Huh? You'd think Japan would have this really ahead of us! That's pretty bad...
But I was just thinking, would they show a movie like that in the U.S. if there was Animal Cruelty? Maybe, I'm not sure. Do you know?
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Huh? You'd think Japan would have this really ahead of us! That's pretty bad...
But I was just thinking, would they show a movie like that in the U.S. if there was Animal Cruelty? Maybe, I'm not sure. Do you know?
Apparently scenes were cut out before showing the movie in the US because they were thought to be "too dramatic" for western viewers.
I had no idea about that mare incident in the Man from Snowy River. I remember being awed by the scenery in that movie.
That's why they edited out certain portions of the movie.Quote:
Originally posted by kevinrats
Huh? You'd think Japan would have this really ahead of us! That's pretty bad...
But I was just thinking, would they show a movie like that in the U.S. if there was Animal Cruelty? Maybe, I'm not sure. Do you know?
I didn't get a chance to watch it.
Eh, it's still adorable.:)
That's true, trip wires were very common. And, I don't know how they do it now, but I don't see how they can train horses to run in a group at full speed and suddenly fall, one after the other. It looks like very painful falling, too! I saw a movie a couple months ago, "The Missing", and I was cringing at what some of those poor horses appeared to go through.Quote:
Originally posted by Shelteez2
It wasn't that long ago when westerns were made and they used trip wires to make the horses fall when they were "shot".
A lot of those horses didn't make it out un-injured.
Laws have changed now, but perhaps back then they were different, especially in a different country.
All right everyone just needs to chill out about this okay...it's a movie okay. I personally have never seen it but that's because I don't find movies that just show scenes of animals with cheesy naration all that enjoyable...so kill me.
Unless you were there, you have no idea how the animals were treated...and don't go quoting the stuff about how the Japanese not having animal laws, because you know what? Just because they have lax rules regarding animals doesn't mean that there aren't still people who care about animals as much as or more then we do.
For all you know the crew for the movie could have been crawling with animal lovers, but like I said you don't know that, you can't know that...unless of course you somehow manage to build a time machine ala back to the future and go back in time to see them film the movie, but really that wouldn't be all that useful unless of course you can speak Japanese.
But honestly just take a chill pill people, there are more important things to worry about then how the animals were treated in a movie that was made in the early 80's and who have all most likely passed on to the RB.
Now if you'll excuse me I must now go and spend time in my happy place.
I have to say Crickit I find your attitude very complacent, yes this movie was made some years ago,however if the facts are that the animals were indeed mis-treated, and I AGREE with you that we should be stating facts/not maybe's, then indeed telling everyone just to take a chill pill,and that it's only a movie, kinda rubs me up the wrong way, because if everyone took that attitude, nothing would ever chance in our society, burying our head in the sand , does not change anything, it's people like Cass, who really can make a difference, by kicking up a stink about this particular movie may mean no more are made like that.
YES it maybe too late for this movie, but not for those to come.
Would be nice to know the complete facts for sure, but I think the fact that people on PT are getting a tad emotional and upset that maybe this movie did include abuse of animals is a positive step in the right direction, it has made me think ,next time I watch an animal story ,and not necessarily sit on my butt and do nothing about what I see if it expoilts animals in anyway.
It reminds me of the time a local circus was visiting and the dogs were in cages out in the hot sun, I did not just sit there and do nothing, I picked up the phone and reported it.
Well enough said, this is purely my opinion.
P.S I have to add I find this a very happy place to be, sorry you don't, this is not an argument, merely a debate with varied opinions.
