Ok, I just want to say that I'm glad that the puppy and Cricket are ok, but you really need to stop breeding her and get her spayed. It's best for her.
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Ok, I just want to say that I'm glad that the puppy and Cricket are ok, but you really need to stop breeding her and get her spayed. It's best for her.
NO responsible breeder would ever breed their dogs every heat cycle, since their first heat cycle. And no breeder breeds for money, if you were responsibly breeding there is no way you could make money. You are just contributing to the millions of animals abadoned each day.
Both of my dogs are the result of people like you.
We got Pepper through Doberman rescue, his owners could no longer handle him. He had been to 2 previous homes, being returned each time. Since his breeder obviosly did not take the dog back, odds are he was from a byb. And he has the albine/white gene(he came with papers and you can tell if they have the white gene b/c they will have a "Z' in their registraion number) no responsible breeder would breed a dog with the white gene(one of his parents also had the white gene) as they can have a multitude of health problems
Honey came from a Pet shop. (When we got her i didn't know about puppy mills, bybs etc:o) She probably came from a puppy mill where her parents are probably still there, being bred over and over until they die:mad: :( :mad:
Well said Tikeyas Mom. :) Imagine yourself being pregnant from the time you were a baby until now. Having trouble? Sure, humans are lucky they can decide for themselves! Your poor dog can't. Unfortunately, she has absolute idiots making the decision for her. Imagine yourself having a kid when you, yourself, were still a child! Not a pretty picture. Get the point?!Quote:
I dont think you understand S;aveto9dogs, Crickit, she is in her teend, she should have only JUST had her first litter if you were responsible breeder, you would know.
Normally I wouldn't be this rude about the whole thing, but even after hearing it from everyone else and reading all the GREAT information that everyone took the time to find and supply for you (for the well-being of Cricket and dogs all over the world) you still don't get what is so wrong with what you and your family are doing! That is no business. That's littering, and it's littering at its worst.
({My thoughts and prayers will remain with Cricket})
Ok, at first you said you weren't a breeder, and now you say you are a "responsible" breeder.. so what are you? We probably all know that you love your dog to death, but show her that you do, by getting her spayed. I am happy that your puppy is healthy, but if you want crikit to stay healthy, you should really get her spayed. I want to see some pics, but I am still mad because of your actions. 6 litters for a 3 1/2 year old dog is too much. That's all I'm saying for now.
I haven't heard one resposible thing yet! :( You say that we are wrong, that we don't know what we are talking about. If the majority of us is telling you that what is happening is wrong, than chances are, it is. One person against everybody isn't good chances. I'm sorry that you have to hear such harsh words, but they are words of truth.Quote:
Originally posted by SlaveTo9Dogs
We are responsible breeders.
You say resposible. I hear: Breeding in the first heat cycle, usually about 6 months. That's a puppy. 6 months in human years is 10 and a half years old! Would you let your 10.5 year old child have children, because she "likes babies?" Now a good breeder would wait until 2 years, which in human years is 24. [Contrary to popular belief, a dog's year is not 7 times a human year. It is only an average that gets closer to 7 as the dog gets older].
Then, letting the dog have puppies twice a year. How would you like to have a baby every time you get a chance? (Which, when you have no choice, like a dog, would be alot).
Not taking the dog to the vet when complications arised. Maybe they didn't seem severe, but it could have gotten that way. Instead you take them to a friend's who "knows everything about breeding." If they know everything, and you don't, why are you the breeder and not them?
Not caring if your dog gets diseases from so many pups. Just like humans, there are illnesses that come from giving birth. In Cricket's case, it's much much worse considering her lack of rest (should be atleast a year of rest), her lack of being able to get fit and healthy and recover from the terrible pain of having puppies and laying around all day caring for them, her improper bone development from having pups too young, and so on and so on etc. I'm sure that if I looked it up, I could find hundreds of complications that Cricket can now suffer from.
