Ugh... WTF????

Ok...lets see how many people I can offend with this statement...not that I am intentionally trying to offend people..this is just my belief.

You know that parlor game where you whisper someting in someone's ear..and then they whisper it in the next persons and so on and so forth?? By the end of the circle the story only barely resembles what the first person whispered????

Well....you know how many times the Bible has been translated from version to version and in how many different languages...and how many times languages are extremely difficult to translate from one to the other???? Is anyone seeing where I am going here???:rolleyes:

I mean....really....how different is the Bible today compared to what was written how many thousands of years ago? And that isn't even taken into consideration that it was the interpretation of several men to start with!!! It may never have been fully correct with what God wanted in the first place. And that is also if you actually believe that GOD with all that he/she/it has to do in creating and running this world and who knows how many others felt like he/she/it had the time to whisper these thoughts of his to someone in the first place.

So can we totally leave the Bible out of the discussion and just use our own common sense on issues such as these? That would bring us back to "What does it hurt anyone if two people of the same sex choose to make a legal committment to one another? Doesn't affect me at all.

By the way....just for levity sake...I love the show Joan of Arcadia

Denyce

I'm lusting a for a new digital camera, i'm a sinner now!


I don't understand how someone's beliefs (or the ten commandments) should apply to everyone. Explain that for me, please, Kevin.

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RICHARD, first off, when did I say they apply to everyone? I personally think they do, but I know you don't.

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Now that you do admit to saying that you believe that they apply to everyone........


You are correct, I do not apply them in my life because I am probably going to hang with the demons after it's all over for me on this planet....

And yes, "I have commited adultery in my heart..."

So why the interest in what adults, with an affinity toward each other, have such a profound impact on the way that you live your life???

go for a bike ride in your neighborhood and see how what goes on inside of those homes impacts your life.

I don't think Jesus would want to bother you with the details.

;)

Kayann, I am sorry, but you will not be allowed to marry your digital camera under the new consititutional amendment. However, Luckies4me, it is perfectly acceptable for you to marry the Tom from Blink 182.

LOL! :p

I'll tell you what I'm lusting for, a red Volkswagon, or black, 5 speed new model! Doesn't have to be brand new. Oh I am lusting for that little car so bad.

I believe in the bible, but I am not living right as they say. And who am I to judge anybody? That is for God to do! Thats is in the bible. Couldn't tell you where, but I don't want to judge. God is the Judge. It is like 2kitties said, there are much worse things going on in this world, like child abuse, sexual abuse to children. Those are the people I spit at! Murder, when you take somebody's life then you have took their chance away to be able to atone for their sins.

We all sin. I am not perfect, I am smart enough to know that I am way, way, far from perfect.

I am not going to judge anybody for what they believe, or their way of life.

Of course I lust! Everyone does, and if someone says they aren't, their obviously lying. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY is perfect. We are all so imperfect it's scary.
Like I stated above, lusting is more used in the Bible for sexual things.

When do I say that this applys to everyone? Please show me when I did! I said I believe that they do, but you don't.

About the "telephone game" theory. Jewish copyists of Hebrew scriptures had incredibly strict rules and regulations to follow when copying the Bible onto a new sheet/book.

They had the have each copy written in 30 letters width, with a certain number of lines to each column.

Each copy had to be written in a certain quality and color of ink.

Each copy had to be made from the original.

Not even the tiniest letter could be written from memory. Say they were writing the word "to." They had to look at the "t" and write it, then look back at the "o" and write it.

No letter could connect with or overlap another letter. The distance between each letter was measured by a single hair or thread.

Every letter of every page and book was counted and compared against the original. The number of times each letter of the alphabet occured in a book was counted and compared against the original. The middle letter of the first five books (called the Pentateuch) and middle letter of the entire Bible was computed and indicated in the text. If even ONE of these calculations were off, the copy was thrown away.

If just one of these things were wrong or off, the copy was thrown away. This has been proven in secular History as well.

And for judging, I totally agree that only God should judge! It says in the Bible that no one should judge, only God. It is not my place at all.

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When do I say that this applys to everyone? Please show me when I did! I said I believe that they do, but you don't.

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RICHARD, first off, when did I say they apply to everyone? I personally think they do, but I know you don't.

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I know you are, but what am I???

In the bible it says that Jesus loves everyone and
yadda yadda yadda.......But then it comes across saying that people are sinners for ___________.

Isn't catholocism based on forgiving, love and accepting people no matter what or who they are?

That's where the messages get crossed......It does not make sense to preach all this goodness and forgiveness-then turn around and cast stones at the sinners......If that's the case why not just toss the stones up into the air and ask Jesus not to crack your skull becuase you are not a sinner.... Wouldn't that be a test of faith???

Federov shoots, Jesus Saves!!!!

2kitties, have I ever told you that I loved you? ;) :D

*giggles*

I think we all love 2kitties! And I think we can all agree on that!

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ya'll are sweet. and if the constitution allows it, i'll marry you all! and if it doesn't then we'll have to settle for lust and unclean thoughts.