Carole, it's okay that you find my post to be complacent, because some of it was. I'm not telling people to roll over and ignore stuff that they see in movies or real life that might harm animals. I was just pointing out that it's to late to do anything about this particular movie due to the fact that it's over 20 years old, and was made in a foreign country, so it would be a good idea for people to just relax before someone says something that they don't mean.Quote:
Originally posted by carole
I have to say Crickit I find your attitude very complacent, yes this movie was made some years ago,however if the facts are that the animals were indeed mis-treated, and I AGREE with you that we should be stating facts/not maybe's, then indeed telling everyone just to take a chill pill,and that it's only a movie, kinda rubs me up the wrong way, because if everyone took that attitude, nothing would ever chance in our society, burying our head in the sand , does not change anything, it's people like Cass, who really can make a difference, by kicking up a stink about this particular movie may mean no more are made like that.
YES it maybe too late for this movie, but not for those to come.
Would be nice to know the complete facts for sure, but I think the fact that people on PT are getting a tad emotional and upset that maybe this movie did include abuse of animals is a positive step in the right direction, it has made me think ,next time I watch an animal story ,and not necessarily sit on my butt and do nothing about what I see if it expoilts animals in anyway.
It reminds me of the time a local circus was visiting and the dogs were in cages out in the hot sun, I did not just sit there and do nothing, I picked up the phone and reported it.
Well enough said, this is purely my opinion.
P.S I have to add I find this a very happy place to be, sorry you don't, this is not an argument, merely a debate with varied opinions.
The reason I did my post was NOT to tell people to just totally forget what could have happened. It was more to get people to stop making assumptions about how the animals were treated in a country they've never been to that has different cultural values. And a decade where things like this were still looked on differently then they are today.
Did anyone stop to think that maybe the parts that were edited out of the American version of the movie weren't parts that they would find to gruesome but maybe parts that an american audience wouldn't understand from a cultural aspect? I personally have seen plenty of Japanese and movies from other Asian countries and the things that they have in their movies can be very confusing for one who doesn't understand how the country functions or the different customs that they use. True a couple of the movies I've seen have been banned in North America due to the violence in them but those were movies that were considered to be contraversial there as well.
Oh and before I forget I do find the board to be a happy place. My comment was more of a joke...that's my type of sense of humor, those who know me can probably relate to that. :D ;)
Good point!! and...Quote:
Originally posted by Crikit
Did anyone stop to think that maybe the parts that were edited out of the American version ...[were] parts that an american audience wouldn't understand from a cultural aspect?
I have no smurfin' idea what your talkin' about! ;) :DQuote:
Originally posted by Crikit
those who know me can probably relate to that.
I have not seen the movie in quite a few years but at the time enjoyed it.
You know what I think one of the problems is, is that some people who really enjoyed the movie might be feeling a bit accused of enjoying animal cruelty. I know that if a movie I had always loved was suddenly pointed out to have cruel things in the making or unethical, I would probably feel really torn and bummed out. I might feel attacked too if I still liked the movie, and wonder if others are passing judgement on me as a person because I do like it.
I'm just trying to look at things from the other side of the fence here. That's why I feel it is very important to be sure and not denounce anyone for liking the movie. Often when I sit down to a movie I trust the makers were ethical in the making of it and I try to just enjoy it and not worry about such things. Some people when they watch a film are more noticing of things and more questioning as to how that was achieved. I don't think either way is bad!
I think it's best when bringing something like this to light, if one tries to keep it factual and try not to 'attack' others for liking it because then it's most likely what you are presenting will be brushed off as overemotionalism.
These are my opinions and are not meant to be aimed at anyone at all :)
Well geez, everyone here knows I am overemotional anyway LOL! :p Truly, I calmed down a long time ago so I don't think bringing up fighting over and over is doing any good.
My stepfather is Japanese. His last name is Yoshitake, kinda like the mushrooms. Turns out he has the original film of this in his dad's (not alive anymore) collection or whatever. His father was the run who ran the Japanese Heritage Club in Southern California. According to my stepfather laws in Japan towards animals are pretty much zilch, and according to him, the parts of this movie that were edited were not because it was something us Americans could not understand, it was because certain portions of the movie would be upsetting to us Americans. My family is moving here this Summer. They are coming here for Spring break to search for a house. Once they get here I will make sure to watch this "original" movie and then I will come to my decision on it. As of now, I won't pass judgement on anyone until I learn a little more from my stepfather. His whole family is from Japan, so I can learn a lot. Funny, him being Japanese and he can barely speak it! :p
And as far as it being "just a movie", you're wrong. It wasn't just a movie, there were live animals in that movie that had a *chance* of being abused. Now, of course I have no proof but through what I hear from my father. Even if this movie was made a long time ago, and if I had proof of it being abusive towards animals during filming, there IS something I could do. I could start a petition for people to boycott this movie, and have people stop selling it. There's always something you can do.
Now again, we are all calm, so no need to bring it up furthur.
I have a friend from Japan, and she says this as well. I don't think I said anything about the Japanese not liking animals --- I simply stated that they don't have strong laws when it comes to animals. I never said they weren't people either. It just bothers me that someone might think I'm suddenly racist just because I said Japan doesn't have good animal laws. I know a few laws in Canada that I'm not happy with, including some animal laws. It doesn't mean I think all Canadians hate animals.Quote:
Originally posted by luckies4me
According to my stepfather laws in Japan towards animals are pretty much zilch
Exactly. No one here said we were against the Japanese or that no Japanese person cared for animals. I know that to not be true, since I have many Japanese people in my family. Denny, my dad, LOVES animals! I mean, gee, they have three cats, a fire bellied toad (which my brother has had for ten years!!! can you believe it?:eek: ), plus the tiels and budgie etc. He grew up with dogs and used to have two Golden Retrievers. He is an animal lover just like us Americans. :)Quote:
Originally posted by wolfsoul
I have a friend from Japan, and she says this as well. I don't think I said anything about the Japanese not liking animals --- I simply stated that they don't have strong laws when it comes to animals. I never said they weren't people either. It just bothers me that someone might think I'm suddenly racist just because I said Japan doesn't have good animal laws. I know a few laws in Canada that I'm not happy with, including some animal laws. It doesn't mean I think all Canadians hate animals.
Hehe, if I claimed I wasn't oversensitive or overemotional sometimes, it sure would be turning a blind eye to a big part of my personality. I'm so strongly affected by things, and I too have to stay away from certain kinds of movies even if it's obviously fiction, because it just affects me too much. I really get into a book when I'm reading it, and I really get into a movie too.
The worst type of movie for me, is the psychotic killer type movies. I get so disturbed by those that if I watch one I can be affected long after the fact, just in my dreams, and it invading my thoughts and the visuals stuck in my head. I just try to steer clear of those types of shows.
So I would most definitely nominate myself first for the oversensitive award :D
Just because of all the controversy going on here I borrowed my friend's copy of the movie and watched it tonight.
I hadn't seen it in many years, and I remember I loved that show as a child.
After watching it, many of the scenes did seem cruel to me. Both of the animals (especially Milo) seem scared to death almost the entire movie. I'm sure some of the things were fake, but most of them looked real and the animals looked miserable and possibly placed in danger.
It also promotes irresponsible breeding of animals.
However, I must agree it's really not worth getting all worked up about considering the movie was made such a long time ago; there's not much you can do now. ;)
Crikit thank you for explaining your post to me, I understand what you are saying.:)
It will be interesting what Cass has to say after seeing the un-edited version, and I agree with you Cass, just because the movie is old does not mean nothing can be done about it, if it is indeed too late for milo and Otis, then we can be more aware for future movies coming up, I for one will be taking much more notice from now on, other stories like 101 dalmations, stuart little all featured animals, maybe we should look at these as well, I have seen both, but cannot remember if there were any suspect scenes in either can you?
I thank Cass for bringing this to my attention, and will be much more aware of this type of thing from now on.:)
And that in MO can only be a good thing.
Carol, it seems like Spring break is forever from now. That's how long I have to wait to see the movie! Hopefully I can convince them to maybe send it to me or something. I am really curious to see it!
Oh well,but yes I will be interested to read your review in the future.:)