How could your dad turn down Nala!!:eek: :p
I think the limit for me would be 6. Most from the shelter.
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How could your dad turn down Nala!!:eek: :p
I think the limit for me would be 6. Most from the shelter.
When I move out, have my own place, and am financially stable my limit will probably be 4 dogs. Goldens being a *few* of them. :D
so if a dog was a complete couch potato, you wouldn't want it?
we've only had two dogs at one time, but when i move out....i'll have lots and lots of doggies.
But there IS a limit on time, for all of us. You may have all the money and space you could ever dream of - but there are still 24 hours in a day for rich people with huge houses, just like there are for lower income people in apartments. There is no possible way to give the proper amount of time to an unlimited number of dogs. Believe me, I know. I could afford more dogs than I have now, and I have enough room for more dogs. But I will never get any more dogs, because there are not enough hours in the days to give more dogs the attention, time and training they need.Quote:
And I beleive that "No limit" does not mean "hoarder or collector". No limit means having the space, time, money, and love to care for the amount you are able. I don't believe that 10 dogs in an apartment is right but 10 dogs on a farm........
It doesn't have anything to do with liking you or not liking you. We've never met you, we don't know you. It has to do with voicing our opinions about things that you post. You seem to be quite able to express yourself in no uncertain terms when you post. It is only after you realize that what you posted seems to be unpopular, that you start backpedalling. I agree with Kfamr:Quote:
I dont have a way with words, either that or there are a lot of people here, who dont like me and choose to interpret my posts to make me sound like a bad person, well I sure hope thats not the case anyway..
You were very clear indeed. I believe you said exactly what you meant, and only decided to temper your sentiments after you saw our reaction to your post.Quote:
I still believe that's how you meant it, because it says it clearly there in your words.
I'm not sure why choosing a dog to fit your lifestyle is such
a bad thing. None of us would suggest to a sedentary
person to go out and get a Border Collie, would we? So why
shouldn't an active person, who wants a jogging partner
or agility partner or hunting partner, etc., chose a dog that's
going to meet their needs too?
One of the reasons I chose a Collie was with the thought
that I'd be able to do some kind of dog sport with them.
I'd become too much of a hermit and wanted a dog that
could help me be more social. Murph and Maddie and I had
gotten way too comfortable just veggin' in front of the TV every
night. Oz has forced all 3 of us to be more active (well Maddie
less than Murph and I, but he's put some spark back into her
as well). Getting to go to agility and having fun with him
and meeting new people has just been wonderful. And just
because I got him with doing a sport in my mind, doesn't mean
I love him any less than Murph and Maddie. You couldn't pry
him away from me with a crow bar. ;)
As to the question of limits, mine's 3. It's quite a juggling act
to make sure all 3 dogs get the same amount of attention, so
that all 3 feel special. Don't think there's enough of me to go
around to keep that even keel, if I added another.
Par...
guess what? your wrong. when I start "backpeddling" as you say its because I did not realize you guys would react that way, I look over my posts but I start explaining because you guys interpret my posts wronge I am NOT good with words I dont realize what it sounds like to an outside person that does not know me, it is not until you guys reply that I realize how my post sounds. but hey if you choose to believe that I am an animal abuser and keep my dogs underweight and they dont enjoy what they are doing that that is your own damn problem, you an believe all the lies you want, because its not going to change the truth.
No one accused you of being an animal abused, keeping your dogs underweight or making them do something they don't enjoy.
sorry but that is exactly what was said
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But to keep a dog underweight to improve it's performance....well I don't know what I would call that.
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Let's see ... how about "cruelty"? "Obsession"? "Lack of empathy for an innocent animal?" "Heartlessness?"
Twister you have changed your mind about Cali? In another post you spoke for her, much as I did in this one, and explained to everyone what you interpreted her to be trying to say.
I personally don’t feel she’s back pedaling. I’d like to think she’s taking my advice about reading her posts prior to posting them. Her last couple of posts were much clearer than her previous ones and made much more sense to me when I read it.
Can we please all stop attacking her and just play nicely? This isn’t the doghouse.
I would not get a dog that was a complete couch potato in the first place. why on earth would I knowingly get a dog that I know full well would get left behind a lot(traveling to tournys and trials)?Quote:
so if a dog was a complete couch potato, you wouldn't want it?
That's what I was saying.
So your answer would be no, you wouldn't want a dog that just wanted to lay around and well, be a dog.
What happens when your 'athletes' no long want to compete in their older ages, and want to be complete couch potatoes?
KayAnn, you know I love you lots, but I think you need to give this subject a rest, hon. Meant with all of the best intentions.
Logan
Sorry, the post made me completely sick to my stomach when I first read it. I was disgusted ... but yeah .. there's tons of pages on it already..
when they retire they become pets like shadow, where they can just relax and take it easy, IF THEY WANT TO, keep in mind the breed of my dogs, they are not by any means the types that would decide to layz about. they would still get to go to flyball for fun and fun matchs and demos. all the dogs I know that retired from the sports hate being left behind, even they they are slow and tire easy they want to play, and they get to.
edit:knowing you guys the last part will be interpreted wronge to I am just taking it out.