That one hits me hardest is that you just don't care. You may love your dog, but you obviously have no concern for her health if this is what she has to go through constantly. You may love her, but if you love her than you should atleast respect her. Hell, if I had to give birth to so many babies I wouldn't just be respected for my tolerance, I'd be feared because I'd be one p*ssed off and sad person. If you look at all of the teens nowadays that get pregnant, you will find they have many behavioural problems before and even sometimes after giving birth. With young dogs, it's the same, only they get problems after the pups come. It's just so terrible that your parents have brought you up to believe that constantly letting a dog breed is okay. It's even more sad that you are now old enough to know better and yet choose not to care.
You sure know how to put it Jordan.;)
Now read that 10 times, and see if it sticks.:rolleyes:
I have nothing new to add...everyone else has said what needs to be said and still you can not see that you are doing anything wrong, so why bother.
I will tell you where my dogs came from...
Sadie is a lab/dalmation cross. Her mom was a purebred dalmation who as not spayed, and then when, she got pregant by the same owner's lab, he was going to shot her, beucase he didn't like the way she was acting...maybe if he had fixed at least one of his dogs, she wouldn't have been acting that way!!! Thank doG his neighbor took patches in and found good homes for all 11 of her pups.
Cincy was the 2nd littler of a lab mix. She was a farm dog, that they never bothered to spay, and who was "knocked" up by whatever dog came 'round. When we got Cincy, she had been taken away from mom at 5 weeks, she was living in a chicken coup, had ticks in her ear, and a bloated belly and diharrea. We went to see her with the intent to leave her with mom til 8 weeks, but relaized she may not live that long if we did!
Spot came from a kill shletr in Southern Ohio. He was litterally on the table, ready to be euth. The girls at the shleter couldn't do it, and so they gave her ONE more day to find him a home. If another member of PT hadn't gone out her way to make a bunch of phone calls, he would have died....
Say what you want to say it steel wont change anything. Ok get the pictue!!!:( Sorry;)
P.S. I dont realy care ware all your dogs came from. Ok. Yeah yeah yeah I know iresponsible BREEDERS! Just like us. Yeah we byb, OK you happy now!? HaHaHaaaa
If you don't like us here, don't like or agree with what we're saying, and think we're all mean and hateful and apparently "stupid", WHY DO YOU STILL COME HERE? :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by SlaveTo9Dogs
Say what you want to say it steel wont change anything. Ok get the pictue!!!:( Sorry;)
One final word: spellchecker!
Ok, we tried our hardest to change your mind for one reason. THE HEALTH OF YOUR DOG! We are not being rude or mean in any kind of way. If you don't change your mind, your dog could die.:( Do you actually care about her? Show her you care.:(
Ugh....isn't any of this sinking in?! You obviously don't care what your doing to Cricket, its just to make a quick buck. I hate it when people use animals for there own well being. If you got the picture, you would listen to us, and GET CRICKET SPAYED!! :(
:rolleyes: :( :rolleyes: :(
Okay. I guess this will never get through a thick head like that. TAKE YOUR DOG to the VET and get her SPAYED! and for Heaven's sake, STOP BREEDING!!
Godspeed Cricket. Too bad you will live an unhappy life and most likely die prematurely. I for one would rather be dead than give birth twice a year. I hope that someone reports your abuse and finds you a loving home that will spay you and take real care of you and actually love you, not just your ability to have puppies and give bittersweetness to the world.
So you don't care about our dogs or where they come from. You felt the need to tell us that why? Oh yes I know just to prove that you really are what all of us are saying that you are. An immature person who is making decisions that they shouldn't be making.Quote:
Originally posted by SlaveTo9Dogs
P.S. I dont realy care ware all your dogs came from. Ok. Yeah yeah yeah I know iresponsible BREEDERS! Just like us. Yeah we byb, OK you happy now!? HaHaHaaaa
We're all telling you were we got our dogs from to make you see and understand what people like you put dogs through, what dogs from puppy mills and backyard breeders and just plain irresponsible people have to deal with. But obviously our time and efforts to educate you are falling on deaf ears. That's your problem then, just don't come whinning to us when something happens to Cricket and you no longer have her. Sorry if that sounded a tad to harsh but I've had a really crappy day and seeing that just put me over the edge.
