News Flash!

I saw you are removing yourself from here, but if you see this, accord, PLEASE please PLEASE read this all!!!!!
http://www.furryfriendsfoundation.co...heLastWalk.htm
It is not your fault, and no one is blaming you, you are just misinformed. Here are some quotes from this article.
"'I look at the list, and some nights it's 20 dogs, 15 cats. My God, that's too many. That's the sad part. But where would they go?"'

"26,000 of them dogs and cats, are impounded. Of the 30,000, about 3,000 are adopted out and 3,500 are taken in by other shelters and rescue facilities, if they have room. Perhaps 5,000 more are reclaimed by their owners. The rest? You do the math. "People have to understand we don't have a choice," says Melanie Sobel, director of program services at Animal Care and Control. "This is an open-door shelter, we're open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. People just don't realize the magnitude."'


And here they are talking about euthenizing dogs, just in one shelter, one of about 4 or 5 for this area.

The smallest could be 10, but they average 25," she says. "It could go as high as 35. I don't think I've ever gone more than 40. And I don't think I've ever seen a day of zero. Not with the number of impoundments we do. That'd mean every dog we impounded was perfect for adoption. And that just doesn't happen."

I really hope you choose to stay around here and learn and continue to let the wonderful members of pet talk educate you. We all understand that these quotes are the reality of this country, and that it is by all means not pretty. Please do your part to eventually stop it.

~~Eva.:)

Ugh this whole story makes me sick :(

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Originally posted by LorraineO
My GAWD girl.... you use your impairment as an excuse,, that initself is inexcuseable,,,

you cant afford treatment and so a pup dies needlessly??

youre breeding siblings?????

You say you got them shots in one post,, then in the next breath,, you say your GETTING them the next day?


You claim to remove yourself from the board and in the same post,, warn us to not post anything negative and demand to see something good when you get back later??

If I lived near you,, I would report you!

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So would I. EVeryone learns from mistakes and I REALLY hope you learn from your mistake(s)!!! I certainly would report you if I lived near you.

What do ya do? This seems to be a common attitude unfortunately.The more you try to educate, the more they get defensive.

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Originally posted by MsMini
What do ya do? This seems to be a common attitude unfortunately.The more you try to educate, the more they get defensive.

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What makes me the sickest about it is that no matter how much good help and advice she has been given, she is only getting angrier by the minute. Are these dogs any better off than they were to begin with? I'm really not sure. Accord: You tell everyone to stop acting like they're above you. You're the one that is acting like you're above everybody. Why are you so defensive? I think you're the one that started all the negativity so be careful of what you're accusing others of doing. These are just helpful suggestions, questions, and concerns. Something is very clear to me and many others obviously, you are seriously confused. I believe there are many more issues in your life that are causing this reaction from you. You have contradicted yourself so many times it's hard to believe. Do you understand the purpose of this board? Am I right in saying(among other things)that yesterday you were broke so bad you could barely get by and today you're working and making $16 an hour. What you've been saying is, for the most part, making very little sense. Are you aware of this? Anyway.......congrats on your job and I truly hope everything works out for you. God Bless your beautiful dogs. What can you buy in jail? Terry(D & D's Mom)

I just hope the pups make it and get to new homes and there won't be any more pups there to get sick...:(

AMEN MsMini!!!!!!:D

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Originally posted by MsMini
I just hope the pups make it and get to new homes and there won't be any more pups there to get sick...:(

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me too sorry I misread your last post :o amen to that sister!

All I can say is WOW :(

After reading this all over again , it just makes me sad.

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Originally posted by Accord

Also jadepit, I saw the website and it makes me puke. There is no way those pits will end up like that. I love them so much that they wont suffer like that. Eeeh its nasty. ::shivers::

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It makes me cry, it makes everyone cry, and it happens in literally every big city in the U.S., daily. How do you know your pups won't turn out that way (I am callign them your pups because they are YOUR responsibility now, whether you're "babysitting" them or not, you can choose a good home for them in you want to)? What about THEIR puppies (which they inevitably WILL produce since their owners are ignorant and will not spay them)?! Have you given the new owners adoption contracts? Will you take these dogs back in 1-10 years if the new owners don't want them anymore? If you don't, they could EASILY end up in horrible hands and being used as bait dogs or fighting dogs, or breeding for the rest of their lives. Again, the SPCA will spay/neuter those Pit puppies for FREE! If I were you, no, I would not allow some one to adopt any dog if they believed altering a dog is "mean". Whats really mean is allowing your unspayed dog to be impregnated, giving birth twice a year for the rest of her life. It is really mean to give those puppies to people who don't know a thing about dogs, and who will probably lose interest and abandon the dogs later on. It has happened many, many times before. You SAY they won't end up that way, but obviously you have NO way of knowing that.