All I have to say is that we all have sinned. As long as it isn't hurting or affecting others negativly, who cares?!

LMAO! I am lusting after so many things.......OH, the Cadillac Escalade pickup with the spinning rims, of course. And, a great digital camera. Hey Kay, when you get your new one, can I have your old one? And I want another dog but I'm not lusting over a dog. Guess that's really good :) And, if I could turn back time, I'd really LOVE David Lee Roth from early 80's.

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Originally posted by luckies4me
My stepbrother lives in Australia with the aboregenees (sp?) and all the men there are gay. The only reason they have intercourse with women is to reproduce.

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This is getting off the topic of gay marriage, but do you have anything to back this up? Location, community, which Aboriginal tribe etc?

On the topic, I used to share a house with a lesbian and she'd ask me how I knew I was straight. I don't know, I just knew. I asked her how she knew she was gay. She said she didn't know, that's just how it was.

Love is love, and sometimes it just doesn't fit George Dubbya's narrow vision.

We all “sin”. If you believe in Jesus, then you believe that he died for your sins; to absolve you for them. If you don’t then you probably aren’t too worried about your “sins”. LOL

True, we are supposed to try not to be sinners, but that’s not possible because God created us to be less than perfect, ie: sinners. He sent Jesus to wipe the slate clean for our sins, and the only price for that is that we ask Him to do so.

Believe it or don’t. That’s the beauty of America. FREEDOM! Freedom to choose a religion, or to choose not to have one. Freedom to choose a spouse. Freedom to have this coversation.

This is all getting too funny! I've had several laugh-out-loud moments as I scrolled down.

Since it seems that somebody brought this up, here are the ten commandments:

I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain

Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day.

Honor thy Father and thy Mother

Thou shalt not kill.

Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Thou shalt not steal.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods.

One I have not broken was Thou shalt not kill... so hopefully spiders and goldfish don't count. Oh, and that squirrel I once ran over with my car. Oops.

I totally never physically performed adultery. Oh, but there are some famous guys I dream of at night;)

I certainly haven't coveted thy neightbor's wife.. She's nice and all, but not my type.

Keep 'em coming guys - you're making my day!

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One I have not broken was Thou shalt not kill... so hopefully spiders and goldfish don't count. Oh, and that squirrel I once ran over with my car. Oops.

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Well, I did squirrel on my motorcycle, not intentionally, of course.....but if that does count, I've gone 10 for 10!!!

A perfect score for the California Connection...
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I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints......

Billy Joel

Since this is obviously going nowhere, I agree to disagree.

And I'm not Catholic.

K, I gotta go look for my billygoats now and return to my bridge! :) ;)

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I'll tell you what I'm lusting for, a red Volkswagon, or black, 5 speed new model! Doesn't have to be brand new. Oh I am lusting for that little car so bad.

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I lusted for one, too. But instead of simply thinking impure and lustful thoughts about Beetles ... I actually acted on the lust and bought one. So ... that makes a VW sinner, eh? "Thou shall not covet they neighbor's Volksawagen or his Escalade ... thou shall get off your lazy butt, get a job and buy your own." ;)

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About the "telephone game" theory. Jewish copyists of Hebrew scriptures had incredibly strict rules and regulations to follow when copying the Bible onto a new sheet/book.

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That is laughable. Anyone who collects old books, or Bibles specifically, will tell you there are literally hundreds of mistakes and misprints over the ages.

One example I can think of offhand .... I can't remember the exact quote, but it says something like, "A rich man will sooner get into heaven than a camel can pass through the eye of a needle." So, all these thousands of years, the Bible has told us there is NO chance of a rich man getting into heaven, as there is no way a camel will EVER fit through the eye of a needle.

BUT ... older text was found, before umpteen translations and recopies, and the original word for "camel" is very similar to the original word for a thick, coarse type of thread. And THAT is what was originally written .... "A rich man will sooner get into heaven than a thick, coarse thread can pass through the eye of a needle." Someone mistranslated the word, camel instead of thread. So ... not impossible to get into heaven, just very difficult. BIG difference, especially if you happen to be rich, eh? There are literally hundreds of such instances, with who knows how many that will never be discovered.

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This is getting off the topic of gay marriage, but do you have anything to back this up? Location, community, which Aboriginal tribe etc?

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My stepbrother Randy has lived with them for about 20 years or so. All the men in that tribe, although I don't know which one it is, are gay. They have orgy's all the time, and all the pieces they make are mostly depicting guys having sex with each other. He stated to me, and I have also seen through pictures that all the men are gay, and the only reason whatsoever to have sex with a women is to produce offspring.

I can ask my father for more info. I didn't know there were more than one tribe, but I can assure you they were all homosexual. I don't think it's something my stepbrother would lie about. I wilk ask my father tonight about it, and he might have some pictures too of the tribe people and stuff. Would pictures tell you who they are possibly? I'm not too familiar with these people and Australia.

