My family could live off our pantry for weeks...
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My family could live off our pantry for weeks...
On September 1, 1923 an earthquake hit Yokohama, Japan. It registered just 7 on the Richter scale, but caused immense damage.
Here is a blog from the NY Times about that quake. 145,000 people died back then.
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Originally Posted by ChrisH
That report is from the beginning of February.
I should have written "The BBC report quoted is from the beginning of February."Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12331811
But that assumes you could get to your pantry ... and many of these people's whole houses are in rubble.Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
I think most New Englanders would live off their pantry supplies for at least a week, but that doesn't stop everyone from running to the store every time a big storm is forecast!
Oh I know Karen and didn't mean to sound unsypathetic...just saying I have tons of food on hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
My pantry is very well stocked also, but most is with food that has to be cooked too, other than canned items, so it wouldn't last all that long.
Spaghetti, macaroni, noodles, rice, cake mixes, dry soup mix, bisquick, pudding mix, jello, etc. etc - all in there, but not edible as is without further preparation - and all of those require water or milk. :(
I always have some dry milk powder on hand, just in case, and we always have some gallon jugs of water on hand. I like milk with my cereal or oatmeal too much, so in desperation, I can resort to that!Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I feel so sad for the Japanese people, such a hard thing they are going through, and the aftershocks must feel like adding insult to injury. I have no doubt many of the children will have nightmares for years to come because of this. I do not trust anything they are reporting about the nuclear reactor situation, seeing as they say one thing and then another that contradicts the first, but that whole thing is just added stress of the already-beleaguered people.
Its heartbreaking, especially seeing the very young and the very old without a place to call home.
There has been another explosion at nuclear reactor 2. That's the one they have been really worried about. :(
Can the news media please go back to investigating then reporting?
Too much sensationalism, too little fact.
The earthquake in Japan and the previous one in New Zealand weren't even 3 weeks apart. I heard on the news that geologists are still recording aftershocks in Japan. In the newspaper yesterday it said that ocean waves from British Columbia to California were measured as an effect of the earthquake and tsunami all the way in Japan. Yikes.
Is Japan considered a densely populated country? Or maybe just some of their major cities are. The Amazing Race competitors were there last week and there were lots of people and cars in the streets. When I've seen pictures they often show high rise buildings and talk about the amount of time the Japanese people spend commuting, either by car or public transportation.
Im comparing loss of life from one natural disaster to another, that is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
The Japanese are very resilient, they have proven that over and over again. Because of this there has been so little loss of life compared to their population. After WW2 they rebuilt to where they where even with the restrictions the Allies put on them.
So again I may have been wrong about this being a world changing event. Japan could rebuild to be even more technologically advanced then they where before the earthquake.
Yeah, I have to go with that to. This won't be like the Katrina aftermath.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
The Japs will fix it all up in no time.
Not good news....
Reactor No.2 blew this morning.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml
Today in the assembly, our Head Mistress asked us what special thing we noticed on TV in the news about the Japanese, and she told us that nobody panicked because its thee worst thing during earthquakes and all these natural disasters. When the earthquake came, before all that, they had been practicing and taking its exercises daily and on a routine and during the earthquake, people in supermarkets stood against to the shelves and later when they were getting food from the supermarkets, everybody stood in lines and did not break the lines and then she asked all the girls "Is there an earthquake coming in the breaktime" :p:p lol, some girls are usually breaking the lines and all that during break in front of the canteen :p:D We studied waves in the Science Period and our teacher also talked to us about this earthquake and the earthquake in 2005 in Pakistan. :eek::eek:
If there is any safe land left to build on. Okay - that's an exaggeration - but this whole mess with the nuclear reactors~~~~~well, it just keeps getting worse!Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
Hey, you've got your very own nuclear reactors built straddling the San Andreas Fault to.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
List of earthquakes in Asia over the past 7 days.
As you can see........most are in and around Japan.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquak...n/Asia_eqs.php
Shakemap of affected area in Japan.
1th March 2011....9.0 Magnitude.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquak...hake/c0001xgp/
The latest from my friend in Japan is that the town she is in is ebing evacuated (20 miles from the Reactors). The group she is with (She is there teaching English) will be moved to Tokyo and then flown back to the states.
And that's why I'm glad I live 3000 miles to the east of it! When Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania had their partial meltdown, that was even too close to me. A lot of my ex's relatives lived close enough to have to be evacuated.Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
I live just across the Delaware Bay from the Salem Nuclear Power Plant in New Jersey, and can see the condensation from the cooling towers from my house. Hopefully that place never blows. I'm close enough to be in trouble.
Trouble is, wind can carry the radiation half way around the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
But what can we do ??? We need the power they create. :confused:
Before and after pics of the devastation. :(
2 X pages
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/ja...eforeafter.htm
Yesterday, the German government made a decision re. our nuclear power plants. Only last fall, they extended the lifespans of our reactors (which our previous government had once decided to shut down), now the Merkel government decided to cancel the lifespan extensions. And 7 reactors, the oldest ones, will be shut down in the near future:
German media roundup: Merkel's nuclear U-turn
Did any of you ever read the book, or see the movie, On the Beach? Book written by Nevil Shute. Movie with Fred Astaire, Ava Gardner, Gregory Peck.
Read the book and did a report on it in h.s., saw the original movie, saw the made for t.v. movie, and a few years ago, bought the DVD of the original movie. It's sad and sobering, yet one of my favorite movies of all time. Time to watch it again I think. I can never hear the song "Waltzing Matilda" without thinking of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace
I think it's one of those "must see" movies that everyone should see at least once. It will make you think.........
