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Originally Posted by sasvermont

Oh come on, no one is paying for the signs on their lawns! Of course, someone paid to have them printed, I know that, but they give them away! Lighten up a little! They are lawn art and then fodder once the election is over. I have to watch them wilt by the roadside for the next few months....

Yikes!

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that's not true. just because YOU didn't pay for your sign doesn't mean that some people didn't pay for theirs.

I know LOTS of people that paid for their signs.

And it IS against the law to steal them... google it.

What a waste of money... I sure wouldn't pay any of our money for a sign... in fact I think they should pay ME... but the fact of the matter is... some people DO pay for them and it IS illegal to steal them... whether you like it or not.

I mean... I don't care if she played a prank as I don't care about the signs one way or another. But to some people... they matter AND they pay for them AND it is illegal to steal them. so if her neighbor happened to get a burr up his butt about it then it would be her fault and it would be theft. Just saying.

You don't have to like the law... you just have to abide by it :)

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Originally Posted by NoahsMommy

BS to me means the following: making something up, lying, content that makes it seem like someone is joking or is crazy

Is crazy:
-Taking from the people who have EARNED their money and their spot in life? I'm not in that class, other than I EARN what I recieve. Then GIVING that money to people who DON'T EARN what they have? Because this is aparently one of Obama's plans.
-Making people have socialized care - medically. You ALL know I'm riddled with this stupid Crohn's Disease. I'd NEVER, EVER take socialized care and I'm in an ER at least monthly! The care is bad enough as it is!!!!
-OKing partial birth abortion?? That is discusting!!!!! I give a crap WHO you are, its vatally mutaling a living thing!!! Abortion is A-OK with me, but that doesn't mean I personally would have it done and my disease is hereditary!
-Not voting or holding committee meetings when chairing the Iraq war committee??? Denying funding to the troops that are ALREADY in the Middle East????
-Attending a church with anyone remotely like Jeramiah Write (he could be orange with green polka dots, or PINK, my favorite color and I'd STILL believe that denying ANYONE their rights is WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!)
-Proposing tax refunds/checks to the 40% of people that DON'T pay taxes!?!?!?
-And now....his little campaign is under investigation for getting campaign contributions that were NOT authorized or even asked for!! When people have called to complain and insist they be removed, his volunteers have the nerve to say, "well, are you sure you want that $2300 charge removed??"

Would you like me to go on? You're completely right, I'm uneducated, I don't spend ANY time researching the issues and I completely ignore the candidates. Seems like this is not me you're talking about as I haven't seen a post from you REGARDING THE ISSUES, just rude, accusatory statements when anyone fails to agree with YOU!

Since it seems I'm being attacked for who I am with no reason whatsoever, let me illustrate how open-minded and thoughtful (in that I think, as well as being concerned about people) I am. I am a Christian, always have been:

I want prop 8, to FAIL. I feel gay/lesbian people are MORE than deserving of being married legally. We deserve equal rights!!

I also am OK with abortion, but not partial birth because of how cruel and vicous it is.

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Kelly, you definitely need to do alot more reading.

Do you know the US Health Care system is rated 37th in the world? After most every so-called "socialized" country in the Western World. Our system is number one -- in cost.

No one is attacking you for who you are any more than you are attacking Obama for who he is. People are questioning what you say -- not who you are. There is a difference.

But you cannot say this...

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I'm uneducated, I don't spend ANY time researching the issues and I completely ignore the candidates.

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and then express strong opinions without being question. If you ignore what the candidates are saying...where are you getting your information?

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But you cannot say this... and then express strong opinions without being question. If you ignore what the candidates are saying...where are you getting your information?

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I think the fine art of sarcasm might be lost on you.

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

To tell you the truth I have never in my life been so interested in politics until this year. And there is only one reason. It's the idea that some dolt like BO may be my president.

I have the same feelings that Kelly has, there is something that does not sit right with me about his being. There is something about the way he conducts himself that makes me uneasy.

I agree 100 percent with Kelly's views on medical care. Her side is having to navigate the system and mine from working in it for years.

