They let it happen again! *3 more pics added*

I think that's really, truly awesome of Cori. I hope the little pup is ok! The staples and everything are so sad, but it's good to hear about the progress with bottle-feeding.

I find it incredibly over-kill to attack her for this. She isn't paying these people for the puppies. She isn't buying a puppy from a pet store. These people obviously over-bred their poor dog before Cori was there to help, and they would still do it if Cori stopped helping, because it sounds like they simply do not care. It's up to the daughter to step in & do what's right, Cori can't just steal it.

As far as I'm concerned, she is doing the equivalent of what a rescue would do for a puppy that was dumped at their drop box. Are rescues/shelters in the wrong because they will take on abandoned animals? Are they "enabeling" BYB-ers because the BYB-ers know that they can always dump unwanted puppies at a rescue? No. They're saving a life.

I agree that there are different ways that people see things and there have been some good points made by everybody here. However, Cori, you did what I would have done. Animal control is not always that great in all cases. Who knows how long that little pup would have had to wait for someone to intervene? Kudos to you for saving that little baby. I honestly don't think any person on this board could have watched that little pup suffer a minute longer without doing something. As far as I'm concerned....saving the pup and enabling some uneducated, non-caring, people to continue overbreeding, are two different things.

Cori, you're a sweetheart. Always concerned with doing the right thing and always doing the right thing when it comes to the safety and comfort of animals. You are to be commended for all you do and have done. You don't deserve to be bashed by the people on the other board. It's only my opinion but I wouldn't go there anymore.

I understand how hard it is to just seize someone's dog against their will. I don't see or feel any love at all in the case of this mother dog's owner. If they care so little about the dog, and it's obvious they do, I can't see them flinching at all if you get the poor thing spayed. Why would they care? They don't seem to care about anything else in regards to her or her pup's welfare.

I wish you the best of luck sweetie. You're a really big hero in my book. Good luck to that little baby doll and to the mother of that little baby. They both deserve a better life than what they've had so far. Thank God for people like you!!

For those of you who are being critical --- have you ever heard the story about the boy walking down a beach after a storm? It was strewn with stranded starfish. He walked along, picking them up and tossing them back into the sea. A man stopped him & said "You're wasting your time, you can't possibbly throw back enough to make a difference." The boy bent down, picked up another starfish, and threw it in the water. He looked at the man and replied "It made a difference to that one."

You and your husband are doing a wonderful thing. The world needs more people like you, willing to go above & beyond. Bless you both.

Very good cyber sibes- I would have done the same.. I would try to help the mother, but I think she has done all she can at this point. Even the puppy she has, this is a serious undertaking with the puppy already so far behind the 8 ball here.. ! I have bottlefed a puppy- and that one was just fine, except the runt and nothing majorly wrong with the puppy either. This is quite a undertaking, and she is to be commended as I stated earlier!

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For those of you who are being critical --- have you ever heard the story about the boy walking down a beach after a storm? It was strewn with stranded starfish. He walked along, picking them up and tossing them back into the sea. A man stopped him & said "You're wasting your time, you can't possibbly throw back enough to make a difference." The boy bent down, picked up another starfish, and threw it in the water. He looked at the man and replied "It made a difference to that one."

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YES! this is a wonderful story!

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As far as I'm concerned, she is doing the equivalent of what a rescue would do for a puppy that was dumped at their drop box. Are rescues/shelters in the wrong because they will take on abandoned animals? Are they "enabeling" BYB-ers because the BYB-ers know that they can always dump unwanted puppies at a rescue? No. They're saving a life.

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(Playing devils advocate) Are the shelters really saving lives by taking in unwanted newborn puppies, raising them and adopting them out? There's no argument that they are saving the lifes of those particular puppies.

But at the same time aren't they contributing to the deaths of the dogs already existing in the shelters?