I don't think you realize the HUGEness of this. Those two females can (and probably will :() produce HUNDREDS of puppies in their lifetime! Pittie puppies are unfortunately a dime a dozen in shelters because of all of the irresponsible abusive neglectful exploitative people who tend to breed these dogs, and you can be sure that most of them will be PTS. It's a vicious cycle, and YOU can prevent that right now! It IS up to you, you can turn down those people who supposedly didn't want the pups to be spayed, and you can find responsible, wonderful owners for the pups who know something about dogs. I don't know if you realize that these puppies aren't property or merchandise, they have feelings, souls, and lives too.

*Been withdrawn* Ok. Im going to let this go.

I have been jobless for 4 yrs and still trying to get a job, and luckly I got the job yesturday and went through the basic steps. And now starting tmw full time from 8am to 8pm. Possibly 7 days a week depending on what happens.

I may have one friend that has the puppy brought.. might spay her.. She is re considering since she still feels it may hurt them since they are young.. But she is also thinking that its wise because of responsiblity. So shes talking with her boyfriend to see what he says. Since hes the one that put the money down on it.

Whatever happens it happens. If you guys think the puppies are in grave danger, why dont I send you some pictures of them and you guys can see what you think. Their tummy is full of food. Their pen is cleaned every day before I go to bed. They are running around and having a good time for 2 hrs. Since my husband works and I work. Im up at 6am, get them out, clean it in 10 minutues, feed them. Since I have no idea how bad parvo can be outside... *REMEMBER they had their shots and passed the parvo and other disease test* so what do you guys think? So when can they go outside and be potty trained?

Then I get ready, have breakfast, get my daughter ready. Give them a huge bowl of water for during the day, extra dog food is given before I leave. Take my daughter to the baby sitter's and then Im off to work till 8 at night. So whats wrong now?

Well IM going to bed. Im tired... I hurt, I work with BIG cats-courgars, 6 of them. Half of the day and then the other half is humans.

NOW this is where it gets interesting, thers a cougar at this property Im working at, his name is Ozzy, and hes a 1 yr old cougar who has brain damage from too much athusia (to put them to sleep for surgery procedure) and the vet declawed him too short. By Colorado Law, you have to have a permit and have one huge-wild animal for one year before you can get more and go on. For that one year period, there has to be no reports of troublism, livestock kills etc. And the permit passed. so now there are 6 cougars. But Im workin with the one that has brain damage. Im excited.

Good night.

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Originally posted by Accord
And I expect to see some positive stuff on here. and not arguable issues.

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I'm one to rarely get into something like this but PLEASE!
YOU expect to see some positive stuff on here? After the way you 've treated everyone...I highly doubt it.
You've treated everyone with no respect when all they've tried to do is to better educate you. You've cursed, blamed and yelled at everyone.

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Orginally posted by Accord
IF THE BUYER WANTS THEM SPAYED, THATS FINE. THEY PAY FOR IT. IF THEY DONT. THEN DONT HARRASS ME FOR IT. CAUSE I AM NOT GOING TO DISAGREE. ONCE ITS BROUGHT, IS "AS IS" THE BUYER CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT.

Now no more drama. Let them go. I dont need some mean people jumping on me because Im new here.

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So, the puppies are things:rolleyes: That's so sad:(
And btw, no one jumped on you because you were new or because of your hearing problem.
You say the puppies are all fine and have been tested. Not really sure if I believe that but I hope it's true and they all live a long healthy life.

If this upset you, well I'd say I'm sorry but I'm not. This is a public forum and I have the right to speak my mind just like you did.

Anna

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Originally posted by LorraineO
If I lived near you,, I would report you!