I also agree. This is abuse!:mad:
That is just wrong!:mad: :mad: :mad: LOOK AT IT THAT WAY!!!!!!!! 6 MONTHS?!? And you call yourself responsible?!? You are what? 14? YOU ARE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO BREED A DOG, AND AS YOU SAY BE RESPOSIBLE LET ALONE, KNOW ANYTHING ABOUE BREEDING! You should really do what is RIGHT for your dog. Poor crikit.Quote:
You say resposible. I hear: Breeding in the first heat cycle, usually about 6 months. That's a puppy. 6 months in human years is 10 and a half years old!
I WILL SAY THIS ONCE MORE:
SHOW HER THAT YOU LOVE HER AND GET HER SPAYED!
Now, I got that out of my system. **breathe** This is making me mad.
THREE AND A HALF - 6 LITTERS?!?! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING TO THE POOR THING?!?! GET HER FIXED!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
LET THE DOG BE DOG, not a freakin puppy popper for your enjoyment and money!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Agreed. Don't come crying to us, when something happens to poor Cricket....gosh, people like you just disgust me. Ugh. :mad: You don't have the privelige to have animals, esspecially dogs! :mad: Cruel, Cruel, Cruel...:( I doubt you will come to your sences, but I can only hope....Maybe Cricket is better off not being here, with you! :mad: How would you like to get pregnant every 6 months? Ugh. Sick. Disgusting. :mad:Quote:
Originally posted by Crikit
We're all telling you were we got our dogs from to make you see and understand what people like you put dogs through, what dogs from puppy mills and backyard breeders and just plain irresponsible people have to deal with. But obviously our time and efforts to educate you are falling on deaf ears. That's your problem then, just don't come whinning to us when something happens to Cricket and you no longer have her. Sorry if that sounded a tad to harsh but I've had a really crappy day and seeing that just put me over the edge.
Please, show her you care and love her and get the poor thing fixed! :(:mad:
I hope you get help and realize what you are doing is wrong, I will pray for you and your dog because you must have serious issues if you think that what you do is responsible. You do not deserve to own any animal if this is the way you treat them!! I WISH SOMEONE COULD KNOCK SOME SENSE INTO YOUR THICKER THAN CONCRETE SKULL!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: If only you could walk a day in Cricket's shoes I'm sure you would hate yourself! :mad: :mad: :mad:
I just now read this thread. I CANNOT BELIEVE IT! This is insane! :eek::(:mad: 6 litters in 3 years? Wow! :eek: That's horrible. I'm speachless. :( 2 words....................POOR DOG! :(:( You're only 14? Kids your age don't even know much about breeding to start with. :rolleyes: Nope, but you're a *responsible* breeder. Suuuure. :rolleyes:
I really don't have much to add as others have said it so well.......
6 litters in 3 1/2 years.......that is just so sad.......:(
I'd just like you to imagine being pregnant and giving birth for almost your entire life, and then say the dog "enjoys it."
How in the world could the dog "enjoy it"?!?! She hasn't even been able to be a puppy! That's like taking a three year old child and making her pregnant for he whole life.
She only "enjoys" it because she hasn't had the oppertunity to enjoy something else.
Oh yes, and your breeder friend doesn't sound very responsible by allowing an irresponsible breeder like yourself continue on.
She "enjoys it" because she can make a quck buck. :(
I think what bothers me now is that she is being so disrespectful. *sigh*
BTW
STEEL is what cars are made out of
STILL is the word you are trying to use
I am going to say something that is totally inappropiate, I apologize ahead of time.
