Mr. Biggles is being put to sleep tomorrow

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02-01-2007, 10:09 AM
Taz_Zoee

Ok, I guess it's final then. Goodbye Mr Biggles. :( Play hard at the bridge, tell DJ hello for us. Watch over Bear as well, and assist in her weight loss endeavor.
Good Luck, Jess (I'm guessing that's your name) with Bear, I hope all goes well with her. Give her hugs for me. :)
02-01-2007, 10:10 AM
BC_MoM

You've had this dog not even a month. You're not even giving him a chance. How does it hurt you to wait a while and contact a behaviourlist?? You never should have adopted him if you weren't willing to help him with any problems that could (and did) come along.
02-01-2007, 10:10 AM
Lori Jordan

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Originally Posted by king2005

You people wern't there & haven't seen the amount of damage he did to Chad. Hes being PTS end of story!

If this was a just a bite the story would be different. but it wasn't!

Well sounds to me Chad is not a very stable person,from your posts,Too bad Mr Biggles has to destroyed because of stupidity!As to the post dont say nothing at all i have been critisized of alot of things,And nothing has ever compared to what she is doing,She should not have got these dogs in the first place IMO,Mr Biggles does not deserve to be put down how do you know Chad didnt do something to him,If he can pull a scared dog down the stairs(stupid move)What else could he do?????Ask yourself that!
02-01-2007, 10:12 AM
Daisy and Delilah

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Originally Posted by Dr.Goodnow

Jess asked in her original post, that no one make this harder, she knows how upsetting having any animal PTS is for all of us.

Right now if we cannot express how badly we feel for the people going through this, with sincerity, then we should all remember what we were taught as kids and what we have all taught our own,

If you cannot say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

This situation is tragic on many levels for many creatures 2 legged and four.

Jess, I truly hope you will find some comfort in the days ahead.
Hugs

I honestly respect everything you've said. It's not my nature to criticize anyone for the decisions they make. Sometimes things have to be done that we don't like and we accept it and go on. I think the big thing in this case is the fact that every detail of this adoption has been made public to all of us on this board. We are all aware of circumstances and conditions that may or may not have been condusive to pet ownership. We're all here because we love animals and we care what happens to them. We have many experts here that have many good solutions and lots of great advice. I just wish that this entire thing would have been looked at more closely to begin with, considering all factors. We would hope there is a better alternative for these two dogs in the long run. I sincerely hope that Jess(and Chad) can get some help for their problems. I have great concern for anyone in their shoes and I certainly don't mean to imply that I diminish or disrespect their medical conditions in any way.

All this said, please try to rehome these dogs to someone that's equipped to handle them. I know there must be a solution. I wish you the best and hope to hear some better news.
02-01-2007, 10:12 AM
caseysmom

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Originally Posted by king2005

Thats what I was trying to get across, it wasn't just a snap or a bite. Its very different from what your dog did. But I personally believe allowing a dog to snap or nip is asking for problems later on.

Mr. Biggels is the size of a JRT, he has a long snout & his K9's are further forward (his jaw is all screwed up & he has extra K9s in his mouth, which didn't help at all!)...

When I was trying to help Chad stop the bleeding, I never would believe him if he told me that Mr. Biggles attacked him with all the damage that was done. But I was there, so it was him.

Jess, who said I allow this? I am not going to run and put him to sleep for gods sake. He only gets mad when I try to take food out of his mouth, he will steal food off a plate if you don't look, hardly a reason for me to euthanize for gods sake he is a dog and has dog behavior, you understand that and move on. bubba interacts with small children all the time and has never snapped, my point was even if he did get vicious I just don't see how he could leave a 4 inch cut.
02-01-2007, 10:12 AM
areias

Is there anyone, anywhere, that could assist her in either placing this dog or helping her out? Does anyone know a trainer (maybe someones friend?) who would take him and work the problem out? Would you be willing to do that, Jess?

What were the circumstances leading to the attack? That would help a lot.
02-01-2007, 10:13 AM
caseysmom

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Originally Posted by Lori Jordan

Well sounds to me Chad is not a very stable person,from your posts,Too bad Mr Biggles has to destroyed because of stupidity!As to the post dont say nothing at all i have been critisized of alot of things,And nothing has ever compared to what she is doing,She should not have got these dogs in the first place IMO,Mr Biggles does not deserve to be put down how do you know Chad didnt do something to him,If he can pull a scared dog down the stairs(stupid move)What else could he do?????Ask yourself that!

Exactly! dogs have no other way to say "leave me the hell alone!"
02-01-2007, 10:13 AM
king2005

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Originally Posted by areias

Just saw the replies to my other post-yes, I would do the same thing for a big dog. I have always thought that a dog involved in an attack should not be put down (in most cases) and that the court should order the owner pay for rehabilitation for the dog. And yes, I have been bitten (attacked?) by a 90 lb lab. The dog would not let go of my arm. I triggered it by turning towards/at the dog, he was nervous and he surely did grab ahold of my arm. You know what? That dog is still with its family. They took the proper steps in rehabilitating the dog. No, change won't happen overnight, but it will start taking place sooner than you expect. I'm absolutely not trying to be mean, thats not my intention, I just hate to see any dog PTS. I know it's hard, and it's a difficult decision, but I urge you to at least contact a behaviorist before you do anything.