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Yep. Me too. :( What a sad situation for those puppies. :(

Hello Im Dusty, and I was reading this post, and wow its quick with drawing attention. I was reading everything from Accord and you ladies. And I most of agree with everything you ladies are saying.
Yes the ladies are trying to help Accord understand what BYB means. And yes I do understand that of course. And I see you ladies aren't showing quite enough encouragements for Accord. I dont see anything positive in there, saying that she did her job by getting the puppies checked and getting their first shots.
So Accord Congrandulations for getting their check ups and their shots. Thats good news. And Im glad they have a negative respnose to the viruses. So thats excellent news.
Also ladies, I dont think that was polite to say that you would say "If I live close to you, I will report you" naughty ladies, thats not nice to say. Say something that would be a little better then that. I think Accord is probably reading this but won't reply. Try to encourage her. I see why she's defensive is because you ladies are some what scaring her and sort of puting her down after all she was able to do. Please try not to put her down for those mistakes she made, I make mistakes too, and Im sure you girls do too. No one is perfect. I think you girls maybe have overwhelmed her with anxiety and pressure with her and the puppies. You girls should be thankful that she took them, feed them, love them, get their shots on time. I know Accord from another forum but I can't say it. She has told me some about it, and She told me that the mommy of those puppies abandoned them and she worked hard to save them. One of them almost died and she saved it. So please make her feel better. She feels insecured cause she doesn't have a lot of friends. So please try to have a gentle heart and help her and encourage her ok? I also think you ladies MIGHT be reading between the lines. Please dont think Im taking her side, Im not taking the ladies' side as well. Im just pointing out what you laidies have proven, and what Accord has tried to do. So Im not taking both sides. But did you read her recent post? That she is not going to breed the puppies? Did you ladies read that her dog didn't die in her hands for something she tried to save with the skills she have? Do you ladies know that it was not her fault that she thought that her puppy had her first shots? <dont blame her for not knowing it-she thought she knew, but felt the seller was full of shit> (Forgive me for my bad language, ::Tells myself bad boy:: Accord felt she knew that her puppy had the shots. But please dont try to blame her for not knowing that her puppy had no update shots. Sometimes the seller would lie just to get rid of them quicker. Again, remember, they thought their puppy had their first shot before they were claimed. Please try to understand that ok? So Im pretty sure Accord is fighting with her mom to get papers and information on her puppy's health.
Accord, Im pretty sure you rather hear this from a guy, right? I know the ladies aren't trying to be mean or to jump on you, you know that they are trying to help, but yes I agree how you feel that if they were being a little uptense about the "If I live close to you I will report you" I think they were trying to scare you. So dont worry. I know you can take care of them. Dont give up. Since you are working and helping your friends out. Encouraging THEM to hopefully spay/neuter their puppies. I have a good feeling that you wont breed your puppies... Mmm.. I wonder if you have another one for sale? Ill help pay to spay/neuter it for you. To relieve some stress. I hope you have one! I really want a boy. Its a guy thing. Sorry. :D Do you know what shots they have up to date? When is their next shot due? How much?
Ok girls are we going to be able to take care of this? Are we going to be a team to help Accord and encourage her? Are we going to stop blaming each other? Are we going to help Accord pull this through? Are we a team?
Ladies, encourage Accord to help get through the day.
Accord, please accept their encouragement and do what you can do to achieve this Puppy Goal. Everyone can do it, I know you can. Be strong. Be yourself and make it happen. Hope to see you on the Forum that we talked from.
Take care of those sweet rascals for me. If you have one for sale, let me know and I can buy it, help get it neutered/spayed, and their next shots. Im here for you since you are a sweet girl. And you done everything you could. Be positive and strong. Let the ladies give you advice, dont turn them down, open up to them please? Let them be a friend to you, like you are with me.
Love you Accord

Dusty

PS: Have Faith OK?

ok, am I the only one thinking *someone* is making multiple screen names???? maybe I'm just overly annoyed right now, but this is what I'm thinking now...

Just FYI...most women don't appreciate being called girls....you are coming off as being a mcp...jmho.

Of course not!
Are you guys getting upset?
What is MCP and JMHO? :confused:
Well what do you want me to call you? I was being respectful. Should I being calling you guys Ma'ams? The American way?:confused:

I tried to help both of ladies and Accord. So If you want me to leave, I will be happy to.

I don't think its necessary to differentiate anybody being male or female...why do you feel its necessary?

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Originally posted by LuckyIrish
Of course not!
Are you guys getting upset?
What is MCP and JMHO? :confused:
Well what do you want me to call you? I was being respectful. Should I being calling you guys Ma'ams? The American way?:confused:

I tried to help both of ladies and Accord. So If you want me to leave, I will be happy to.