Slaveof9dogs----> The only way you are going to understand this is if you get pregnant NOW, when you are 15 and when you are 16. With triplets each time. And what your family is doing, I daresay you deserve it. But the kids wouldn't.
Hey could youQuote:
make shure that our KIDS go to hames that will love and care for them!
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Originally posted by SlaveTo9Dogs
We are responsible breeders.
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Well, since you are responsible breeders and claim to love your dogs and what to better the breed, would you mind posting your website? 99.9% of responsible breeders who actually love their dogs and actually want to help the breed out have websites with their kennel history, breeding information, adoption processes, prices, pictures of the breeding males and females, available puppies, and awards page. Some even have pictures of the kennel itself for possible customers to view. Wesbites like this one: Wildrose Kennels: English Labradors and this one: Witamy Great Danes
What's that, ya say you don't have a website for your breeding facility? DUH! I forgot backyard breeders don't have one. DARHEE, silly me! :rolleyes:
Also, I have to comment on this, it's hard for me not too...14 years old....with typing/writing like yours....my Mom would have me in school 12 months a year 7 days a week....talk about embarrassing! I mean everyone makes type-o's here and there, I do it all the time.
Poor pup, may she rest in Peace when her time comes....which will be soon. :( One thing’s for sure, you won't be joining Cricket when she dies.
I think what all of us (including me) are forgetting is this is a 14 year old child and by the spelling etc. I am thinking maybe even younger. This is not just an irresponsible breeder but involves irresponsible parents.
Where are her parents and if they are raising her to believe that a dog is nothing more than a puppy mill, what kind of parents are they? Sad, very sad.
For a child, a dog should be a lesson in love and understanding that all God's creature should be respected and loved but these parents ...... well, there is no reason to say it, we all know what I am thinking.
k so your just gonna sit and watch your dog die? oh how nice of you!! verrrryyyy responisble!! and i dont even belive u think you have the right to come on here and be satcastic about such a thing and then laugh.. Im gonna ask a question here.. how many of us really want this person on the board still? i dont.. how many people want this person to stay so when her dog is in bad shape we can say i told u so and feel bad for the dog? i do.. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: immature little kids..:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
sorry if im spelling wrong i only have one hand cause cami is on the other one.. :D
well said everyone,
this is a very sad situation:( and i have nothing more to add at this moment *sighs* so frustrating.
my prayers are with you little crikit and all the other animals/breeding machines in the household
I have hesitated to comment on this thread but here goes. I guess how we care for our dogs shows how much we love them. I just don't understand how making your dog carry litter after litter is showing that you care for her. She has had no puppyhood herself but has been pumping out puppies since she was a puppy herself! Spaying her would be the most loving thing that you could do for her. Being pregnant is no day at the beach. Maybe when you are older you will understand. At least I hope the comments here will help you to re-think what your parents are doing.
6 litters in 3 years!? :mad: What the hell is wrong with you?
Okay it's ovbious you won't change your mind. Your parents have 'this business' as responsible engraved in your mind. I only wish you could stop while your ahead. Poor Cicket, I'm sure she would love you JUST AS MUCH (so don't worry) AND EVEN MORE if you were to get her spayed. You don't like the facts, FINE. So do it for Cricket. Live and learn.
And did you *actually* think you could come here, to a dog messageboard, where puppymills, BYB and irresponsible owners are obviously looked down upon and post this news without expecting some sort of reaction from us?
Where did Mickey come from?
It's a lot like this place. They have their own room, with heating, couches, everything. When the mother has puppies, she keeps them in a sectioned off area and the mother goes in when the pups are hungry or to spend time with eachother. She asked about where her pups go. She has asked us if we have a fenced in yard, if he would be alone most of the day ect. Mickey's mother is only breeding again next year (it would be 2 years) and after that will retire as she would be too old. That is a RESPONSIBLE breeder. You my friend, from what you have told us, are not.Quote:
You want to know how my dog got here??? He came from a RESPONSIBLE breeder. He cares for every dog as if it was his own child. He even has a custom made heated house which would even be suitable for humans. He doesn't breed at every heat. His dogs don't live their life pregnant. His dogs get the loving and care each of them deserve.