??? That was true about the nuclear reactor not just a rumor. :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
We have Wolf Creek here in Kansas. It's built to take winds of up to 300 mph but would not fair well in an earthquake they say. :love:
And that's why the world needs to do more in the way of clean energy. We have the sun and the wind too, yet so little has been done with solar and wind power - and there it is - an endless source that couldn't be cleaner.Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
That's what we're doing in Germany right now. Looks like during the next years (or probably decades), there will be a complete switch to renewable energies. However, this will have its price. Prices for electricity are already ridiculously high here, and they will even rise after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
What ever happened to solar power or wind power? We hardly ever hear them mentioned around here any more. I'd think they would be lots better than atomic power as far as the danger factor. :love:
Minnesota & Iowa are putting up wind generators like they are going out of style. Iowa senate was to vote on atomic power use in the state but have had a good look at what can happen & had have had a change of mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
Yes - what I just said also.........:DQuote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
Heard this a.m. that the quake was upgraded to a 9.0 too - 1.5 times stronger than originally reported as an 8.9
Yes, they are having issue with the reactors.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
No, this isn't going to end the world.
Cut back on the hype, I know, science is booorrring, but guess what? THe world relies on science. Sci-Fi authors have discussed solar powersats in space for decades, and you can get a much higher energy density doing that. So what do we do? Cut back on funding NASA as it's all a boondoggle.
Tidal, wind and solar are all decent supplements, but the energy densities are low, and NIMBY groups prevent them from being used. (Now the wind farms up here in NY are under court challenge.......again)
This is going to be spun up in the press to become a luddite movement.......the proof in is Germany's reaction.
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Originally Posted by Bonny
Hey Bonny....
In your neck of the woods, and all of Tornado Alley, wind power would be all that's ever needed!
Okay - bad joke. Just a feeble attempt to lighten things up a bit. :eek::p:D
A Tornado would really get those blades a moving.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Talking of different forms of energy, Wrexham County Borough Council, my landlord, has had a solar panels plan under consideration for a while and a final decision was made last month.
18 February 2011
Council gives the go-ahead for Solar PV Panels in Wrexham Homes
Wrexham Council's Executive Board gave the go-ahead this week to install Solar PV [photovoltaic] panels onto the roofs of 3000 Council houses across Wrexham.
(PV) technology converts daylight into electricity and provides clean, emission free energy from a sustainable source which will help to reduce the Council’s carbon footprint.
The exciting and ambitious project will save approximately 3000 tonnes of CO2 each year. This is equivalent to taking 1000 cars off the road for 1 year.
An added benefit to the project is that those tenants who will be having PV panels installed onto their properties will see a reduction in their electricity bills (between £100 - £300 per year), whilst the Council will also receive a substantial income via the newly introduced Government backed Feed In Tariff Scheme.
The project is expected to be completed by March 2013, with the first of the installations hopefully commencing this summer. Officers will now continue to work on and finalise the project with further details expected to be released soon.
The main source of funding for the project will be through borrowing and the Welsh Assembly Government's PV Procurement framework will be used in order to help the Council find the best supplier for the purchase and installation of the panels.
I have not heard whether my home is to be one of those houses but I'd be more than happy if it were.
Yep, and add all the hot air from all the politicians and earth could fly away for years. :D :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonny
Political hot air is EPA regulated, and can't be used for industrial purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
It's just too toxic. :p
Interesting to see that article about solar. The local school district is installing solar panels at all our schools to cut down on energy costs, as well as insulating the buildings (What a concept.....insulation in upstate NY?), installing new HVAC systems, and replacing the plate glass windows with low E.
It was a bear of a budget, but I voted for it because of long term savings.
The EQ in Japan was supposed to have lasted 5 minutes.
THAT was a 9.0 shaker
I have been thru three 6.0 and above quakes that lasted about 20-30 seconds? The largest was 6.8.
The people in Japan have been having AFTERSHOCKS that are 6.0 and above.
I just cannot imagine going thru crap like that.
I would seriously think about killing myself.:eek::confused::(
Vermont Yankee is a General Electric boiling water reactor (BWR) type nuclear power plant currently owned by Entergy. It is located in the town of Vernon, Vermont and generates 620 megawatts (MWe) of electricity. The plant began commercial operations in 1972. It provided Vermont with nearly three-fourths (73%)[1] of its electrical generating capacity[2] prior to the 2006 uprate and meets 35% of the overall energy requirements of the state.[3]
In February 2010, the Vermont Senate voted 26 to 4 against re-licensing of the Vermont Yankee Nuclear Plant after 2012, citing radioactive tritium leaks, misstatements in testimony by plant officials, a cooling tower collapse in 2007, and other problems.[4] There is an absence of a clear plan to replace the electricity generated by the plant, which has caused concern among some businesses in Vermont.[5]
Governor Peter Shumlin is a prominent opponent of the Vermont Yankee and two days after Shumlin was elected in November 2010, Entergy put the plant up for sale.[6]
.............There is great concern about the de-commissioning of the plant and who will pay for it. There are some folks, mostly Republicans sorry to say, thinking that keeping this plant alive will benefit Vermonters. It certainly has had it's problems for the past few years and I hope the plant gets shut down for good. Many folks are doing the wind energy where possible. I have two friends with wind thingies on their property/homes and they put their excess back, into the grid. It would be nice if we could all have access to solar/wind energy systems. One would think our governments would want to make it soooooooooo cheap for us that we couldn't resist.