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I won't say anything about the rest of yours or anyone else's posts except to say that the "girls" comment didn't offend me. I took at is a "come on, girls" like you would say to friends. I actually thought you were a woman just from your post. And, again, I'm not saying anything about the rest of the posts in this thread at all, but, I will tell you that I'm guessing mcp means male chauvenistic pig (although I've never seen it abbreviated) and JMHO means just in my humble opinion. A lot of people that chat online frequently use a lot of those things (like LOL, ROFL, JMO, etc), they're called acronyms and they're popular online. But, anyway, that's what they mean by that.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

:: checks down south :: I know Im a guy, thanks for noticing Finn's Mom :D

Well most women have very strong powerful words, casey's mom. And I think Accord felt it was to strong for her. So I thought I join and read, learn and understand and help everyone out. I didn't want all of you sweet ladies to feel she has turned against you ladies. I'll admit this, girls are smarter.
And I was thinking that from a man's perspective was to help clear the fog up and be extra helpful. Shockly theres about nearly 100 replies on here. And I thought maybe I can be helpful to you ladies and her, Accord. So we all can be happy. I was just helping :: gives puppy eyes of innonce ::

:rolleyes:

Do you want me to leave you ladies alone? Do you want me to leave and never come back? You dont love me? :: wah! :: :(

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Originally posted by LuckyIrish
:: checks down south :: I know Im a guy, thanks for noticing Finn's Mom :D

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Ok. Sure. :D

I agree with LuckyIrish's sentiments in his post, that encouragement for even small steps in the right direction will do the most to help both people and pups involved. I have ALWAYS felt that positive reinforcement goes much further to help in the long run than negative. I do think there are very good, informative posts here that Accord can learn from. I also do think Accord has been overly defensive with some people who are genuinely trying to be kind and helpful in sharing their knowledge. I do agree that Accord should be applauded for the steps she has taken so far to make things better, and for deciding not to breed and that spaying and neutering is best.

I don't think LuckyIrish was trying to offend or demean anyone. I think he is merely encouraging the advisors and the advisee to calmly work together to get these pups in the best situation possible for them. I do realize strong emotions are involved for the welfare of these pups, but if you react from pure anger you will probably end up hurting them, and possibly future pups, more than helping, because an offended and defensive person is not someone very open to learning new ideas. If you just merely get angry, and run her off the board, how does that help the pups?

By "you" I mean no one, and everyone. In other words, I do not mean these words specifically for any one person, but something for every one of us here, including me, to consider.

In closing, Accord I truly do applaud and appreciate the steps you have taken to make sure your pups are getting the best care possible. I realize you are limited in income and resources, and would simply advise you to keep the things many posters here have been saying in mind, and try to get those pups into the best possible situation you can. I do hope you are able to convince the new owners to spay/neuter. I hope you can understand our fears here for them, that is why we feel so strongly about them being fixed. Thank you for considering our words Accord. Truly my best wishes go out to you.

Wow! That's a lot of post.

Guys? I'm sorry that I was being a little defensive. I read the posts and I re thought abt what I did and how I have treated you guys. I'm sorry for cussing and blaming. I do feel upset and trying my best.

I'm glad Dusty joined and help us out. I hope he's not chasing ya'll (teasing and being funny).

Thank you Dusty for helping me out. And I re thought everything I did. I feel a little better. Just hoping the pet talk memebers will forgive me and help me.

Thank you
Accord

I don't see how LuckyIrish did anything wrong.

I think this needs to end right now. I see alot of places it's gone too far. I think the educational part of it started to get a little bit nasty...Everyone is acting out in what they feel is best and that's easy to understand, as I come from the majority's point of view. But enough is enough, and if no one has changed anyone's mind so far, it isn't going to do any good to beat the dead horse. It's dead, let's just let it go. Accord did the right thing by getting the puppy's shots...and the rest everyone can just grin and bear because no one is going to shift. If we want to preach about BYBing and whatnot, why don't we start a new thread? This thread has gone off-topic and frankly it is getting old...I hope someone agrees with me because I'm just tired of the arguing.