That's the way some of the our retired cop dogs are, too. Poor things can't understand why they still can't go to work with mommy or daddy. I've got an interesting point to make about the sport dogs. What about the Greyhounds after their racing days are over? Its really sad. They're treated really good while they're able to race, after that, it's the axe. But I see nothing wrong with having a dog that likes to do the sports. I've watched the flyball on tv and the dogs seem to love it! I would love to have a dog that did that. Or, one of the Labs that dives in those long pools for the water toy. I think it gives them joy to do those things. Dogs are different, just like people.
I never said it was. Choosing a dog that DOESN'T fit your lifestyle is a bad thing. I'm not sure if you were referring to me or not, but I didn't say or mean that at all.Quote:
I'm not sure why choosing a dog to fit your lifestyle is such a bad thing.
I don't know Cali, I've never met her. I don't base any of my posts off whether I "like" or "dislike" someone. It wouldn't matter one bit to me who posted that, I would comment on it. I don't look at a post and say, "Oh, I don't like that person, so I'm going to say something bad." Please. I look at each individual post separately, and comment on it separately. I may agree with 9 out of 10 posts someone makes, but not the 10th. So? That is life, sometimes we agree and sometimes we disagree.Quote:
Twister you have changed your mind about Cali? In another post you spoke for her, much as I did in this one, and explained to everyone what you interpreted her to be trying to say.
I think that is a valid question.Quote:
What happens when your 'athletes' no long want to compete in their older ages, and want to be complete couch potatoes?
I never said they didn't enjoy what they are doing. They probably do. And YOU said they were underweight. You said, and I quote, "kept on a racing weight (if they were pets they would not be fat just a more normal weight)." So, you said yourself, that if they were just pets, they would be a "normal" weight, but since they are "athletes", they are kept on "racing weight." So ... if "racing weight" is less than "normal" weight, they are therefore underweight. Less than normal weight is underweight. You said it. Sorry if that's "not what you meant", but it IS what you said.Quote:
but hey if you choose to believe that I am an animal abuser and keep my dogs underweight and they dont enjoy what they are doing that that is your own damn problem
And the weight was just one part of the reason your post rubbed me the wrong way. Dogs should be pets first, loved unconditionally, and whatever-else secondly. Just like kids. And if you have no limit to the number of dogs you will "buy, receive or adopt" just because they are good "athletes", then I think that is wrong and selfish. Again, Sorry if that's "not what you meant", but it IS what you said. That's my opinion, and it will continue to be my opinion.
Actually, they are treated very badly while they are racing, as well. :(Quote:
They're treated really good while they're able to race, after that, it's the axe.
and again I explained what I meant by normal and racing weight. normal being the weight I see most pets at, which is a little bit OVER weight, not fat just a little bit pudgy because there diet and exersize is not as strict, because they are athletes that need to be kept on a perfect weight, and kept in top condition. normal being a pet only weight, more relaxed.
one that I answered. even if by some way they did turn into couch potatos(keep in mind the breeds I have) they would get to relax and be a couch potato, however that does not mean they would not still want to play the sports I KNOW they still want to play the sorts at an old age because I know a LOT of dogs that retired from the sports, they hate to be left behind, they are old and tire easy but they still want to play. that is what fun matches and flyball for fun and demos are for. the old and the new, we also have special teams just for the older dogs that want to play, they go to turnys for recreation not to win, but because they love it, out club contains a 13 year old sheltie, a 10 year old belgen a da 9 year old border collie, they dont get to race often but they do get to race, just as a spare, because they enjoy it. they are retired by the way, but get to come when they feel up to it as a spareQuote:
What happens when your 'athletes' no long want to compete in their older ages, and want to be complete couch potatoes?
I think that is a valid question.
twisterdog writes:
Hi twister!Quote:
I never said it was. Choosing a dog that DOESN'T fit your lifestyle is a bad thing. I'm not sure if you were referring to me or not, but I didn't say or mean that at all
My post wasn't directed at you. It was just a general thought
I had based on kfamr's comment about not wanting a couch
potato dog. I think some dogs need a so called "job" to do
to be truly happy and agility's great for them. I've also, through
my agility classes, seen some people that are in it for the wrong
reasons or don't have the right attitude about it. I've seen some
awfully bad human behavior from some people who's number one
priority wasn't for them and their dog to have fun. I've had to
bite my tongue several times. The guy that hurled his border
collie over a jump by his collar out of frustration comes to mind.
Thankfully the instructor didn't let the behavior slide and took
care of it.
Par...
hurled the dog over the jump? oh gosh that mean, the first and formost thing with my dogs and sports is that they have fun, its not fun for me if its not fun for them, it makes me happy to see the exitment and happiness in ther faces when they play the game.:p
Well, here’s another fun thread ruined! I swear this crap is getting really old. I’m so sick and tired of fun threads being killed be people who just feel the need to be a bitch to someone. STOP IT PEOPLE.
Why not make this a fun place to hang out? Does it just not make you people happy until you’ve ruined a thread for everybody? :mad:
I keep coming back to read people responses to THE THREAD QUESTION and I find all this crap.