BO's ideas about health care are ridiculous, uneducated and very scary.

Government sponsored health care is a waste of money, time and a dangerous road to travel. Government needs to revise the laws pertaining to malpractice insurance and cap the awards given out by idiot jurors and sought after by money hungry AH lawyers. They also need to revise the laws regarding Med Care/Pharm and supply firms.

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THIS is what I'm trying to say. You ALL know me, I DON'T start fights or attack unless I am attacked unfairly.

I'll admit that I tend to think people believe the same (especially here!) as I in the area of respectfulness and that I state MY opinion, its JUST that, MY OPINION. I neglect to realize that it can be taken wrong, and I'll be the first to admit that I'm sorry if it came accross another way.

I not only am a patient (nearly daily) constantly for 13+ years, but I've also worked in our medical industry for 6+ years! I'm currently paying nearly $650 in COBRA monthly and I STILL wouldn't want socialized care....even if I had to live in my car and pay only my COBRA!! Until you've been there, just like with ANYTHING ELSE, you really don't completely get the severity.

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But you cannot say this... and then express strong opinions without being question. If you ignore what the candidates are saying...where are you getting your information?

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Originally Posted by blue

I think the fine art of sarcasm might be lost on you.

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Yea, thanks for explaining my comment, blue. :)

Sara, I meant it saracastically in response to a comment made by Lizbud. :D

The ignorance of our citizens regarding the health care system makes me want to crap my pants.

You want the government to stay out of your private lives, but allow them to dictate the length your hospital stays and what kind of treatment you receive.

In effing credible.

Should I ever become ill and have no positive outlook, I'll pack up a bag and go for a long hike in the mountains rather than having to navigate the HC system.


So, it you get ill with something that could have been treated sooner,remember, It's what you wanted.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jenn_librarian

Just to play devil's advocate here.
Would those people happen to be black or muslim? which of those are scaring you?? Just asking, because you're leaving that one wide open to any interpretation. (not saying that either scare you, but wanting you to state exactly what you mean)

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I guess I don't understand the question. Why on earth would I fear someone because of their race or religion? I have a TON of friends that are Muslim, and have many, many respectful, open discussions with them on their religion JUST so I can learn more about what the people I care about believe.

As far as race? Seriously? I hope this doesn't come out wrong, but I WISH I was born black. Honestly. I am infatuated with Maya Angelou and Toni Morrison. I've read EVERYTHING they've ever written or uttered. (along with many, many other authors that are similar, or write the same genre) I've even seen Maya Angelou speak at our local Civic Center and it was by far the GREATEST day! My bookshelves are full of nearly every book they sell at Borders or Barnes and Noble from the Black (used to be African American) History (and sometimes, Literature or Bios) section. I frequently volunteer for the Urban League Council (2 times yearly for 5 years thus far). The culture and family togetherness (I realize this isn't nearly always the case) appeal to me. I come from a very small English family and don't have anywhere near the traditions I've learned about in the black community.

All that to answer, no, those things don't scare me in the least.

Obama supports things I don't. That's basically it. He seems to be uneducated on a lot of things that matter to me. He frequently rubs me the wrong way, for many reasons.

There are things I do like about him as well. But when it comes down to it, I'm fearful about what will happen to our country war, money, healthcare-wise as well as ethically.

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Originally Posted by NoahsMommy

I ALWAYS have very correct "gut feelings" and there is something seriously scaring me about the possibility of him becoming President. Just look at the people he chooses to surround himself with - I wont name names, but if you watch ANY news, or radio, you'll know what I mean.

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Kelly, you said this. In bold. That was my point. I watch the news. Who he "surrounds" himself with. That's why I was asking who exactly are you against him "surrounding" himself with. If you're talking about the guy they say did the terrorist stuff... eh. They've dealt with that, and that was just one person and it wasn't something that was going on when Obama was with him.

That was all. I wasn't even trying to say you were being racist or anything. I just want to know who you are referring to. I wasn't trying to be argumentative, I don't want it to come across that way!

