Damn !!! What can we label that as ???? Do they have a word in Arabic that equals "Racist" ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonny
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Damn !!! What can we label that as ???? Do they have a word in Arabic that equals "Racist" ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonny
If it makes anyone feel better?
The 100 million dollar project has a total of 28,500 dollars promised so far.
They do not have an architect or any of the other support people needed to START the project.
Now? I really hope the do build it because some of us are going to look back at this thread in a fews months and laugh?;)
Richard, Your good friend Nancy P. will come up with the rest of the money. Nancy will dig her heels in & go for it. :eek:
Is she going to "gin it up"?:D;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonny
the saddest part, she speaks like she believes it. She's like the teetering g-ma that people leave alone because if you say something to her the blood pressure goes and she starts to scream at you?:eek:
What's really amusing about this whole issue is that voters in Manhattan, who would be the ones living next to the mosque, are in favor of it, according to a Qiuinnipiac University poll:
Opinions about the proposed mosque range from 46 - 36 percent support among Manhattan voters
What's driving the controversy? Ad revenue for the Media. Yet another created crisis pouring advertising money into their coffers.
Totally agreed and thanks for putting that so eloquently.Quote:
Originally Posted by smokey the elder
What I find disturbing is the phrase I've seen a few times, 'between Islam and America', implying them as separate. Surely by that very first amendment afore mentioned, that should not be the case.
It's a classic case of a lack of education in many respects - I often find that people who seem to know so much about the cruelties and injustices of Islam don't know any people of that faith who might be able to give them a new perspective.
And as for a source about Muslims being a peace-loving people, go to an Arabic country, and see how many greet you with 'salam'.
Well, good ole Nancy P wants everyone who opposes the building of the mosque to be investigated. Why not investigate where they are getting the money to build that thing? I've heard they don't have enough money to even start it yet. I bet there will be some, um, donations from other countries flooding in.
By the way, I also heard there has been a Christian church trying to get permision to build near that area since 9/11. They keep getting denied. :love:
Nancy P has got to be the funniest person in Cah Lee Fuh Nee ah.
Again, she is a blithering idiot who seems to have spent way too much time
trying to keep up with the 'boys'. She has talked about people with conspiracy theories before.
Her interviews become more and more bizarre as time goes on.
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The problem with Islam is that there is no "Head" Iman, Well, I guess there really is one.
Ask David Bowie......;););););)
There is no one 'voice of reason'. every faction has their own way of looking at the religion and that shows when there are topics related to Islam.
No one can speak out about the IDIOTS who have hijacked the religion.
Everyone, as noted before, has an opinion and a rear end.
It's finding out which side is making the noise and trying to figure out if it makes sense.
There have not been enough people to speak out against a religion and the people that choose to hijack it.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL,
Go to a border town here in the U.S. and all the people are really friendly and tell you "Vaya Con Dios". It's the guys that are running the drugs,kidnapping and executing people that are the heathens, Pay no attention to them and you will be o.k.
It's not the natives, it's being naive.
My rose colored glasses are really cheap, I'd hate to invest a ton of money in a pair and lose them while being bound and gagged by some Narcoterrorist while I am on vacation in THEIR backyard.:rolleyes:
I agree 100% on the right to worship as one chooses. I also could care less about them building a mosque where they want to. Its just a building. The church is the people, not the building. What I care about is how the people of a certain church behave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Z
But on a similar line of thought... Where I see the trouble happening is when people of a certain religious group want a set of laws that are different from the country they choose to live in. I am not 100% up to speed on what is going on in the UK with this right now... But I do recall seeing something about a judge allowing 'certain aspects' of sharia law to apply to muslim groups in the UK. Any comment on that Zara?
Not picking on you or anything, I just know you have a soild brain up there and you live in the UK. :)
I'll be honest and say I wasn't aware of that case and so I looked it up. I must say I'm quite surprised at Lord Phil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puckstop31
Personally, I don't think much of what was suggested would ever get off the ground, apparently we do have a Sharia Council (who knew? :p) but I've never heard of their involvement in anything. We have Equal Rights Opportunities groups that extend to ridiculous levels over here and by gawd would they kick up a stink.
The United Kingdom of Great Softies hate offending anyone and I can see far too many pitfalls for the PC Brigade to pursue that one. Particularly in our current political climate, we have more pressing matters.
My high school was slap-bang in the middle of an Islamic community and after being fortunate enough to speak with the MP and former Justice Secretary Jack Straw, I discovered a few interesting things about how 'strict' Islamic communities have been in that area in former years. Going back 20, 30 years perhaps, the community was far more Westernised, now? Communities are rekindling some of the traditional Islamic ways of living. It has A LOT to do with Western presence in the Middle East, but that's probably a story best saved for another time since it'll cause no end of trouble here.