Thank you K9Soul

Girls? Should we help Accord? Lets get her some resources! I checked online to see if there was an SPCA in her town, and there isn't, but in Denver, which is a long drive for Accord. I was reading in another post and I dont remember what it was, but something about a Hochie K something Humane Society.(if spelled right, please dont think its bad. Im lousy with remembering things and spelling things. Sorry) I can call them for her and find out the prices and stuff like that.
Trust me, Accord is a sweet girl. She loves those puppies and she would love to have you guys help her. Right Accord?
Accord, I know you are on, I see you on the bottom of the screen where everyone is in and how many people are on. Your friends are here and they will help you every step of the way, please be thankful for them. They will be there for you as I will be there, too.

No one here wanted to attack you or upset you, it's just that we all wanted to make sure you realized that no matter who's puppy it was before... and who was supposed to get the puppy's it's shots... the fact is that once the puppy is in your care, YOU are 100% responsible for it's health and well being. NEVER take anything for granted, always be cautious.

As far as the people buying the puppies and not wanting to get them spayed because it will hurt them. That is NOT acceptable nor is it responsible of you. If you want(ed) to do the right thing, you would have them neutered/spayed before they left your home. No two ways around it.

We all care about animals so much, that it's easy for us to see the errors of others ways, and sometimes its the first time those people realize what they are doing is wrong.
We want to help you learn to be more of a responsible pet owner, the world needs more!!!

Accord,
Here is the info. Call them, I know they will be able to give you a lot of info and help you out.


Humane Society Roice Hurst
970-434-7337
3320 D1/2 Rd
Clifton, Colorado 81520


Humane Society of W Colorado
303-243-8823
326 Main St
Grand Junction, Colorado 81501

LOL hochie? Dusty! I think you were talking abt the Roice-Hurst Humane Society, JadaPit mentioned that in General Post. How can u call them? Your in Utah. Well here's the number just in case, 970-434-7337.

I need to get back to work.

Thank you guys for helping, encuraging and trying to deal with me.

Love to you all
Accord

Thats My Girl! Ok, Im going to call them right now. And I'll the information on here for you so you can check it out later when ever you get off work.
Calling . . . Ringing 1 . . . 2 . . . (yay got an answer) Collecting information and writing it down Hang on Girls :-D
Ok heres the information. They do spay/neuter puppies, BUT they have to be 3 months old. The prices PER puppy by weight is about $55.00 The lady asked me if they had their shots, and told her yes. And told her that Accord has proof, and she says its perfect. So Accord, on June 6th, the puppies are ready to have themself spayed/neutered. They also said they can give Rabies shots the same time which is 10 bucks each.
Save money! Plus thats a lot of money. Talk to the buys ok? Let me add up the price all together, a rough estimate.
:: Adding ::
Total Rough Estimate is: $195.00


(Your puppy, Bailey, your friend's puppy, and other friend's puppy)
Accord left an email and told me that the boy puppy is for sale. Any one want it?! Moo-moo is his name. Male, white with black cow spots on it, and here's the cool part, He has a little black heart on the left hand side of his side. Let me attach the picture from my computer. Done. Ill have Accord attach more pictures of him if you guys want him.
I am going to have some lunch. Thank god today is my day off. So Im havin fun :D

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ok, am I the only one thinking *someone* is making multiple screen names???? maybe I'm just overly annoyed right now, but this is what I'm thinking now...

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I was thinking the exact same thing! The writing and talk sound very similar. :confused: First it was Johnny 5 (how original) and now it's Dusty (why that wonderful name?). Personally, this thread has caused enough grief on Pet Talk. Perhaps if we all ignore it, it will stop. We obviously have said enough to convince her and now she has to make the choice, which she said she did.

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Originally posted by Dixieland Dancer
I was thinking the exact same thing! The writing and talk sound very similar. :confused: First it was Johnny 5 (how original) and now it's Dusty (why that wonderful name?). Personally, this thread has caused enough grief on Pet Talk. Perhaps if we all ignore it, it will stop. We obviously have said enough to convince her and now she has to make the choice, which she said she did.

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Well said. I had exactly the same thought.

What they said :D

:confused: :confused: :rolleyes: :( :eek: :confused:

Johnny 5 is Accord's husband. Does he have a user name on here too?

Plus common sense, how would you ladies think that Accord have the screen names on at the same time if Im on? Ladies, you saw her and me on at the same time. So how would that be different? I dont understand? :confused: :confused: :confused: