Teacup Australian shepherd--12lbs!!!

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Originally Posted by MonicanHonda

Not all dogs had a purpose, for example, Italian Greyhounds were bred purely for companionship as a lapdog that resembled their greyhound cousins.

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And that IS their purpose. They fill it well. We don't need something called a "toy greyhound" or a "miniature whippet" to fill that niche, we already have a recognised breed, the IG. We don't need BYB's and puppy mills breeding greyhounds and whippets with chihuahuas or min pins to make a "toy" version. If you want a little greyhound, buy an IG.

And, I'm sorry, if you want a twelve pound fuzzy lap dog, get a pom. Don't buy a Aussie/pom mixed breed from a BYB who called it a "toy Australian shepherd.". Don't put money into the pockets of monsters.

ALBINO____What makes you think that just because you don't like the dog that obviously the breeder doesn't care about the health? Its one thing to be skeptical and want to look more into seeing if they're being honest, its another to flat out say that they more than likely are lying. A breeder of any other breed has just as much of a chance of lying about testing or not lying. Just because they breed a breed you dislike does not mean they don't care about their dogs. Also, what is a designer dog? A dog without a purpose for being bred? Because most dogs now days aren't used for their original purposes. If someone has a labrador who does shows, breeding, and a family pet, but no hunting and retrieving, does that make it a 'designer dog' just because its not living up to the breed's purpose? No. A dog is a dog. There's such thing as a deigner hand bag or designer clothes, but there is no such thing as a designer dog, dogs are not objects. Regardless of if you like the breed or not, they are not objects.



What makes me think that? The fact that I've just witnessed someone lie through their teeth for the sake of breeding what they said was a super dog...it turned into a disaster is why. Oh yes, they claimed to have done all the testing necessary, NOT. And the pups were lucky people did them a favour and took them in. Is that a good enough reason? Some people might consider themselves breeders but not too manytrue dog people are fooled.
Our pounds are full of so called purebreds, rare colours, designer breeds, etc. Maybe it's time we stopped and reflected who put those dogs behind bars.

Okay then, we need to stop breeding dogs at all because dog shows are not the original purpose of any dog breed. So since we don't need purebred dogs for their purpose, we should just stop breeding dogs at all...

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Originally Posted by MonicanHonda

Okay then, we need to stop breeding dogs at all because dog shows are not the original purpose of any dog breed. So since we don't need purebred dogs for their purpose, we should just stop breeding dogs at all...

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Tell the farmer that his working Border Collie has no purpose. Tell the police force that their Belgian Malinois and GSDs have no purpose. Tell the hunter that his Brittany has no purpose. Tell a blind man that his guide Labrador has no purpose. Tell SAR groups that their bloodhounds are useless.

MonicanHonda, you're missing the point. I already said this: We are not arguing about the propagation of existing breeds. We are discussing the ethics of creating new breeds. That is it. Nothing more. Nothing less. Other folks may be interjecting their opinions about breeding in general, but this discussion, this discussion about undersized Aussies, is about creating new breeds.

Also, re: dog shows. Dog shows are, by definition, the evaluation of breeding stock. They're not judging dogs against each other, but to their written standards. "Breeding for dog shows", in essence, therefore means "breeding a correct dog" (ideally, of course). Ergo, I don't see why you're arguing against dog shows unless you've been entertaining a slightly misconstrued conception of dog shows and their purposes. Being a correct example of a breed is exemplifying a dog's original purpose, working or show.

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Originally Posted by MonicanHonda

Okay then, we need to stop breeding dogs at all because dog shows are not the original purpose of any dog breed. So since we don't need purebred dogs for their purpose, we should just stop breeding dogs at all...

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Such a ridiculous statement if I ever heard one. Dog shows serve the purpose of eliminating the dogs that are not up to standard and should not be used in a breeding program. They are supposed to be helping us weed out the bad specimens. Why do you think the standards for each breed are set? Why do you think so many dogs that go against the standard are disqualified from the show ring? Hopefully it's to help the buyers who have no experience so they can learn what to look for in the breed of their choice. Shows protect buyers and spectators alike from making the mistake of buying those "rare" colours or "designer " breeds. Your statements sound like a deja vue that we just discussed.