I agree that a country's laws imposed by those we chose to elect should be abided by everyone within its shores regardless of their personal upbringings and background and opinions. I don't believe that the problem of unruly ethnics over here is half as bad as some of our propaganda makes out. There'll always be another hate preacher no matter how many times we chuck the last one out, but as for 'Islamic communities being slowly reeled in', as I once read in one paper? Piffle.
As is often the case in many aspects of life, there's always some nutjob who ruins it for everyone. ;)
Eh, OK.Quote:
LOLOLOLOLOLOL,
Go to a border town here in the U.S. and all the people are really friendly and tell you "Vaya Con Dios". It's the guys that are running the drugs,kidnapping and executing people that are the heathens, Pay no attention to them and you will be o.k.
It's not the natives, it's being naive.
My rose colored glasses are really cheap, I'd hate to invest a ton of money in a pair and lose them while being bound and gagged by some Narcoterrorist while I am on vacation in THEIR backyard.:rolleyes:
Fortunately, then, naïveté has allowed me get out and to ask the people, whom the news in my country spoonfeeds me negativity about, what their take on it all is, rather than relying on the belief that I know everything about everybody cos-I-saws-it-ons-the-tv.
I've been called a crazy white girl once, I grant you, but as yet, I've not been 'terrorised'. :p :rolleyes:
In a nutshell, that is my point on education, which I posted in another thread.
New York is a long way from El Lay so I really should not have a problem with it, but I was thinking about the situation and would like to 'localize' it with a scenario that may be little similar to what is going on with this topic.
Yes, It's a scenario, but hang with the topic? It's morbid curiosity that makes me ask and I just want to see if it makes anyone think differently?
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Remember, this is a "what if?"
Who are you? You are married with two kids of your own, you SO has brought her two into the family - they are two boys and two girls from 5-14.
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The first problem?
During a serious family meeting you are told that one of your relatives has molested another family member. Because of the time lapse, there is no way to make this person responsible for what they did. When the family member is confronted with the story, they begin to yell, scream and accuse you of lying and not taking any responsibility for their supposed actions. The healing begins but everyone has circled the wagons for whichever side you are on, and there is definite animosity between the two.
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You live in a neighborhood for years and know ALL the neighbors.
An empty lot across the street is being developed into a complex with six apartments in it. When you run into the neighbor who owns the land you
chat and find out that he has sold it to a group that is doing the building.
You meet the NEW owner and he/they tell you that four of the units will be used as 'monthly rentals' to people who are a little down on their luck.
The building is finished and you begin to suspect the rentals are being used by men and women who are fresh out of prison/jail as temp shelters until they get on their feet. Your gut is correct and later find out that there are some child molesters in the mix in addition to the parolees.
What do you do?
Are you satisfied that they have paid their dues to society and now have the right to live where they want?
Are you comfortable with your children playing in the street or your front yard?
Are you trusting that your local PD can and will be there to protect you and your family should you need them?
Are you mad that the landlord lied to you about renting these units monthly to people that may fall back into their life of crime?
Are you comfortable with the laws that will allow CMs to live in the same area with your family?
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I know it's a stretch between a scenario and the mosque/community center in NY, I do understand the laws/rules and the right to worship in the U.S.
I just want to see if that scenario would make anyone on the board see why the New Yorkers might be a little skittish, no matter how this CC/mosque presented to them.
Take a minute and talk amongst yourselves?;)
http://www.newser.com/story/98536/lo...ro-mosque.html
Now, If Ginger, Cinnamon, Jade, Diamond, Montana, Shiloh, Silk, Red, Chanel and Lexus say that they are o.k. with it?:eek::D;)
Are they still taking dollar notes tucked into their garters ??? Or has it risen to 20 dollar notes now ???? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
So....exactly where did you source that information ??? The media ??? Or did you personally count the votes ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Quinnipiac University polling data, which is easily available online.Quote:
So....exactly where did you source that information ??? The media ??? Or did you personally count the votes ???
The comment "Quinnipiac University Poll" comment should have been a hint..........
Ok, so it's second or third hand information already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
What I'm saying is....you believe what someone else has written.
What, you do not believe poll results ever? Maybe you have never heard of Quinnipiac University, but it's a well-known and reputable school ...
1) Quinnipiac publishes their raw data.
2) They have a very, very good reputation for their political polling and analysis.
Everything you read is something someone else has written, unless you're reading your own writing, which would be pretty damned boring after a while.
Listen up LH.
You can read and trust and believe whatever you like.
And so can I.