The estimates are that 5 to 9 million unwanted dogs are put to death every year in the united states. How many football stadiums stacked to the roof would those lifeless bodies fill? The majority of these dogs are 6 months and over. The big question is: if so many puppies weren't taken in and made available would these "older" dogs have a better chance of being saved by adoption?

Which is the lessor of two evils? Euthanizing newborn puppies who have never experienced life and love, or euthanizing adult dogs who through no fault of their own have been abandondened by their owners?

The answer of course is that neither solution is satisfactory. There has to be a better way!

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(Playing devils advocate) Are the shelters really saving lives by taking in unwanted newborn puppies, raising them and adopting them out? There's no argument that they are saving the lifes of those particular puppies.

But at the same time aren't they contributing to the deaths of the dogs already existing in the shelters?

The estimates are that 5 to 9 million unwanted dogs are put to death every year in the united states. How many football stadiums stacked to the roof would those lifeless bodies fill? The majority of these dogs are 6 months and over. The big question is: if so many puppies weren't taken in and made available would these "older" dogs have a better chance of being saved by adoption?

Which is the lessor of two evils? Euthanizing newborn puppies who have never experienced life and love, or euthanizing adult dogs who through no fault of their own have been abandondened by their owners?

The answer of course is that neither solution is satisfactory. There has to be a better way!

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that's almost sick! yes, a lot of adult dogs do get PTS every year by shelters. so do puppies. just because the puppy has not had the chance at a life doesn't mean it is "less" than the adult dogs. shelters give the adoptee plenty of choices to find the right dog. homeless puppies should be treated the same as homeless dogs.

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I think that's really, truly awesome of Cori. I hope the little pup is ok! The staples and everything are so sad, but it's good to hear about the progress with bottle-feeding.

I find it incredibly over-kill to attack her for this. She isn't paying these people for the puppies. She isn't buying a puppy from a pet store. These people obviously over-bred their poor dog before Cori was there to help, and they would still do it if Cori stopped helping, because it sounds like they simply do not care. It's up to the daughter to step in & do what's right, Cori can't just steal it.

As far as I'm concerned, she is doing the equivalent of what a rescue would do for a puppy that was dumped at their drop box. Are rescues/shelters in the wrong because they will take on abandoned animals? Are they "enabeling" BYB-ers because the BYB-ers know that they can always dump unwanted puppies at a rescue? No. They're saving a life.

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I couldn't agree with you more.

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that's almost sick! yes, a lot of adult dogs do get PTS every year by shelters. so do puppies. just because the puppy has not had the chance at a life doesn't mean it is "less" than the adult dogs. shelters give the adoptee plenty of choices to find the right dog. homeless puppies should be treated the same as homeless dogs.

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Of course the puppies are not "less" than the adult dogs. However they would suffer "less" if euthanized at birth than an older dog that has already known love and been abandoned only to die alone and unloved in a shelter environment.

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They didn't even give the other puppies a proper burial. They threw them away outside in the trash can. :(

I mean I know they were already deceased, but I would have at least buried them instead of throwing them away with the garbage.

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As far as disposing of stillborn puppies in the trash; once again that's a matter of individual preference and wouldn't be an issue for many people.

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Well that kinda depends on the local laws where they live. In some places it's very illegal to dispose of dead animals in the trash, while in other places it's illegal to bury them in your back yard.

That's true. We couldn't bury our dogs bodies in our back yard; but it was okay to bury their ashes there.

I just looked up our local laws regarding pet disposal and it's also illegal to dispose of dead animals in the garbage. They're supposed to be picked up by a commercial animal disposal company at the owners expense. I don't know if the law is enforced or not.

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Of course the puppies are not "less" than the adult dogs. However they would suffer "less" if euthanized at birth than an older dog that has already known love and been abandoned only to die alone and unloved in a shelter environment.

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Not wishing to get into debate over euthanasia, but it is what it is. Euthanasia is euthanasia. Whatever your thoughts on it, both a newborn and an adult will NOT know what is happening, and the older dog might even take a needle better than a puppy will.