And your statements are just repetitive. Obviously not an idiot here. I KNOW what a dog show is for. I know exactly how they work and the purpose they serve. I am not new to this at all. I also know that a lot of dogs do their jobs, but not as much as they used to. The fact I'm basically getting at is, and this is off topic of the teacup aussies, is that all you guys do is complain about people breeding dogs that we do not need. Which yes, we don't need anymore dogs because there are a million in shelters. I just don't understand why you guys complain when it isn't going to make any difference. People are going to continue to breed their dogs no matter how one website feels. Continually yelling at people to spay and neuter their dogs (while they should, I agree with this) is not going to make them. People, in the end, will do what they want. In the end, new breeds will pop up. In the end, what we say here to anyone is not going to make a difference, so why argue about it?

This just makes me angry, so I won't even get started.

There's breeding dogs for a purpose (even if it is companionship) then there's breeding dogs for profit... people just see dollar signs and don't think about the genetic problems they are breeding into them by making miniature versions of breeds that probably already have a plethora of health and/or genetic problems as it is.... Sigh.

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Originally Posted by MonicanHonda

And your statements are just repetitive. Obviously not an idiot here. I KNOW what a dog show is for. I know exactly how they work and the purpose they serve. I am not new to this at all. I also know that a lot of dogs do their jobs, but not as much as they used to. The fact I'm basically getting at is, and this is off topic of the teacup aussies, is that all you guys do is complain about people breeding dogs that we do not need. Which yes, we don't need anymore dogs because there are a million in shelters. I just don't understand why you guys complain when it isn't going to make any difference. People are going to continue to breed their dogs no matter how one website feels. Continually yelling at people to spay and neuter their dogs (while they should, I agree with this) is not going to make them. People, in the end, will do what they want. In the end, new breeds will pop up. In the end, what we say here to anyone is not going to make a difference, so why argue about it?

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Complaining and educating are 2 different things FYI..
You've been barley active for a year, how would you know that educating the OG posters havn't made a difference?
I've seen it happen plenty of times, un educated people come here and once they realise what they are doing they stop.

It may not make a difference to some but we can damn well try because to us it makes a difference and to us that is our way of trying to help.

I haven't read this whole thread so the answer to this may already be here.

Has anybody actually seen one of these Aussies in person? The picture looks like regular sized Aussies to me.

JMHO: I think MH is just trying to state that some people will never change, no matter what.
It's always good to try to help people but some people can't be helped because they don't want help.

MH could have been lurking for a long time too before actually joining.

Thanks Daisy and Delilah. I in no way support breeders who breed in bad genetics. I have read this website for a looong time and it just bothers me how some of you jump down people's throats when they automatically say SOMETHING about breeding a dog. You don't know how qualified a person is just by talking to them on a website. And just because someone says sure they will spay or neuter your dog. You don't know that they actually did it. If I planned on breeding my dog, I'd tell you guys I planned on spaying her just so you didn't jump down my throat.

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Originally Posted by MonicanHonda

Thanks Daisy and Delilah. I in no way support breeders who breed in bad genetics. I have read this website for a looong time and it just bothers me how some of you jump down people's throats when they automatically say SOMETHING about breeding a dog. You don't know how qualified a person is just by talking to them on a website. And just because someone says sure they will spay or neuter your dog. You don't know that they actually did it. If I planned on breeding my dog, I'd tell you guys I planned on spaying her just so you didn't jump down my throat.

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No problem.

You just made a statement that's your perogative to make. This is the way I took it. I never sensed any malice in your posts.:)

Good point about people saying one thing and doing another. Sadly, it probably happens all the time. How will I ever find out if John Doe neutered his dog in Canada when I live in Florida?

:) I never meant to sound angry. So I'm sorry if anyone took it that way. It's just my opinion and I don't want to push it on anyone. I'll stop posting here because I've stated how I feel and I don't want anyone to get angry at me. Thanks for the debate guys.

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Originally Posted by MonicanHonda

Which yes, we don't need anymore dogs because there are a million in shelters. I just don't understand why you guys complain when it isn't going to make any difference. People are going to continue to breed their dogs no matter how one website feels.

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Sure. :rolleyes:

And, on that same token, people will continue to be homeless... children will continue to starve... crimes will continue to be commited... etc, etc, etc.

If no one speaks up, NOTHING will change. It makes me truly sad, for the world in general, that people actually think this way and think it's ok because one person will not make a difference. Well, one person can become two, then three, then thousands, then millions. IMO, responsible dog ownership has come a long, long way over the years and will continue to as long as people continue to educate themselves, become informed, and spread that knowledge. Look at puppy mills. 30 years ago, they were doing their thing and widely accepted. Now, albeit they still exist, they're being persecuted more & more for all of their crimes against animals and have become socially unacceptable for the most part.