Just friggin’ quit it.
my limit is two (and i have 2 cats). duke and alex the wonder dog are and were absolutely the best dogs ever. i found, as a single working full time human dog mom, i could only do right by 2. both dogs were/are high maintence, both had medical conditions the required daily meds, near monthly vet visits, and in alexs' case, i can expect one to two vet er bills a year. i have a good job, but i do know that there were times when money was tight, and the animals came first (good thing i love thrift stores and drive a used car.) when i hit the lottery however, things will change.....;)
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Originally posted by micki76
Well, here’s another fun thread ruined! I swear this crap is getting really old. I’m so sick and tired of fun threads being killed be people who just feel the need to be a bitch to someone. STOP IT PEOPLE.
Why not make this a fun place to hang out? Does it just not make you people happy until you’ve ruined a thread for everybody? :mad:
I keep coming back to read people responses to THE THREAD QUESTION and I find all this crap.
Just friggin’ quit it.
You posted seven times in this thread, micki76, and none of them were "responses to THE THREAD QUESTION", as you put it. If you go back and re-read the entire thread you will see that you, also, hurt some people's feelings and added to the argument. So, you now posting the above is a bit of "the pot calling the kettle black", IMO.
And, yes, I definately helped to lead this thread off topic. Sorry. However, I don't believe in sticking your head in the sand and saying nothing when you read something disturbing. Cali's post was disturbing to me, and to many others. We questioned it. Sorry, but every single thing in life can't be "fun". Sometimes, hard questions need to be asked and hard subjects addressed. It's called responsibility.
I admit, I was more than a little sarcastic in a couple of my posts, and I apologize for that. It was immature. But, I still think the issue needed to be addressed. Just because we disagree or question each other doesn't mean we "don't like" each other. Sheesh. That is such an immature, middle-school attitude. Not everyone agrees, and NO one agrees 100% of the time. It's not the end of the world. It's real life. My gosh.
Actually, I did respond to the thread question, but I also posted a lot of times about the same junk in the thread. It's just very annoying to me that people are ruining great, fun threads with the same old stuff (not that it's not important stuff). I wish people would make a new thread when they have an extreme issue, or heaven forbid use a PM. :) I'll try to start doing that myself. I know how it is when you’re passionate about something, but we all need to start using a little tiny restraint (myself definitely included) and use the pm system that’s available to us all.
I shouldn’t have commented so much, that’s true, but I just wanted to get people to stop posting with the OT stuff and I only helped to take it OT.
My apologies to all involved. I tried to stay positive, but I got irritated, which is something I wish wouldn’t happen here so much. :(
Could someone please post about the topic now?
My limit right now is still Two.... :p
He he he. You crack me up! :D Mine's still 3. Darn it! I still want this Westie mix!! She's so cute and her name is Kathy. :D Isn't she cute?Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
My limit right now is still Two.... :p
http://www.petfinder.com/fotos/TX309...41371-2-pn.jpg
http://www.petfinder.com/fotos/TX309...41371-1-pn.jpg
AWWW! Yes! I love the second photo.
I want Lady, the pittie mix.. She's been at our shelter for the longest time. She was hit by a car when she came in. She's the biggest sweetie eve, the only thing is she doesnt get along with other dogs, or so they say. Who knows though, it's always different with different dogs.
http://www.petfinder.com/fotos/FL185.2201502.jpg
(Lady on Petfinder)
Either that, or I want Buddy, the neighbor pittie.
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My limit right now is still Two....
:p
My limit is still ten. *sigh*
DON'T even look at doggies if you're at your limit. I have removed PetFinder from my favorites list!Quote:
Mine's still 3. Darn it! I still want this Westie mix!!
And man, mine is still two! :p
I have my heart set on THIS pretty girl...
Anyone wanna get her for me? :D
She's so pretty!!Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
AWWW! Yes! I love the second photo.
I want Lady, the pittie mix.. She's been at our shelter for the longest time. She was hit by a car when she came in. She's the biggest sweetie eve, the only thing is she doesnt get along with other dogs, or so they say. Who knows though, it's always different with different dogs.
http://www.petfinder.com/fotos/FL185.2201502.jpg
(Lady on Petfinder)
Either that, or I want Buddy, the neighbor pittie.
Yeah, they are different sometimes with different dogs. Chester's great with Millie and Aneko, but not all dogs.
PetFinder is very, very, very EVIL. :p
Yeah, she is. She's such a sweeeeeet dog too. I don't know why she's still there, but maybe because she's Pittie and either people don't want her because of that, or they don't want to give her to just anyone because of that.Quote:
Originally posted by micki76
She's so pretty!!
Yeah, they are different sometimes with different dogs. Chester's great with Millie and Aneko, but not all dogs.
That's how Simba is.. He's great with some dogs, but others he just can't stand.
LOL c'mon, you know you want 11!Quote:
Originally posted by Twisterdog
:p
My limit is still ten. *sigh*
DON'T even look at doggies if you're at your limit. I have removed PetFinder from my favorites list!
Oh, I WANT 73. Can't have, though. :(Quote:
LOL c'mon, you know you want 11!