrant mothers are much less educated than native mothers. In 2002, 39 percent of immigrant mothers lacked a high school education, compared to 17 percent of native mothers. And immigrants now account for 41 percent of births to mothers without a high school degree.

* The dramatic growth in births to immigrants has been accompanied by a decline in diversity. In 1970, the top country for immigrant births -- Mexico -- accounted for 24 percent of births to immigrants, by 2002 it was 45 percent.

* As a share of all births in the country, Mexican immigrants accounted for one in 10 births in 2002. No single foreign country has ever accounted for such a large share of births.


* In 2002, births to Hispanic immigrants accounted for 59 percent of all births to immigrant mothers. No single cultural/linguistic group has ever accounted for such a large share of births to immigrants.

* The states with the most dramatic increase in births to immigrants in the last decade are Georgia, North Carolina, Nevada, Nebraska, Arkansas, Arizona, Tennessee, Minnesota, Colorado, Delaware, Virginia, and Maryland

* Immigrants account for such a large percentage of births because they have somewhat higher fertility and are more likely to be in their reproductive years than natives. However, the difference with natives is not large enough to significantly affect the nation's overall age structure.

* Immigrants who have arrived in the last two decades plus all of their U.S.-born children have only reduced the average age in the United States from 37 to 36 years.

* Looking at the working age share (15 to 64) of the population also shows little effect from immigration. With or without post-1980 immigrants and their U.S.-born children, 66 percent of the population is of working age.

* While immigration has little effect on the nation's age structure, new immigrants (legal and illegal) plus births to immigrants add some 2.3 million people to the nation's population each year, making for a much larger overall population.
Introduction
It is difficult to imagine a government program that has a more profound impact on society than immigration. Large numbers of immigrants and their descendants cannot help but shape the destiny of the country in which they settle. (The terms "immigrant" and "foreign born" are used synonymously in this report.) Even after the original immigrant dies or returns home, his children and descendants will continue to exert a powerful influence on their new country's demographic, political, economic, and cultural life. Examining births to immigrants is therefore important, because it is a way of measuring the scale of immigration and its impact on American society. This is especially true because the U.S. government has chosen to award American citizenship to all persons born in the United States, including those born to temporary visitors or even illegal aliens. As citizens, it seems almost certain that the vast majority of these children will live in America.

Why Study Immigrant Births?
Public Expenditures on Children. All levels of government provide services to children. Therefore, it is necessary to understand the effect of immigration policy on the number of children being born in the United States in order to better anticipate spending on services, especially public schools. Children from immigrant families may also have needs that are different from those of children from native families. Given the large share of births to immigrants, how these children integrate into American society is critically important to the future of the country. Thus a better understanding of immigration's impact on births is necessary so that government may better meet the needs of these children.

Assimilating the Children of Immigrants. There are now more than 30 million immigrants living in the country. It is sometimes suggested that because immigrants are now so numerous it lowers their interaction with natives and reduces their need to integrate fully into American society. Advocates of high immigration often respond that immigrants account for a smaller share of the population today than during the peak of the last great wave of immigration, yet those immigrants integrated successfully. These advocates seem to be saying that the relative sizes of the immigrant and native population matter, but we have not reached the level of the last great wave, so there is little reason to worry.

Of course, given the enormous changes in the world, it is not clear that comparing current immigration with that of a century ago makes sense. Nor is it clear that the very peak level of immigration, which itself was unusual in American history, is the best point of comparison. Nonetheless, it is true that at the very peak of the last great wave in 1910, the foreign born were a larger share of the total population -- about 15 percent versus 12 percent today. However, examining births to immigrants is relevant to the assimilation debate because it is another way of measuring the scale of immigration and its impact on American society.

Although children born to immigrants are by definition natives, the number and share they represent of all births may have some bearing on how they assimilate. After all, if births to immigrants comprise a very large share of all births, then children from immigrant families may tend to interact primarily with each other, having little contact with the children of natives. As a result, foreign cultural norms, values, and even identities may be dominant among these children. Of course, the fact that a very large share of children may come from immigrant families does not necessarily prove that assimilation will be less complete, since assimilation is a multifaceted and complex process. But the issue of births to immigrants certainly is germane to the debate over the likely course of assimilation.

Research on the Second Generation. The changing share of immigrant births is important because it may help us to better understand how things are changing for the children of immigrants. Researchers often examine the assimilation of adults who had immigrant parents, referred to as second-generation Americans. But the environment in which such individuals grew up may have fundamentally changed. For example, an American born three decades age to immigrant parents was raised in a country where only about one out of 20 U.S.-born children had a foreign-born mother compared to one in four today. The situation for the children of Mexican immigrants is even more striking. In 1970, 54,000 children were born to Mexican immigrant mothers and they accounted for 1.5 percent of all births. In 2002, 408,000 children were born to Mexican immigrant mothers, accounting for 10.1 percent of all births. This change likely will have significant impact on the childhood experience for these children. A person born to immigrants 30 years ago may have grown up with relatively very little contact with other children whose mothers came from the same country. But given the enormous growth in numbers, a child born to an immigrant today may have a very different sense of identity. We at least need to be aware of how things have changed when thinking about the experiences of second-generation Americans.

Characteristics of Those Having Children. Another reason to examine births to immigrants is that it provides some insight into the environment that the children of immigrants are being born into. For example, data are available on the education level of each child's mother. Education is important because it is the single best indicator of income and overall socio-economic status. Parental education levels are also a good predictor of how much education the child will ultimately obtain. Thus, examining characteristics such as education provides important clues to the life prospects of these children, and how they may differ from those born to native mothers.


This article continues just google it.

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Just because somebody writes something, then publishes it on the web, does not mean that it is all true.

I cant possibly be the only poster in this thread that has actually read the AZ law.

I live near a town that had a cosier meat packing plant. There was a raid & they rounded up the immagrants mostly Mexicans. The Jews had hired illegal immagrants & besides under age children of the Mexican community were working at the plant. The Jewish man that was responsible for this is going to prison & I hope they throw the book at him. The immagrants have been sent back to Mexcio at our expense. There were problems with killings, lots of births, breaking the law, robbery, you name it, it happened. The Mexicans are hard working people they do jobs that no one else wants to do. Some of the legals are still here. The cosier meat packing plant has reopened under new management. If they have their green cards & are here legally I have no problem with it. But when they are here I hope they pay them a good wage so they can live the American dream & not drain the system. It is like slave labor other wise. I got into it with a Mexican lady at Wal Mart about a year ago. She purchased hot dogs that were suppose to be on sale & she had other hot dogs that weren't. She accused the clerk of cheating her & calling her a bad name. I was standing in line & watched it all go down. She got real loud with the clerk. I spoke up & told her if you don't like it here go back to where you came from! It really pissed me off! She left the clerk alone, left me alone, & headed for the service counter. This is the kind of stuff that turns you against people.:mad:

I think you missed a couple races H. Schickelgruber, but it was a good try.

I have a friend who used to be the evening kitchen manager at a restaurant. Every now and again the INS would come in and whisk away his employees who were not in the country legally. They would mostly have used someone else's Social Security number and/or card as proof of eligibility to work. Sometimes the restaurant would lose a third of the kitchen staff and have to finish the shift without them.

The one thing that jerks my chain is the morons who march and protest about the RULES.

While I do not advocate the random "Ze Papers, Please" rousting of citizens, there has to be something in place, a law?, that will at least try and deter the people who do come into the country illegally.

There are buttwipes in every group.

The key is to hate just one a day.

It makes life easier and you aren't overwhelmed with more irritation that you can handle?:confused::eek:;)

Here's a piece from "60 Minutes" about an irrigation canal in California that is being used by Mexican citizens to enter the U.S. illegally. It's so unsafe to cross that it has resulted in numerous drowning deaths. Some people say that measures should be instituted to make the canal safer to cross; others say that isn't the point.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...in;contentBody