Whatever I post, you don't agree with anyway. And I end up being branded a racist, hateful and a bigot, and other words that are invented because I don't agree with some peoples opinions......k ????
So if you want to argue about politics, religion, racism, building permits or mowing the lawn.....go argue with someone else.
Really.....I'm not interested any more.
For someone who's not interested you certainly make a lot of posts about US politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
If you're not interested.........
Don't POST!
Interested or not....I have that right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
You also have the right NOT to read my posts.
Do you agree to disagree with this to ????
I thought you didnt believe in rights?Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
EDIT: Or are you too used to being the one having the Right because you have the gun? Is that why you so dislike Americans, because we have the Right to defend ourselves from the Tyrannical advance of our Government?
I thought you didnt believe in rights?
????????? Have I ever said that ???
"Or are you too used to being the one having the Right because you have the gun?"
I have a gun ????
"Is that why you so dislike Americans ???"
I dislike Americans ???
Can I have your sources please ?????
Allow me to respond and to correct your posting ineptitude in the same post.
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Originally Posted by blue
You have, you said...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wombatlove
Nuff said.Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
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Originally Posted by blue
What kind of bad a$$ soldier would you have been without a firearm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wombatlove
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Originally Posted by blue
You havent shown us any love, in fact you disrespect us more often then not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wombatlove
Search your own posts. Those are my sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wombatlove
"Allow me to respond and to correct your posting ineptitude in the same post."
Thankyou Blue, I'm forever in your debt. I'm so impressed with your skillful handling of forum messages, must have taken years for you to master that.
"What kind of bad a$$ soldier would you have been without a firearm?"
Am I a bad a$$ soldier ???? Or is that just another of your assumptions ???
(Assuming seems to be your forte)
"You havent shown us any love, in fact you disrespect us more often then not."
(Allow me to correct your spelling.....THAN, not THEN. Haven't, not havent.)
Who is US ???? I hope US doesn't include you Blue.....LOLOLOL.
I'm sure there are a great deal of posts that I have made to others that would fit that category. But you ??? Nawww...I'm not really into that sort of thing....sorry.
Disrespect ???? Where ??? Where have I disrespected you or yours ???
Show me.
All I have done is comment on your Bill of Rights.
What's wrong ???? Can't you handle criticism of your system ??? Do you really think your system is above that ??? I believe YOU think you are above that.
I have an opinion, I have the right to post my opinion, and if you don't like that, then tough luck for you. There's no disrespect for Americans.
"Search your own posts. Those are my sources."
Then I don't believe you have any sources. I know exactly what I have written in my posts, and furthermore, I have many many American friends both on this forum and off it.
I'm asking you again....."What is the source you have used to accuse me of not liking Americans ??"
Boy is THIS a heated thread!! I will only say that I am totally against a Mosque near GZ. It shows total disrespect for all the people killed in the 911 tragedy. Sort of like flipping the victims off. NYC is a HUGE place. Surely they can find some place AWAY from GZ.
moosmom, I agree with you 100% ;):):D
They should poll all of America. The other night Tom Brokaw mentioned 67% against it. He is part of our so called lying the media go figure?!?!?!
I agree with you Donna. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by moosmom
Make sure they do Alaska....there's one vote there that they could add to the list. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bonny
Don't forget Hawaii & possibly Puerto Rico.
Why should they poll all of America?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonny
Should they poll all of America when they want to build an amusement park near Gettysburg?
Should they poll all of America if they want to put a CVS in Faneuil Hall?
It's a local decision handled by a local body. There's no need for a national poll.
I agree - poll all of America. The 9/11 was an attack on all Americans, whether they lived anywhere near Ground Zero or not. Why shouldn't all Americans that were outraged by the attack, not be outraged by the desire to build that mosque where is planned. IMO - it's a slap in the face to everyone. There are plenty of other mosques in NYC, why another, and why at that particular location? I for one, truly hope, by some miracle, that it is never built there.
Proof that the Aussies do hate America.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=entnews
We were all attacked on September 11th not just New York City. Is New York still a part of the Union of States? The Mosque is a slap in the face a dishonor to the people that died & to those that are still living. Yes, we should all be able to be part of a poll to show how Americans actually are feeling about this & maybe they will show some respect & the mosque can be built someplace else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
http://islam.about.com/blvictims.htm
Muslim Victims of September 11th Attack
Inna li-lahi wa inna li-layhi raja'un.
From Allah we come, and to Him is our return.
Thousands of innocent lives were lost on September 11, 2001, and our hearts and prayers go out to their families and loved ones. For several hundred of the victims of 9/11, grief and sorrow has been compounded by constant suspicion, bias, hatred, and attacks on the faith they hold dear.
