The children be darned! Tobacco taxes.

I've never heard of the no-smoking-in-your-car rule. I would have NOT been happy about that when I smoked, because I always smoked in my car. However, not with my child in the car with me!

As far as the injustice of telling us what we can and cannot do in our own cars ... what's the difference in a no-smoking in the car law and a seat belt law? Or a motorcycle helmet law? Or a child car-seat law?

I would guess that the money saved from not buying cigarettes is going to FAR outweigh ANY increase in taxes, hands down. Even before this latest tax increase, I was spending about $160 per month on cigarettes. That's a lot of money!

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I was under the impression that certain areas of Kaliforia had bans on smoking in cars due to the threat of wild fires as well.

Where is Kaliforia????

If you buy a house or condo in an area that has tenants you know what you can and cant do on your own property. In such a case you have voluntarily infringed on your own rights, nobody forced you into it. Your "rights" and "rules" comparison fails.

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The smoking or housing complex rules is just an example of rules and rights bumping up against each other.

One person's heartfelt "right" - bumps up against someone else's heartfelt "rule" all the time. It is human nature.

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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

The smoking or housing complex rules is just an example of rules and rights bumping up against each other.

One person's heartfelt "right" - bumps up against someone else's heartfelt "rule" all the time. It is human nature.

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Fail again. If a place of residence or business has a "rule" against smoking, a smoker has no "right" to smoke there.

I have no right to smoke in your residence and you have no right to object if I smoke in mine.

Maybe you know Kalifornia better as Mexifornia?

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Because his education policies delve deep into things other than education. He sees himself as an arbeiter of what is right "for the children." His job is to provide an education for our kids, not to impose HIS world view.

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Source, please.

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But if you Google him, you will get the current administrations take on him, which of course is glowing.

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I didn’t. I got my information from George Will, the Pulitzer Prize-winning conservative American newspaper columnist, journalist, and author.

"I don't want the Government in MY HOUSE.....But I do want them to tell big business how to run itself.

Please,

All the whiners in this country!

A local power company wanted to run high tension wires thru a community.
The AH neighbors banded together and stopped the project.
Oh, it blocks our view, it's dangerous, electro magnetic fields.....Offer them a break in their rates for letting the lines be built and see how many of the cheap SOBs will green light the project.

All the ciggie taxes are just that, taxes.
They flow thru the bureacracy to pay for more jack holes to pass laws that cause more problems...


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"OPEN THE DOOR! POLICE! We know you are smoking in there!!!!"

That's a crime!:rolleyes:

Im not the only one who uses the term "jack hole"!!!

Collin, seriously Im sorry it has come to this. I dont expect the bad habits of others to fund my healthcare or any other expenses.

But relying on government money only makes you a slave and a slave master.

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Source, please.

I didn’t. I got my information from George Will, the Pulitzer Prize-winning conservative American newspaper columnist, journalist, and author.

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Its not something you come to from just ONE source. It's a opinion developed after looking a a lot of stuff on this guy. I will get back to you one this, but I am having a crazy busy day. LOL

Actually, it goes in directions that are not part of this thread... So maybe I will post a fresh one. Because it will most likely end up with another "gun control/mind control" debate. LOL

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Its not something you come to from just ONE source. It's a opinion developed after looking a a lot of stuff on this guy. I will get back to you one this, but I am having a crazy busy day. LOL

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No need to get back with me - if you had indicated it was your opinion, I would not have responded further.

My you all have been busy since yesterday! OK -

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Originally Posted by Nomilynn

Smoking in your car with children inside is now illegal here where I live. They have also banned smoking within 3 metres (approx. 10 feet) from any public intake into a building including patios.. so any doors, windows, apartment patios (altho I don't think that is really enforced) etc, and there is no smoking on any restaurant patio. In Vancouver, the distance is twice that.

I think this is FANTASTIC. I am not a smoker, and I am very allergic to it. It makes me incredibly ill. If someone wants to smoke, go ahead, but don't subject me to your second hand smoke because I don't want to breathe it in and get sick from it. There are dsignated smoking areas still, they are just farther away from the non-smoking public and that is a-ok with me. As for not smoking with children in the car - I think it's sad that a law needs to be passed for that, because it really should be common sense.

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And herein, to me, lies the basic issue with smoking bans - there are MANY of us (ex-smokers and never smokers alike) who CANNOT TOLERATE smoke, second hand, first hand, or residual, due to illness, allergies, or any other sensitivities. So, when smokers scream about their rights being violated by limiting smoking, I don't sympathize. People can die or become seriously ill from smoke (smoker included); this is more than rights being violated. However, when there is no smoking allowed, the only "right" that is violated is the "right" of freedom to make yourself and those around you ill.

That being said - smoking in your car (as long as you're alone), in your home, on your property - I don't care. They're your lungs. I know smokers; I avoid their cars & their homes (when possible). They are welcome to smoke out back at my house, but don't make me clean up after it, either! I smoked for a long time; I never inflicted my addiction on anyone else, it's just not right.

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No need to get back with me - if you had indicated it was your opinion, I would not have responded further.

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Well, I want to respond further. Because you asking for a source of that opinion is a little worrisome. I mean, a guy like him would NEVER just come out and say those things. You have to do a in depth study of the MAN. Almost like doing a biography.

The historical method is a wonderful thing, it just takes time. You can see the future if you study the past.

More to come, probably. I just need to find some time. Also, no need to reply to it, just a FYI. :)

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Maybe you know Kalifornia better as Mexifornia?

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Aren't you the clever little racist!

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Well, I want to respond further. Because you asking for a source of that opinion is a little worrisome. I mean, a guy like him would NEVER just come out and say those things. You have to do a in depth study of the MAN. Almost like doing a biography.

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I thought you already had done this. That's what you based your opinions
of the man on, right?

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Collin, seriously Im sorry it has come to this. I dont expect the bad habits of others to fund my healthcare or any other expenses.

But relying on government money only makes you a slave and a slave master.

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May I assume you will never accept Medicare or Social Security ???

I don't have much to add....

I smoked briefly as a teenager... VERY briefly but I've never really been a smoker.

but my parents were both smokers for years and if I recall correctly they usually paid about $5 a pack. After a while they hiked up the cost of a pack... now it's $10 a pack :O

My dad has been smoke free for 4 years I think and he has saved SOOOOOOO much money. And he smoked from the time he was about 12 and now he's 62. So if he can quit after all that time... anyone can.