Here's what my dad said


Blink Babe says:
dad you there?
Blink Babe says:
I want to ask you a question about Patricia's son Randy
Blink Babe says:
about the Aboriginies or whatever he lived with
J Barlow says:
Iam here,working on my legs. What's up ?
Blink Babe says:
do you know what tribe Randy lives with? the name of them, and weren't they men in that tribe gay?
J Barlow says:
They are gay and I think they are called Asmat tribe. The eat men or they used to.
Blink Babe says:
they eat people?
Blink Babe says:
geez
Blink Babe says:
and they were Aboriginees right?
Blink Babe says:
and Randy is gay too right?
Blink Babe says:
is that why they didn't eat him? LOL
J Barlow says:
They used to be head hunters. They killed and ate Rockefellers son. The live on PapaNuGini
Blink Babe says:
oh
Blink Babe says:
in Australia right?
J Barlow says:
Randy is gay his name over there is Tod, because Randy means horny there.
Blink Babe says:
do you have any pics of the stuff Randi brought back, like the masks and stuff? ............I know I remember that. LOL
Blink Babe says:
ok, but I just want to clarify that the men in that tribe were gay correct?
J Barlow says:
As a two dollor bill. lol
Blink Babe says:
huh? I didn't catch that
Blink Babe says:
lol
Blink Babe says:
is that a yes?
J Barlow says:
Yes they are.
Blink Babe says:
oh nevermind! I get it
Blink Babe says:
LOL
Blink Babe says:
DURRR

Hope that answers your question. The conversation was a little funny. :o :p

Cass, so he's in Papua New Guinea, looking at your dad's notes? That's the bunch of islands just north of Australia. I'll try to find some info as the gay tribes and cannibalism sound truer to Papua New Guinea. It's one of the more dangerous places on Earth :)

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Cass, so he's in Papua New Guinea, looking at your dad's notes? That's the bunch of islands just north of Australia. I'll try to find some info as the gay tribes and cannibalism sound truer to Papua New Guinea. It's one of the more dangerous places on Earth :)

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Like I said, I know nothing about over yonder LOL. Would they still be considered Aboriginies, or are they called something else? When you say dangerous, how so? I am very interested in what they do now, especially since my stepbrother lives with these people!!! I gave my dad this link so perhaps he will pop in and join the conversation. :)

BTW, who is Rockefeller? Sorry if I sound dense. :o

I looked up the Asmat tribe and found information about them being cannibals as well as them eating Rockefeller's son.. but nothing about them being gay.

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BTW, who is Rockefeller? Sorry if I sound dense. :o

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No, it's a oyster dish......Kidding.....

The Rockefellers were a very affluent family that live/lived on the eastern seaboard..

Wow, luckies! You have an interesting family. lol.

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It seems that we all have an opinion about this matter, right or wrong, and the President obviously feels strongly too.

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George W. feels the heat of political pressure from the far
right Christian Conservative coalition of voters who helped
put him into office. This is a re-action not an original thought
on Bush's part. IMO.

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This is a re-action not an original thought
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*snort* An original what? LOL

Luckies, that was so funny! Very entertaining. Boy has this gotten way off topic, thank goodenss.

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I looked up the Asmat tribe and found information about them being cannibals as well as them eating Rockefeller's son.. but nothing about them being gay.

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Here's a link that Miss Meow gave me.

Trust me, their homosexual. ;)

http://www.popmatters.com/film/revie...our-right.html

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Wow, luckies! You have an interesting family. lol.

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Sometimes a little too interesting, LOL. :p

I am gonna see if my dad can scan some pictures of the carvings and things we have that Randy brought to us. They were SO cool! One, was kinda like a shrunken body lady who had this wooden basket or something, and my dad always used to say that if we opened what was inside we would be cursed. :eek:

That movie sounds very interesting. You couldn't pay me billions to get anywhere near places like that! Scary just reading about it.

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That movie sounds very interesting. You couldn't pay me billions to get anywhere near places like that! Scary just reading about it.

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Scarier when your step brother lives there!

Cass, wow I didn't realize you had such an interesting life. Maybe you should write a book. I would read it!!;)

Ok...this post is actually from my husband whom is sitting next to me quoting....so here goes. In regards to the Bible...

"As far as copying word for word mistakes are always made no matter how close you follow...

And the Bible wasn't originally written in Hebrew so mistakes may have been made in the ORIGINAL translation even if they were not made in your example of precise copying.

Sometimes "mistakes" are not only made but encouraged or overlooked if it fits a particular need at a particular time."

My husband is not only Jewish but has spent many many years studying ancient religons and has an extensive Bible collection. And guess what....they all don't match! *LOL*

Out of curiosity, Cass...What brought your stepbrother to start hanging out with a crowd of gay cannibals? Did he just wake up one day and say "Family, I'm moving to Australia to live with some gay cannibal friends." hehe. :D

Thats what I would like to know, how did he find them? And how did he keep from being the main dinner course?LOL. Like I said, you should write a book, Cass!

Make money on these questions. This is a very interesting subject, really.

Willie:)

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*snort* An original what? LOL

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An original thought.... :D :D

As in to think, to reason, or ponder.:p