Imagine being the family of Salman Hamdani. The 23-year-old New York City police cadet was a part-time ambulance driver, incoming medical student, and devout Muslim. When he disappeared on September 11, law enforcement officials came to his family, seeking him for questioning in relation to the terrorist attacks. They allegedly believed he was somehow involved. His whereabouts were undetermined for over six months, until his remains were finally identified. He was found near the North Tower, with his EMT medical bag beside him, presumably doing everything he could to help those in need. His family could finally rest, knowing that he died the hero they always knew him to be.
Or imagine being Baraheen Ashrafi, nine months pregnant with her second child. Her husband, Mohammad Chowdhury, was a waiter at Windows of the World restaurant, on the top floors of Tower One. The morning of September 11, they prayed salaat-l-fajr (the pre-dawn prayer) together, and he went off to work. She never saw him again. Their son, Farqad, was born 48 hours after the attacks -- one of the first 9/11 orphans to be born. In an interview with CTV Canada, she relates that in the months to follow, she mourned for her husband and endured the hostility of some ignorant people around her. "When they saw me ... I'm wearing a scarf. There is a hate look."
Or consider Rahma Salie, a passenger on American Airlines #11 that crashed into the North Tower. Rahma, a Muslim of Sri Lankan origin, was traveling with her husband Michael (a convert to Islam) to attend a friend's wedding in California. Rahma was 7 months pregnant with their first child. According to the Independent UK (October 11, 2001), Rahma's name was initially put on an FBI watch list, because her "Muslim-sounding" name was on the passenger manifest, and her travel patterns were similar to those of the hijackers (she was a computer consultant living in Boston). Although her name was eventually removed from the list, several of her family members were barred from taking flights to her memorial service. Her mother, Haleema, said, "I would like everyone to know that she was a Muslim, she is a Muslim and we are victims too, of this tragic incident.”
Partial List of Muslim 9/11 Victims:
Note: This list is as yet incomplete and unconfirmed. It has been compiled from the Islamic Circle of North America, the Newsday victims database, and reports from other major news organizations. The victims' ages, employers, or other personal information is included when available, along with links to further information or photos.
Samad Afridi
Ashraf Ahmad
Shabbir Ahmad (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children)
Umar Ahmad
Azam Ahsan
Ahmed Ali
Tariq Amanullah (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA website team member; leaves wife and 2 children)
Touri Bolourchi (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran)
Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury
Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Mohammad S. Chowdhury (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack)
Jamal Legesse Desantis
Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
SaleemUllah Farooqi
Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes)
Osman Gani
Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old)
Salman Hamdani (NYPD Cadet)
Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom)
Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan)
Nabid Hossain
Shahzad Hussain
Talat Hussain
Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan)
Yasmeen Jamal
Mohammed Jawarta (MAS security)
Arslan Khan Khakwani
Asim Khan
Ataullah Khan
Ayub Khan
Qasim Ali Khan
Sarah Khan (32 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Taimour Khan (29 years old; Karr Futures)
Yasmeen Khan
Zahida Khan
Badruddin Lakhani
Omar Malick
Nurul Hoque Miah (36 years old)
Mubarak Mohammad (23 years old)
Boyie Mohammed (Carr Futures)
Raza Mujtaba
Omar Namoos
Mujeb Qazi
Tarranum Rahim
Ehtesham U. Raja (28 years old)
Ameenia Rasool (33 years old)
Naveed Rehman
Yusuf Saad
Rahma Salie & unborn child (28 years old; American Airlines #11; wife of Michael Theodoridis; 7 months pregnant)
Shoman Samad
Asad Samir
Khalid Shahid (25 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald; engaged to be married in November)
Mohammed Shajahan (44 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
Naseema Simjee (Franklin Resources Inc.'s Fiduciary Trust)
Jamil Swaati
Sanober Syed
Robert Elias Talhami (40 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Michael Theodoridis (32 years old; American Airlines #11; husband of Rahma Salie)
W. Wahid
The whole article is well worth reading.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/america09.htm
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There are 5 million to 7 million Muslims in the United States. They make up between 10,000 and 20,000 members of the American military.
There are several mosques within a 10 block radius of ground zero. Should they be shuttered?
Not at all, and they were probably there before 9/11. The people who are opposed to the location of a new one, are simply offended by the implication. It's as tho the Muslims are thumbing their nose at the masses, and showing the world, that they can get away with anything in any country that they please, even the mighty U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
So build another mosque if you must - just not in this sensitive location. An ecumenical gathering place would be more welcomed, than any mosque, church, temple, synagogue, or whatever.
Candace - thank you for your posts, #116 and 117.
I think we need reminding that people of all faiths were greatly impacted by 911.