My -personal- opinion on it in regards to shelters...and I hope I'm not bashed for this...is why spend the money and volunteer hours on a sick animal? I would rather that maybe $1000-$3000 be spent on multiple healthy animals. Yes I definately agree that a suffering animal should be taken out of a bad situation, but if it is going to cost a lot, maybe it's better to be humanely PTS to be able to help other dogs. I am saying this strictly for shelters and rescues, there are great individuals out there who do help out injured animals and that is wonderful. I hope you get what I'm saying...

I think it's harsh to say that all shelter puppies should be PTS. If that were to happen, people that want a puppy would go to other sources (BYBs and the like) and maybe not fix their animal and the cycle would continue.

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The estimates are that 5 to 9 million unwanted dogs are put to death every year in the united states. How many football stadiums stacked to the roof would those lifeless bodies fill? The majority of these dogs are 6 months and over. The big question is: if so many puppies weren't taken in and made available would these "older" dogs have a better chance of being saved by adoption?

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I know all of this. Both of my dogs are rescues, and I have volunteered/fostered for 4 years and I will continue to for the rest of my life, hopefully.

You could argue that puppies aren't worth as much as adult dogs. You could ALSO argue that adult dogs have actually had a chance to live at least some of their life, while pups have had no chance. Killing ANY animal that is healthy & well-adjusted only because of lack of homes is really horrible in any case and at any age, I'm sure everyone here knows that.

I just feel it goes against the whole rescuing ideal to favor an adult dog over a puppy. They're all innocent animals, and all of them deserve to live, no matter their age.

Areias is right, some people will just always want puppies, and BYB's & PM's will fill that demand if no pups were available at shelters. I adopted a puppy. If the rescue hadn't taken in him & his Mom, who knows where he would be now? I adopted my other dog when he was over 6 months. I love both of them equally, and both equally deserve a happy, safe life.

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Not wishing to get into debate over euthanasia, but it is what it is. Euthanasia is euthanasia. Whatever your thoughts on it, both a newborn and an adult will NOT know what is happening, and the older dog might even take a needle better than a puppy will.

My -personal- opinion on it in regards to shelters...and I hope I'm not bashed for this...is why spend the money and volunteer hours on a sick animal? I would rather that maybe $1000-$3000 be spent on multiple healthy animals. Yes I definately agree that a suffering animal should be taken out of a bad situation, but if it is going to cost a lot, maybe it's better to be humanely PTS to be able to help other dogs. I am saying this strictly for shelters and rescues, there are great individuals out there who do help out injured animals and that is wonderful. I hope you get what I'm saying...

I think it's harsh to say that all shelter puppies should be PTS. If that were to happen, people that want a puppy would go to other sources (BYBs and the like) and maybe not fix their animal and the cycle would continue.

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The suffering I referred to was not in reference to the actual euthanasia but the emotional pain of being abused and abandonded prior to the euthanasia.

That's an excellent point about people wanting puppies and turning to back yard breeders and puppy mill sources if they can't find them at the shelters.

I completely agree that even though every individual animal is important; the resources must be used where they can do the most good for the greater number of animals.

We've had several tragic cases recently in my area in which the rescues used horribly sick and injured animals for publicity to increase their donations. One off them was an old sick starving race horse that was already down. The estimated cost of short term treatment was $10,000! Another was a dog that had been horribly injured in a fight. Short term treatment estimates were around $4000.00. Most of his body was covered in stitches and drain tubes. At the time they knew full well that those animals could not survive, yet they kept them alive as long as possible to milk the donations. In my opinion that is animal cruelty. It's even worse when it's done by those who are dedicated to saving animals from pain and suffering.

There will always be animals in need and individuals to help them. And there will always be ethical dilemmas such as those that have been discussed here. Rescue is never an easy task, nor are there any "one size fits all" solutions.

Please visit Cori's newest thread. The sweet puppy that she tried her hardest to save has passed to the RB. I think this thread should come to an end now, as she has had enough grief on top of this.