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

You want the government to stay out of your private lives, but allow them to dictate the length your hospital stays and what kind of treatment you receive.

Should I ever become ill and have no positive outlook, I'll pack up a bag and go for a long hike in the mountains rather than having to navigate the HC system.


So, it you get ill with something that could have been treated sooner,remember, It's what you wanted.:rolleyes:

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How long our hospital stays are, are already dictated. That's how they decide how much the insurance covers and all that happy stuff. "Your insurance pays for ___ number of days of care after the heart surgery." You're not going to be staying longer unless there's issues.

I worked in health care too. I did billing and collections.

Either way you look at it, it's dictated.

I also lived overseas and dealt with socialized healthcare. As a non-citizen (I was covered as I was a minor in Sweden). I never had an issue with it.

Not that we're Sweden, cause we're not. We're a lot larger. However, they did manage to handle their health care rather well.

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Originally Posted by jenn_librarian

How long our hospital stays are, are already dictated. .

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So DRG means D*mned Regulatory Government?:confused:

I remember doing billing and coding and right in the ICD-9 book (what number are they up to now??) it would tell you how many days aftercare were covered by which procedure. So, if you had something done, and came in for a follow up, if there was a 10 day window, and you came in on day 11, the doc could bill a visit.

I guess DRG can mean whatever you want it to mean. It's all regulated. PPO, HMO... whatever. You get what you get by what the insurance will cover (or not cover), including length of hospital stay.

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Originally Posted by lizbud

Everyone IS entitled to a opinion, even me. To say that you've informed
yourself before makeing a choice between candidates,sounds doubtful from
any statement you've made so far.(IMO) Your viseral reaction to anything
"Obama" & counting on your "gut" feelings to show you the truth, is absurd.

All this doesn't mean a hill of beans to me in the long run, but I certainly
believe I know BS when I hear it.

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I haven't read thru the entire thread but I just wanted to say - that I totally agree - b/c the more I read your posts, Liz, that's exactly what I see.
B.
S.

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Originally Posted by Alysser

This is why I hate politics. Look what people fight over. :rolleyes: Though I did find her statement really uncalled for although I'm ALL for Obama because McCain annoys the CRAP out of me, but that's not for me to post right now.

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Now you know how Kelly and I feel about Obama.
Nuff Said.

Just standing here with my ten foot pole. :p


I agree with Kelly and Richard on a lot of this. I guess I finally understand all those celebrities who claimed they would move out of the country if Bush won. Well I'm feeling that way now about Obama. I've heard Costa Rica is nice.

I think Obama has shown a history of associating with questionable people and that shows a big flaw in his judgment. I need to know that my president has good judgment in all things, including character. I'd hate to see the positions of cabinet seats, supreme court justices and top aides being filled with the likes of Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko and William Ayers. It goes on to a bigger scale, what does that mean about his associations outside the US? Who is he willing to "sit down" with (i.e. Ahmadinejad)? My brain and my "gut" tell me to run away from Obama.

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Originally Posted by shais_mom

Now you know how Kelly and I feel about Obama.
Nuff Said.

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Oh by the way, I just realized what I said sounded like I was accusing Kelly of saying something wrong. I meant to say what Lizbud posted was uncalled for. I didn't measn for it to come across that way, Sorry if that's what you thought :o

My brother is HEAVILY into politics and works for votevets.org. His company rasied 5 millon $ for Obama's campaign. That's not the only reason I'm for Obama of course, I'm not always democratic, I don't like all their veiws, I'd actually say I'm more in between but I can't picture McCain in office and Sarah Palin for Vice pres.

By the way, I really don't see how putting the signs on someone elses lawn is theft? They were not actually stolen, it was a joke. Doesn't seem like theft to me.

For the record, I don't really either like any of the canditates for President at the point. I was really rooting for Hilary Clinton, but that didn't happen. I didn't really like politics much at all until my brother got into it and until I joined Junior Statesmen of America(JSA) at school. I just want to get more involved and educate myself more on the canditates really.