What if he attacks again? or gets out & goes after someone else?

I'm not putting other people at risk, its not fair to other people. I've been there too many times & being traumatized isn't fair at all!!

Its not like I'm jumping in joy that I'm having him PTS. We rescued them cause they needed a 2ed chance (well its more then a 2ed, but we wanted to try at least, before they both were PTS at the shelter)
02-01-2007, 10:15 AM
BC_MoM

I have a friend in Ontario who is amazing. However, I don't think Jess is the kind of person who is patient with things like this.
02-01-2007, 10:17 AM
king2005

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

Jess, who said I allow this? I am not going to run and put him to sleep for gods sake. He only gets mad when I try to take food out of his mouth, he will steal food off a plate if you don't look, hardly a reason for me to euthanize for gods sake he is a dog and has dog behavior, you understand that and move on. bubba interacts with small children all the time and has never snapped, my point was even if he did get vicious I just don't see how he could leave a 4 inch cut.

the way you worded it, is that when he does it you just shove him away... sorry to assume.

He has a long mouth & Chad had to kick him off his arm, so his tooth went into Chad's arm & as he was being Kicked off his tooth dragged along 4" of skin. He bite down more the once & it was only the 1 tooth that drew all the blood.. the others left the swelling & bruses
02-01-2007, 10:20 AM
areias

Pleading here, have you done any NILIF (nothing in life is free) training? That would be step #1. This can be solved. If it is solved, then no it won't happen again. I swear to god, I'd pay for you to ship him to me if there weren't children in this household.
02-01-2007, 10:21 AM
Daisy and Delilah

Let me say one more thing Jess; you have put this entire story out there for everyone to read. If you didn't want responses, and now it seems you're getting angry, why did you make all of this public? You have asked for advice from everyone here and most everyone has given you help. We feel attached to these dogs ourselves. What do you expect? I hardly think you should get angry with anyone.

Don't forget.....when you first got bitten by Mr. Biggles, you decided to hide it from Chad. As I said before, now Chad is the good guy and Mr. Biggles has to be PTS. Forgive me if I am just very confused :confused:
02-01-2007, 10:22 AM
caseysmom

I think you could find a jrt rescue group that would be happy to take him. Someone familiar with jrt's needs him, that breed definetely is a handful and it doesn't sound like your in a situation to deal with him right now, please call a rescue.
02-01-2007, 10:26 AM
Lori Jordan

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

Jess, who said I allow this? I am not going to run and put him to sleep for gods sake. He only gets mad when I try to take food out of his mouth, he will steal food off a plate if you don't look, hardly a reason for me to euthanize for gods sake he is a dog and has dog behavior, you understand that and move on. bubba interacts with small children all the time and has never snapped, my point was even if he did get vicious I just don't see how he could leave a 4 inch cut.

Ok this is my last post and i'm moving on,Caseysmom,Good point!Your dog has never nipped a child,Ya know why?Dogs know who is good and bad they are the best judges of character,My Lacy hates Jamies friend Glen,Ya know why He will Play with Maggy and Molly,But when it comes to Lacy he always tells her to go laydown,Why i have no clue she has never done anything and i have told him many times to back off and not come around,Lacy will not give this man the time a day,She stays clear.

Dogs know whether you think it or not,Where you there?When he bit Chad??Dod you see or just walk into it? This dog has obviously had a hard life You got him from a shelter,The Shelter do not always know what kinds of backgrounds these dogs have had or had been delt with.

There is no reason why you cannot get this animal help,that is our job,As animal owners,I consider my guys as my children,And i would go all out to all extremes to get them help,And after everything is done and there has been no improvement then take the next step,Not putting them to sleep,There are millions of people that can help in any given situation,You are being very stubborn,These animals were put on this earth to be loved and cherised,Not to be beaten mistreated in any way NOR TO HAVE SOMEONES BACK TURNED ON THEM!

Instead you have totaly given up,Your just throwing your hands in the air,and washing them with it,If this is your desision,Then in Bears best intrest at heart you should find her a home,With the issues you are having at the moment i do not think you are capable of taking care of any animal,They are like kids sometimes there needs have to come before ours,Remeber they cannot speak and tell us what has happend,Animals deserve everything!
02-01-2007, 10:28 AM
Lori Jordan

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Originally Posted by king2005

What if he attacks again? or gets out & goes after someone else?

I'm not putting other people at risk, its not fair to other people. I've been there too many times & being traumatized isn't fair at all!!

Its not like I'm jumping in joy that I'm having him PTS. We rescued them cause they needed a 2ed chance (well its more then a 2ed, but we wanted to try at least, before they both were PTS at the shelter)

A second chance is not supposed to lead to death,As i said before,DOGS KNOW WHO IS GOOD AND BAD!

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