Whew!!!!! I just read this whole thing. I am appalled. I have three female dogs and every single one of them was spayed before they ever had their first heat!! Would I have loved to have puppies? You had better believe it!!!! Was I able to assume the responsibility? No way!!!!
I wish the best for Cricket. Bless her sweet heart, she needs a lot of prayer. :(
Logan
From this young lady's (I use the term loosely) website.
"Hello, my name is Kristy or you can call me Kiki! I live in HOT Arizona! With my family: Dad and Mom of course, and 2 sisters and 1 little brother. I am 14 and in 8th grade. Pet: well we have 11 pets, belive it or not, 5 poodles, 2 yorkies, 1 cocker, 1 labmix, 1 bird and a frog! The frog is mine, his name is Hero! I love frogs they are just my fav. "
11 pets, is anyone else scared? 9 dogs, Lord help them all.
And she breeds all nine of them?!
That's 3 breeds and a mutt, and you are breeding them all?! A responsible breeder never breeds that many different breeds. The most I've seen a responsible breeder specialize in is two breeds, and I think that even two is kind of pushing it. I'd rather have a breeder that focuses on one breed, and wants to better that one breed.
Jeez.
I have one more comment and I'll never check this thread again; it's sickening to read this child's posts, both because of their content and her spelling
If they really have 9 dogs, are they all going through endless pregnancies, or only the poodle because the puppies can bring the most money? In any case, they are utterly irresponsible people who should be banned from having dogs forever.:mad:
Since we already read that nothing we say will change her mind, because she knows everything there is to know, I think it's time to close the subject instead of giving her another chance to make our blood boil. The only thing left to do is pray for those poor, abused dogs and hope that, somehow, they will be liberated from their abusers.
I agree, Alicia.
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I am wondering what the hell is wrong with this person! Like CamCamPup33 said, do we really want this person on our board? This is so wrong, and I feel so bad for Crikit, not leaving out the other that she had bred! If she doesn't like what we are saying, why is she coming back?! She can stick up for herself all she wants, but we know that she is not even CLOSE to be a resposible breeder!!!!!!!!! I agree she is probably younger than 14, and even if she is 14, she obviously knows NOTHING about breeding. GOD THIS IS MAKING ME MAD!!!!!!! She's got me going now!:mad: I am really apalled by this... 6 litters for a 3 1/2 year old dog??? I call it abuse, and its not right! What do you guys think?
Yeah, I agree with you Amber. I don’t want this person on our site causing all this turmoil by stating things that she knows will infuriate us. I fear that may be her whole objective, just to p*ss us off.Quote:
Originally posted by CamCamPup33
Im gonna ask a question here.. how many of us really want this person on the board still? i dont.. how many people want this person to stay so when her dog is in bad shape we can say i told u so and feel bad for the dog? i do.. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: immature little kids..:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
[Godspeed Cricket. Too bad you will live an unhappy life and most likely die prematurely. I for one would rather be dead than give birth twice a year. I hope that someone reports your abuse and finds you a loving home that will spay you and take real care of you and actually love you, not just your ability to have puppies and give bittersweetness to the world. [/B][/QUOTE]
Ditto!!! Cricket, I will pray that your suffering will soon end.
Well said everyone~!!!
From reading all this....I can tell she has some MAJOR problems. Makes you want to go n' save Criket right now....poor lil' baby..:(
As to where MY dogs came from....I went to RESONSIBLE breeders n' RESCUED!!! Unlike you......damn Puppy Mill IDIOT:mad: :mad: