A poll for the women...

Richard and Trev: how brave of you to participate in this debate.

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We pass gas, smell up the bathroom, our feet smell and we can belch at will. We snore, scratch our crotch

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....and you think this is limited to men??? Ha! You should visit my house after a long day at work and I've just kicked my shoes off....no wonder I can't find a date.....;) :eek:

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caught a gal checking out my arse....

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:D :D That's my favourite pass time....why do you think I was walking behind you at the airport last year.....;)
BTW, is it true that the way to a man's heart is through his stomach??:confused:

One more thing....I don't blame men for all my baggage but after being with drunks, losers and enduring years of verbal abuse, I'm tired of carrying around extra luggage. Am I beautiful? NO...my past experiences tell me I'm ugly inside and out. Am I able to change that attitude? ABSOLUTELY, and that's what I'm trying to do!

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Originally posted by Jadapit
I love your moms saying Richard! Very true. Here is a picture of Pamela Anderson with no makeup. Don't forget her boob are fake.:p

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I'm not even gonna bother looking.

I heard someone say that she is a caricature of pop culture.......

That a woman would be seen on a home videio tape and then pretend that nothing happened. .......She's a scummy broad with no scruples.....

Give her 10 more years
I'll be waiting for that day....
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PT gives everyone a chance to speak with their heart.

You see all sides of a person in the written words.

So, what's the big deal about the wrapper???

It's the candy inside!

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Originally posted by Jadapit
I love your moms saying Richard! Very true. Here is a picture of Pamela Anderson with no makeup. Don't forget her boob are fake.:p
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid165/p98faca58a
a71f91bb057dc13383d7cf2/f4733819.jpg

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Wow! She looks horrible! Like some drunk. I had no idea. Thanks for showing us that. Makeup sure works miracles, doesn't it?

my uncle went to school with pamala anderson, he knew her BEFORE she went fake lol he said she used be be really pretty.

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Originally posted by dukedogsmom
Wow! She looks horrible! Like some drunk. I had no idea. Thanks for showing us that. Makeup sure works miracles, doesn't it?

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I think she's still pretty.

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Originally posted by slick


One more thing....I don't blame men for all my baggage but after being with drunks, losers and enduring years of verbal abuse, I'm tired of carrying around extra luggage. Am I beautiful? NO...my past experiences tell me I'm ugly inside and out. Am I able to change that attitude? ABSOLUTELY, and that's what I'm trying to do!

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I'm very glad about that mate. I think you've already done it. You just have to accept that you have. :)

"Live long and prosper":)

Pam Anderson was discovered at a Canadian Football League game.

Her pic was put up on the stadium scoreboard when the camera was looking at the crowd.

A person with the LaBatts beer company saw her and they made her a model for their beer.....She was light years better looking then.


Now she's a spokesperson for the plastics industry.

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Originally posted by Kfamr
Anna, your words couldn't be any more true.
I think you and Amy are both gorgeous people, inside and OUT.

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Well thank you very much Kay:o And you know that I think your beautiful as well (no matter what you think!):D

I make a concerted effort each day to allow myself to feel beautiful. I *think* that is the best way to put it. I don't feel beautiful in every situation or every single day, but I'm able to convince myself of it more than half of the time. I have never had the unfortunate experience of having a significant other degrade me, verbally abuse me or put me down. I'm very sorry some of you had such experiences. :(

I certainly don't judge myself or others around me by some "Hollywood standard". I see beauty in everyone around me. Beauty is not a mathematical equation for symmetry nor is it even something definite, but rather it is infinite and increases daily.

I have only thought about it this way since leaving the high school environment - I thought I should add that.

Me beautiful? NO NO NO noooo... :o

Maybe if I lost about 30 or 40 lbs I wouldn't look so bad... I don't think it would make that much of a difference though! :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by RICHARD

PT gives everyone a chance to speak with their heart.

You see all sides of a person in the written words.

So, what's the big deal about the wrapper???

It's the candy inside! [/B]

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thank you richard for that wisdom. i'm gonna steal that
:cool: :p .
in the last 18 months i've lost over 120# (gastric bypass). i WAS a beautiful woman at 290# and i AM a beautiful woman at 150#. it's not body form that makes you beautiful. i get to wake up every morning and know that my furries love me, my family loves me and my friends love me, and after a long hard time of learning, i love me too. i can see how differently people respond to me now and how they did 19 months ago, but i am still the same and i still am beautiful, large or small. i looked at the pictures of the PT'ers, and we're knockouts, each one of us.

No!

Well, I think I'm lovely.

You're ALL lovely, or you wouldn't be on this website. Anyone who loves animals the way you all do must be lovely. Just stay flexible enough and you can kiss your own stretch-marks, never mind anyone else doing it.

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Originally posted by slick
I voted....and that's all I'm going to say.

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Ditto

I have never seen an ugly person on this website. You are all gorgeous.

Slick, you are a beautiful woman - never forget it!

The men on this thread have spoken more sense than most (an unusual experience for Richard :D . I loved Shirley Valentine - too long since I've seen it!)

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Slick, you are a beautiful woman - never forget it!

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Oh Karen, I've only just seen this now. Thank you so very much for what you said but when I look in the mirror, that's not what I see.

O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us.
-Robert Burns

I'm not beautiful - but I'm cute/pretty.

Define beautiful....

beautiful

adj 1: delighting the senses or exciting intellectual or emotional admiration; "a beautiful child"; "beautiful country"; "a beautiful painting"; "a beautiful theory"; "a beautiful party" [ant: ugly] 2: aesthetically pleasing 3: (of weather) highly enjoyable; "what a beautiful day"



I have always had really low self-esteem. I would say that by "Hollywood" or "Media" standards, I would not consider myself beautiful, however my husband tells me several times a day I am.
I keep the picture of his former actress girlfriend in the kitchen to remind me, He Chose ME. :D But, if we are defining beautiful as something other that looks, then yes I would have to say I am.

I voted yes, tho' all I wanted was pie...;)

Everyone has SOMETHING beautiful about them. Even if you don't see it, we do.

Beauty is not skin deep...it goes much further than that.

One can be beautiful on the outside, yet ugly on the inside.

Yes, I'm beautiful. In my own way. As are you all.

:)

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Originally posted by joycenalex
thank you richard for that wisdom. i'm gonna steal that
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LOL,

Everyone loves candy!:D

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Originally posted by manda_moo87
Me beautiful? NO NO NO noooo... :o

Maybe if I lost about 30 or 40 lbs I wouldn't look so bad... I don't think it would make that much of a difference though! :rolleyes:

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Ditto

No, but I believe I'd feel better if I lost about 50lbs.

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Originally posted by slick
I voted....and that's all I'm going to say.

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Same here

I sadly have a very low self-esteem, and I think that I'm the most hideous person in the world, mental and physical!:(

jesse that makes me incredibly sad to hear you think so little of yourself, I am not one with a great high self esteem either, but I try to look at my good points, from time to time instead of focusing on my bad and that helps me some.

Sweetie please feel better about yourself, everyone is a worthwhile person in their own right, I just have to wonder what has happened in your life to make you feel so Bad about yourself.

Hugs and look in the mirror once in a while and smile and say I am a good person and I love myself today and everyday.:)

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Hugs and look in the mirror once in a while and smile and say I am a good person and I love myself today and everyday.

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Carole, I know this comment was not directed at me but I've been told the same thing by other people.

This is extremely hard to do when you have spent your whole life telling yourself otherwise. All we can do is try to change our attitudes and that does not happen overnight. Trust me on this one.....I'm staring 53 in the face and still working on it.

It's also hard when situations and men have told you otherwise your WHOLE LIFE. I don't even like looking in the mirror and do it as little as possible.

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Originally posted by dukedogsmom
It's also hard when situations and men have told you otherwise your WHOLE LIFE. I don't even like looking in the mirror and do it as little as possible.

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I hear ya! :( :(

I don't think I am beautiful when I look in the mirror but when I look in Casey's eyes I feel beautiful!

if i was pretty i would be so happy :rolleyes: :)

if we, women are beautiful, how come we are in the dog house...? :o ;)

hey guys, if you say you're ugly, then I am too. creatures too, plants too and so on... because we all were born with our faces innocently..growing in the same way with one heart...you can't help it. especially feeling the beauty of your life you're living -- don't you?!

screw the wicked mirrors, >> I << SAY you all ARE beautiful..period. please, in and out. take it or leave it :o :) hugs to all of you ~ :(

wolfchan, in your words.. do you feel you are?

You know, I never realized it until now, how great of an influence society have on children in how they view themselves.

My sister is becoming a nurse, and recently had one of her clinicals in the pediatric center. Her case? A twelve year old anorexic. A female nurse has to watch her take a shower, because she tries to fit in whatever exercises she could in the shower. Jumping jacks, crunches, you name it. They also had to have someone watch her 24 hours to make sure she ate her food, and did not throw it up.

It's terrible :(

Slick and Val, I too suffer from low self esteem, so I know what you are saying and where you are coming from, I was only trying to cheer Jesse up, she seems to feel so bad about herself, it is worrying to hear someone say that about themselves, I was always told it is better to think positive than negative, so I guess my comments re-the mirror were just trying to re-inforce that.

I have trouble practicing what I preach, believe me.:(

I really don't know how to answer that question. In my life I've had one guy tell me I was a beautiful woman and don't ever let anyone tell you different and that happened in just the last year. I was married to a man for 26 years, who told me often that I was not pretty and no other man would every want me. So I stuggle with that. At times I think I'm cute but beautiful no.

Persianmom, that was how he kept you wedded to him, made you feel insecure/unattractive so you'd never consider anyone else would be interested in you. It was to cover his own insecurity. What a creep. The one you are with sounds so much better and I'm pleased for you:) Good luck!!

My dad always made me feel worthless and not pretty. My ex's weren't much better.

Now I'm much older and don't listen to others very much. I think I'm OK to look at, but not beautiful. Inside I am.

Guess my priorities are a little different now.

Mary

I've never thought of myself as beautiful, but it's just been in the last 5-10 years that I've decided I like my face. It's not perfect, but I've lived a hard life to get it and it's a great face. I've also learned (throught a lot of trial and error) that if I don't like me, how can I expect anyone else to.

MY SO is funny - he never says I'm beautiful but he makes me feel that way by his actions. Kind of hard to explain, but he's helped me learn to like myself and feel good about myself by accepting me as I am - with no need to change.

And if it hasn't been said enough, I refuse to accept that people who care so much for others (fur and skin) cannot possibly be anything but beatiful!!

I voted no! I don't think I am. I think I have good things about myself. I like my smile and my eyes, but that isn't enough to me, for me to think I am beautiful. I am a very caring person, but again that doesn't make me beautiful. I would love to lose 60 pounds but I don't think that would help. I would look better yes, but would that make me become beautiful? I don't think it will. My pets love me for whole I am, which makes me wonder what they see that I don't.. I like being me some days (that is one thing that I think makes people beautiful, liking who they are) other days I get so tired of the pain from my past that I hate myself.

Every day I look in the mirror and I tell myself that I am beautiful. I have been doing this for the last few months or so. It has helped a little. I can now pick out the good things in myself. I can also pick out the bad things as well. Will that ever change? I have no idea, but I hope some day it will. I want to think I am beautiful, I want to think that I am a great person, I want to think that I am a fun person to be around. But today I don't think any of those things will ever come true. I could be wrong though. I hope I am wrong. We will see I guess.

Katie

Barbie and Walt Disney are the most evil people/things on the planet.

Beauty is a fleeting thing.

I laugh when i see Joan Rivers on TV......the skin is ok looking but what's up with the facial features.

I see a lot of people during the day and when I see an ugly guy with a good looking gal i wonder for a minute then I have the answer....



Love.....


Face it folks,

beauty aint' poop unless you are loved..

;)

Some guy that hasn't seen me in about 2-3 years summed it up:

"The pretty short blonde, not beautiful, with a nice little body", which I think is a close description of how I feel about myself (only my body is not that little as he remembers :) )

Really, I have never considered myself beautiful, but I was always comfortable with how I looked (except when I was underweight - 92 pounds).

For me, it's much more important if a person is attractive than beautiful.